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Civil war brewing . Our deputy Political Editor, tom hannood there for us. An audacious proposal here in manchester. Might the Prime Minister be taking the largest spender decision of his tenure in office, potentially tens of billions of pounds of Rail Infrastructure to hang in the balance, although at least one conservative mayor andy street, is not happy. Ill have the is not happy. Ill have the latest. Latest. The home secretary will also be taking to the podium today with everything from policing to migration on the agenda. And well be speaking to the justice secretary later this hour. Secretary later this hour. Weather forecast courtesy of alex deakin this morning. Alex deakin this morning. A bit of a wet start in places this morning, but most of us will have a bright and breezy day. Therell be some sunshine. There will also be a fair few showers. Join me later for a full forecast and sport courtesy of paul coyte. How about this , chelsea have how about this, chelsea have won a game of football. Is that. Is that strong . Is that too strong . Luke donald could stay on as ryder cup captain and also Manchester City lose a legend. They do. They do. They do indeed. And as always, you can join in any of our discussions, any of our debates, any of our opinions, any memories of francis lee. Any memories of francis lee. What about him and Norman Hunter . Oh isabel, one of the greatest tear ups. You would not you would not believe this. It you would not believe this. It was like a boxing match. And it was like a boxing match. And it was on right after it. It just went on, did it not . And on and arms were swinging at each other around pitch, punching , around the pitch, punching, kicking. It was a happy days of football, kicking. It was a happy days of foothats what it was. The happy thats what it was. The happy days football. You can have a days of football. You can have a good fight the pitch and good fight on the pitch and nobody play. Nobody can play. Youd still be called and youd still be called a legend. Absolutely. Absolutely. Views the gbnews. Com or gb views the gbnews. Com or you us at. Gb news. You can tweet us at. Gb news. Okay so the Health Secretary wants to push back against what he calls wokery in the National Health service in an interview for the telegraph , Steve Barclay for the telegraph, Steve Barclay revealed that he will announce in his speech at the conservative Party Conference later that transgender women will be banned from female wards. In the interview, he also said we need a common sense approach to sex and equality issues in the nhs thats led to womens rights being sidelined. Well lets go to tom hannood there at the conference for us this morning and hes been following events. Good morning, tom. Good morning, tom. Good morning, tom. Good morning. Yes, it seems like the Health Secretary is leaning into this refresh, this defeat stance with regard to the agenda that the government is pushing fonnard. No longer are we seeing a steady ship approach. And now we are seeing attack attack to being a change candidate for the next election. And weve already seen this with regards to rolling back some of those dates for net zero targets. Weve heard rumours about tax and spend and what might change before the next election. But now in the pages of the telegraph this morning , of the telegraph this morning, the Health Secretary announced thing what he will say in his speech with regard to transgender issues and indeed transgender issues and indeed transgender women specifically on female wards within the nhs. Critics of the Health Secretary, critics of the conservative party would say why is he donating quite so much time in his speech towards such a marginal issue . Of course, we dont know quite how many transgender women seek care on female wards within the nhs, but its hardly going to be a huge number. But of course what the government would say in response to that is that there are some huge concerns of some groups. Huge concerns of some groups. The group sex matters is quoted , of course the telegraph , of course by the telegraph this morning saying that this is timely and a rationalisation of policy. No doubt it will be a talking point throughout the day here and therell be very strong views on either side. But potentially this is what number 10 and indeed the Health Secretary wants, that these wedge issues, if you like , are wedge issues, if you like, are being found between the conservative party and the labour party , creating clear labour party, creating clear blue water between those two parties in what is likely to be the next 12 months of greater election campaigning. Certainly a unifying issue, you could argue, within the party, unlike perhaps tax or or how to achieve growth and look, it certainly feels as an observer from here in london, that the governments kind of lost control of the agenda of the narrative around the whole conference. And you look at hs2, i mean, this has been a huberi now for a couple of weeks and almost overshadowing the chancellors