do whit eling down the field is so important. i frankly didn't hear enough candidates really drawing a contrast with the principals of the democratic party last night versus the policies of the trump administration. i think that her simple message of basically saying, hey, guys, we need to focus on donald trump as opposed to having these interparty squabbles think there that makes a lot of sense. >> one of the most interesting things auld always about the debates for me is how wrong we turn out to be when we say what we think is going to happen. but here's one thing that i will say. and that is, jason, that before the debates, early in this campaign we heard a lot of people saying, well -- before the first debate. >> right. >> long before the first vote was cast, maybe kamala harris could be the vp. maybe elizabeth warren could be the vp. those two women arguably won those two debates. >> right. >> and while that doesn't necessarily mean they're going