speech yesterday. And were now led to believe that it will be announced in the Prime Ministers speech tomorrow , tomorrow. So hes not going to announce anything today. Tom, you think . Anything today. Tom, you think . No , its very unlikely hell no, its very unlikely hell announce something today, although, to be honest, talking to people in and around the conservative party, seems conservative party, it seems that is a pretty dead set that this is a pretty dead set on decision despite that official line from number 10, which is that no decisions have been made. It does that been made. It does seem that behind scenes, the decision behind the scenes, the decision very much been made. But we very much has been made. But we are just waiting for the Prime Ministers big on ministers big speech on wednesday for that announcement to be made. So you get this to be made. So you get this peculiar dance of cabinet ministers and those in and around the government sort of raising an eyebrow , but saying raising an eyebrow, but saying no decisions have been taken. We need look at the cost benefit need to look at the cost benefit analysis of this project and it is fair to say that indeed the conservative party has been overseeing a spiralling of costs in this project. Originally proposed pected to be around £3,032 billion, now projected to be over £100 billion. Its clear to see why indeed the why the Prime Minister is looking at this extra leg. But of course it this extra leg. But of course it has not been without controversy. Lets have a little listen. I agree that weve been to london centric in the past, and thats why we have a Long Term Plan for levelling up. So with lots of different. So you think that hs2 should go to manchester then . Well, i think levelling up involves doing more things. Involves doing many more things. Your position on give us your position on that. It go to manchester . Well, i think we need make well, i think we need to make sure were getting absolute sure that were getting absolute value sure that were getting absolute val|come you must be able to come on. You must be able to have an opinion on whether it should go to manchester or not. I absolutely think most i absolutely think the most important thing is making sure that we take that when we level up, we take into account all of the things that to do. That we need to do. So weve shifted arts council funding, but should to funding, but should it go to Manchester Research and development well, were Development Funding . Well, were going have going to have to. Should it not . Should should it not . Will it should it every it have to look at every conceivable pound we spend conceivable pound that we spend on transport in order to make sure get value for sure that we get value for money . An answer to the money . Not an answer to the question whether you think it should manchester or an should go to manchester or an and there a bit of a flavour of what cabinet ministers have been struggling communicate over struggling to communicate over the days here in manchester. This peculiar Holding Pattern over or not a railway over whether or not a railway will be coming to this very city, perhaps not the best communication strategy for the party over these few days, but after all, we are currently sitting in the Manchester Convention complex, a disused Railway Station that was closed in the 1960s, perhaps that will be referenced by the Prime Minister tomorrow, but it does seem a peculiar decision that this decision that has already likely been taken has just been hanging over this conference for the last three days. Okay, tom, thank you very much. Well, well be keeping a close eye on all developments coming out of manchester. Indeed anyone who pops up, we may indeed talk to them throughout the course of morning. The course of the morning. And weve whos the weve got alex chalk, whos the justice secretary, coming on at around as well. Home around 6 45 as well. The home secretary will to the stage secretary will take to the stage today shes under mounting today as shes under mounting pressure to deal with some of the countrys biggest issues. And they are declining. And they are declining. Police numbers rising crime rates and the increasing numbers of illegal immigrants. So quite an in tray. Well , gb news an in tray. Well, gb news pip tomson has more. Home secretary Suella Braverman will speak at the conservative Party Conference later as the government tries to get to grips with some of the issues affecting the country. It issues affecting the country. It comes as record numbers of Police Officers quit the force a knife. Crime continues to rise as in the year to march , 4668 as in the year to march, 4668 officers left after a voluntary resignation in against a backdrop of 48,204 knife crime offences. Is thats a 5 increase on march last year. Immigration is another challenge. The government hopes to tackle as gb news data reveals that more than 25,000 migrants have crossed the engush migrants have crossed the English Channel so far this year. Something else on the home secretarys agenda is the rather contentious rwanda plan set for a battle at the Supreme Court next week. Speaking in next week. Speaking in washington, dc , Suella Braverman washington, dc, Suella Braverman argued that the 1951 Refugee Convention is too loose and hinted that the government could leave the echr for any attempt to reform. To reform. The Refugee Convention. Will see you smeared as anti refugee. Similar epithets are hurled at anyone who suggests reform of the echr or its court in strasbourg. I reject the notion that a country cannot be expected to respect human rights if it is not signed up to an International Human rights organisation. The home secretary is expected to use her speech in manchester to boost her popularity ratings among the more right wing arm of the party. Ahead of a general election. Many backbenchers fear they could lose so how are we looking at a future tory leader . One wouldnt bet against it. Pip tomson gb news is arguably the toughest job in the country. Look, were joined now by former Scotland Yard detective peter bleksley, regular on the programme. Good morning to you. Programme. Good morning to you. One of big issues that the one of the big issues that the home secretary really has to get a grip of is the crisis in policing. The Police Federation yesterday officer numbers yesterday saying officer numbers are dangerous levels. Now to are at dangerous levels. Now to the will die the stage where people will die as result. The stage where people will die as result. Right. As a result. Right. Well, we had pretty patel yesterday, former home secretary saying number is at record levels. Levels. Well quite frankly, record numbers of Police Officers are leaving the job because they are delusion eyed, disheartened, worn out and very they find that the entire experience of being in policing completely unsatisfied factory. And of course that already has spilt out onto the streets because lets just look at the last 3 or 4 days. For example , a 15 year 4 days. For example, a 15 Year Old Girl loses her life to knife crime in croydon, lives lost in halifax, leeds. And on sunday halifax, leeds. And on sunday night, another teenager in london butchered by savages. On our streets , crime is out of our streets, crime is out of control and knife crime is running rampant. But policing has lost its way and consequently we are all a bit more at risk. More at risk. And yet, peter, as i was saying, priti patel speaking yesterday and she was talking about high shoplifting should be prosecuted and taken more seriously and whatever. And you look at the litany of crimes that youve just recounted there and you think really where are we getting the numbers . There is not so many officers that they can afford to go and check whether someones stolen a mars bar or not. Yes, unfortunately , whats yes, unfortunately, whats happened to policing in the last couple of decades is that its become reactive rather than proactive. And what i mean by proactive. And what i mean by thatis proactive. And what i mean by that is that officers sit in their cars and travel from one 999 call to another , and they do 999 call to another, and they do not patrol the streets that has been surrendered some time ago. And consequently its the criminals who act with impunity , who run, who rule the roost on our streets, and consequently , our streets, and consequently, we have record numbers of shop workers being assaulted. 800 workers being assaulted. 800 a day people being murdered on our streets with knives and machetes in yet again, record numbers. So in yet again, record numbers. So despite what the politicians may espouse, the truth of the matter is we are far less safe than we used to be. The streets need to be made a hostile environment for criminals and thats what the public want. Thats what we need. And policing has, quite frankly, lost its way. And reached and needs to reconnect with the robert peel principles of 200 years ago. And the needs, wishes, desires of the Great British public. Yeah, but as you say, Violent Crime up prosecute is down. And i notice you say politicians. Do you accuse labour of the same things . I mean obviously its labour conference next week. Shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper will be making a speech. Do you have any hope that things will get better there were to be get better if there were to be a Labour Government next year, the politicians politics politicians will play politics with and always do with police and they always do whatever flavour or whatever aspect the political spectrum aspect of the political spectrum they come from. They come from. And policing will always say we want independence from politics. We want operational control over what we do. But the control over what we do. But the bottom line is those Senior Officers who prowl the corridors officers who prowl the corridors of power, they love rubbing shoulders with politicians. And shoulders with politicians. And if you look at the Current Metropolitan Police commissioner when he took his short break away from policing and wrote a lamentable book, he had a former home secretary endorse it on the front cover , which just goes to front cover, which just goes to show what a ludicrous appointment he was because he didnt have any political impartiality. So the didnt have any political impartiality. So the police will impartiality. So the police will say one thing and do something completely different. That is the police leaders. The Senior Police leaders. Meanwhile the courageous men and women on front line get women on the front line get trampled on not only by the villains, but by managers who fail to support them and supervise them properly. They get disheartened. Theyre leaving in droves. Is leaving in droves. Britain is becoming increasingly unsafe. Is that something you agree with folks listening and watching at home . Vaiews gbnews. Uk or you can tweet at gb gb news as well. Peter, leave it there. Thank you very much indeed for your take on things, my friend. As the time creeps up to 615 and if you have just joined us a reminder that here on breakfast on gb news, you can take us with you wherever you go on tv, online and on your radio. And heres a reminder now of our top stories this morning. Trans women will be banned from hospital wards. One from female hospital wards. One of the proposals to be announced by the Health Secretary today in an aim to bring back as he puts it, common sense to the health service. Service. The Prime Minister reportedly intends to axe the multi billion pound hs2 northern leg to manchester, but with many of his own mps and indeed Party Grandees against the idea, could a tory civil war be brewing . And the justice secretary says life means life. He wants to impose tougher sentences to deal with the worst crimes. Well be asking about that live on the programme in half an hours on the programme in half an hours time. Hours time. Well, were going to take a look at the forecast for today. Heres alex deakin. Heres alex deakin. Good morning, im alex deakin. This is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. A bit of a soggy start for parts of east anglia in the southeast. Generally a bright and breezy kind of day with a few showers around. But as i said, a pretty wet start for parts of east anglia. South east, a lot of anglia. The south east, a lot of spray and surface on the spray and surface water on the roads, is all clearing roads, but that is all clearing away. Some away. Then well see some sunshine coming through. Plenty of western of showers coming into western scotland. Quite breezy scotland. Still quite breezy here see a mixture of here and well see a mixture of sunshine and showers for northern england. North wales and Northern Ireland. But much of the south and east will stay dry and bright with some sunshine. Temperatures getting into teens, into the mid to high teens, a fresher feel for compared fresher feel for most compared to still quite to yesterday. Its still quite windy across northern scotland, especially breeze kwasi elsewhere that breeze leads down overnight. Well see a few showers drifting in, but many places will stay clear , places will stay clear, particularly across the south and the east. Later on, though, some more wet and windy weather will in across the will come in across the highlands isles. Highlands and the Western Isles. Temperatures will drop down into single figures in rural spots. So start to wednesday so a fresh start to wednesday for most. A bright start, though, tomorrow morning across much the midlands and eastern much of the midlands and eastern england. Quite a lot of cloud england. Quite a lot of cloud further north and and further north and west. And that rain some problems rain could cause some problems that continues to feed into western and that rain western scotland and that rain really up as go really building up as we go through and starting to through the day and starting to edge further south. So perhaps arriving parts the arriving across parts of the central belt into Northern Ireland. For england and wales, just showers, just a few scattered showers, mostly many central mostly in the west. Many central and eastern parts will be dry and eastern parts will be dry and temperatures and bright and temperatures again high teens. Again in the mid to high teens. Thunderstorms last night, thunder and lightning, very, very frightening , as queen used very frightening, as queen used to say. I do quite like a thunderstorm, but i was a bit nervous well in my nervous yesterday. Well in my kitchen, ive got its a bit like an old barn and its got velux windows up in the roof. And i did start wondering, could you get struck by lightning through the glass . Because i could kind of see it from where im standing kitchen. And could kind of see it from where iwas anding kitchen. And could kind of see it from where iwas trying; kitchen. And could kind of see it from where iwas trying to kitchen. And could kind of see it from where iwas trying to be kitchen. And could kind of see it from where iwas trying to be bravelen. And could kind of see it from where iwas trying to be brave because i was trying to be brave because weve little kitten and weve got a little kitten and the was really loud and the thunder was really loud and i didnt to scare the i didnt want to scare the kitten children, be kitten or the children, to be fair. But i was scared. Yes, i wouldnt like to test the theory whether lightning can go through glass not. Go through glass or not. I suspect. I suspect it does glass suspect. I suspect it does glass conduct lightning. I just thought id be the person that would get struck by lightning through glass. I just would. I would just be me. I would. I would just be me. I would be the exception to the rule, i reckon if you can see it, its probably in danger. I tell you, you live in or i tell you, if you live in or if you did last night, an awful situation in yarnton in oxfordshire last night at and this massive fireball. Look at this massive fireball. Look at that and light lightning struck a gas container here at a power plant , a a gas container here at a power plant, a green power plant as well. Well. Thats what i mean. Thats what i mean. Well, that could have been your house last night. My house . My house . You could have been in the middle of all of that, i hope. No one was hurt in this explosion. I mean, that looks pretty serious. 7 20 last night. So that was 7 20 last night. So it at the seven trent green it was at the seven trent green power carsington, power plant at carsington, north of last night. So so of oxford last night. So so thats pretty scary. You wont thats pretty scary. You wont want to avoid that. Send us your storm stories. If you were in the eye of the storm yesterday evening and weve got a heatwave coming this weekend, 24 degrees, no less variety is the spice of life. And weve got paul coyte coming the break. And coming after the break. And hell be talking about last nights west london derby. N ext next 6 21 oclock. It is a tuesday morning. This is breakfast and gb news eamonn holmes, isabel webster. Lets take a look at some of the big stories coming into the newsroom this morning. And a Second Police force is now investigating allegations against comedian russell against the comedian russell brand. Statement, thames brand. In a statement, Thames Valley confirmed its Valley Police confirmed its received information received new information relating harassment and relating to harassment and stalking claims dating back to 2018. They added that officers are currently reviewing the information available. Russell brand denies all allegations against him. A civil fraud case against him. A civil fraud case against former President Donald Trump has begun in new york. Hes accused of inflating the value of his assets by billions of dollars to secure better loan and insurance terms , one of and insurance terms, one of a number of legal battles as the former president is facing. And i think its having an effect on him because i noticed yesterday i thought he looked very haggard , very, very tired. , very, very tired. But he remains looks fitter and stronger than biden to me. And he remains the frontrunner, doesnt he . Yeah. All the polls to be republican. Its there in a sphere. I just got a chance to see better pictures. Maybe as the program progresses. So he says hes a victim of the single biggest witch hunt of all time. Witch hunt of all time. The pope has given what he calls a cautious backing to the blessing of gay unions for the first time. This is a significant step away from the Catholic Churchs traditional intolerance of homosexuality. The leader of the Catholic Church suggested there could be ways to bless same sex unions as he responded to five conservative cardinals who challenged him to affirm the churchs teaching on the issue. Churchs teaching on the issue. Right lets get into the sports news paul coyte with us. I love how they called you broadcaster every day. Its bizarre, isnt it . Its bizarre, isnt it . Its bizarre, isnt it . Its bizarre. Its bizarre. Yeah, i know. Yeah, i know. Youre a broadcaster. Youre a broadcaster. Yeah, i know. Yeah, i know. Well, like, its pretty obvious thats what it does for a living, isnt it . Got a new sport ive got a new sport broadcaster. Ive got a new sport. A big sport sport. This is a big sport thats taken off in america. Stein holding you sure harry kane didnt send you that . I know was it. And so the know that was it. And so the this is what im thinking. Its october. Well, thank you very much. Course much. Its oktoberfest of course it that time of it is. Its that time of the year and they this in the year and they do this in the states they fill bit. States and they fill the bit. And its how long you can hold that out for. It should be full, though, right . Well, this just test. Well, this is just the test. So i thought and then apparently, like 3 to 5 minutes would have a go. Would like to have a go. There you go. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Do it for whole bulletin, do it for the whole bulletin, eamonn. Okay. Do it for the whole bulletin, eanwell, okay. Thinking the well, i was thinking the whole show. Ill for the whole ill do it for the whole time. Pauls talking. Right. Okay, so hold it out straight and you go. And away you go. Camera do you me which camera do you want me on . Right. Hold that one. On . Right. Ill hold that one. Fine. Okay. Right. Okay, fine. Okay. Right. Were away. So, shall we talk about chelsea . So they won last night. So they won last night. Did last night. E m night. In the premier league. It was in the premier league. They beat fulham 2 0 craven they beat fulham 2 0 at craven cottage. How we doing . Are cottage. How are we doing . Are you still there . Im just fine. Im just fine. Im just going to shake a little bit. I start to wobble. I start to wobble. Mykhaylo. Scored first mykhaylo. Mudryk scored first goal mykhaylo. Mudryk scored first goal. Scored for chelsea 24 goal. He scored for chelsea 24 games. Worry games. Theres all the worry about chelsea. What on about chelsea. You know what on earth going to happen . Earth is going to happen . Theyve billion. Theyve spent £1 billion. I dont to worry dont think they need to worry too thats just lowered too much. Thats just lowered very slightly, by the way. I think theyre going to take them a long, long time, though, to get through the bulletin. Yeah, it does seem you mean . Yeah, it does seem rather slow. Were making last, by were making this last, by the very long time, the way, for a very long time, talking about scoring goals. Mourn passing of we mourn the passing of francis lee, who basically scored goal every other game scored a goal every other game for clubs england. Yeah. I mean, franny leaves a im not going to i hate the phrase when people oh, they use the when people go, oh, they use the word too but word legend too much. But i mean, he truly was a legend. So franny lein passed away. Manchester legend. I mean, Manchester City legend. I mean, i first saw him when he was playing county. Dont i first saw him when he was playin the county. Dont i first saw him when he was playin the 70s. County. Dont i first saw him when he was playin the 70s. Hesmty. Dont i first saw him when he was playin the 70s. Hes still dont there. That was after that was after Manchester City. And that was where the famous there was some famous moments. One was the barry davies one of them was the barry davies commentary. At his commentary. We go look at his face. Just look at his face. Youre doing good. Youre doing good. And then the other one was, course, fight that was, of course, the fight that we Norman Hunter, we mentioned with Norman Hunter, the the great the swinging of the arms, great character. For character. So many goals for city for england as well. City played for england as well. Amazing businessman, and then ended chairman ended up as chairman of Manchester City. We done . Are we done . Are we done . Putting it down. Im putting it down. Im putting it down. Put down. Can i it right. Put it down. Can i it well good effort. My yeah well done. Good effort. My yeah good muscles and World Champion but say say amazing but you say you say amazing businessman made his fortune businessman he made his fortune with toilet roll. Yeah he manufactured toilet roll. Does that not make him an amazing business . Thats an interesting way of making money. Absolutely. Therell always a demand for making money. Absolutely. Thnwontalways a demand for making money. Absolutely. Thnwont they . A demand for it, wont they . Well, i think there probably will always a demand for it all. My wife brought in, she she has this idea, i dont know, to be more environmentally friendly, but she got brown toilet roll. Toilet roll. Oh, no, no, no. Oh, no, no, no. Oh, no, no, no. The line at that. The line at that. Thats whats disgusting. Thats whats disgusting. Oh, i really like to throw cash at loo roll. Cash at loo roll. Yeah. Because one of the things that luxurious. Luxurious. Yes. Velvety luxurious. Yes. Velvety yeah. Why . I never. Yeah. Why . I never. I never really understand. I never really understand. And you get certain toilet roll that shiny. That shiny. Thats the old school. Thats the old school paint like paper i whats the point of that . Whats the point of that . Whats the point of that . I have no idea. I have no idea. Cheap, cheap. Cheap, cheap. Cheap, cheap. I think it i you know what . I could try and explain it, but i had to self edit as i was talking about it. So i decided not to. Yeah. Slippery slimy. Got it. No no purchase on that toilet roll anyway, so. Toilet roll anyway, so. So condolences to francis lees family then. Lees family then. All of that. All of that. I have a feeling i may be able to do a better tribute. Who was the holy trinity at Manchester United . Best law and charlton at Manchester City. There was as colin lee, of course, and Mike Summerbee back in the not colin lee. In the not colin lee. Yeah. Colin bell. Yeah. Colin bell. Bell. Im yeah. Colin bell. Bell. Im thinking of colin bell. Im thinking of the old spurs player colin lee. Oh, colin lee just yes, just crept into there. Colin crept back into there. Colin bell the late great colin bell. Mike summerbee, of course, is still us. Yes. And he was still with us. Yes. And he was there for the first game of the Champions League a week or so ago he walked out with the ago when he walked out with the trophy. Summerbee , trophy. So Mike Summerbee, another of another true legend of manchester yeah. Manchester city. Yeah. Yeah. Currently, paul, okay. Currently, paul, thank you very much indeed. When you come time , what are we come back next time, what are we talking about . We have plenty. Weve got to talk Champions League. Talk about the Champions League. Weve and weve got Manchester City. And also to the also youre going to hold the id like know how long did id like to know how long did anyone time that need to anyone time that we need to watch back because watch it back because i think i did about four and a half. Did four and a half, but it wasnt four 32 seconds. I think you couldnt it for so long. You couldnt do it for so long. Tell next time ill tell you next time youre up, im going to fill it up next time. Yeah, its a real manly version. Thank you very much indeed. Thank you very much indeed. Nice. Nice. Well, maybe beer. Well, maybe beer. Were to going be next, were to going be looking passport looking at higher passport database. Could help tackle prop property our property crime. Thats with our headune n ext next h alf next half past six, a reminder of our top stories on this tuesday morning. Morning. Trans women are to be banned from female hospital wards. Thats just one of the proposals to be announced by the Health Secretary today in an aim to bnng secretary today in an aim to bring back, as he it, bring back, as he puts it, common sense the Health Common sense to the health service. Service. The Prime Minister reportedly intends to axe hs2 and the northern leg to manchester. Many of his own mps are coming out against the idea, leaving a conservative civil war brewing and the justice secretary wants to retrospectively apply whole life orders to the worst murderers. Murderers. Well be asking about that and quizzing him on some of the headunes and quizzing him on some of the headlines coming out of conservative Party Conference. And thats in around 15 minutes time. Time. The headlines coming out of the conservative Party Conference are like their greatest hits. They just they just the same things longer jail sentences. Sentences. Well, thats what they want everyone to be talking about. But then theres the stuff thats just crashing in like hs2 benefit fraud rules about. Benefit fraud rules about. But its the same stuff. But its the same stuff. Its the same rubbish every single year. I think theyll be happy with how its going. You know, the government, i would say, well, sunak should an end to all sunak should put an end to all this talk dragging or this talk and dragging on or people out speak people just come out and speak about is the about it and say, is the accident or not . Should have done last week ahead of the conference. Yeah, ahead of the conference. So nice in real trouble with that. Wonder trouble with that. So no wonder what reaction going to be what the reaction is going to be like when he announces it, when hes what people hes saying, but what people really is, you know, this really want is, you know, this idea the money idea that theyll take the money if got the money if they havent got the money for to what have they got for hs2 to what have they got the money for . I mean, how can they actually then say theyre going money that they going to spend money that they dont else . Dont have on Something Else . And i keep pointing and also, as i keep pointing out, goes into a central out, money goes into a central pot. So it does so theres no point saying that the hs2 money will go ring fence east west, north. No. Yeah, theyre not doing and they dont do doing that and they dont do that. The systems not like that. The systems not like that. So, you know, whether youre in the care home secretary whether you secretary or whether youre, you know, you will know, nhs, whatever you will say, i want a bit of that. Well, youre putting fixing potholes and youll say, want and roads. Youll say, i want a bit of that as well. Your bit of that as well. So your views very welcome on this this morning and as eamonn said, the front page of the newspapers pretty dominated various pretty much dominated by various different coming of manchester. But the daily mirror with Something Different there leading yob Something Different there lead made yob Something Different there lead made fun yob Something Different there lead made fun of yob Something Different there lead made fun of bradley yob Something Different there lead made fun of bradley lowery, who made fun of bradley lowery, who made fun of bradley lowery, who. And theyre talking who died. And theyre talking about his mothers anguish on the of their paper this the front of their paper this morning , the times focuses on morning, the times focuses on that hs2 situation. Pm brings axe down. So its been reported as fact on many news programs and in newspapers , papers and whatever, but nothing confirmed from the Party Hierarchy yet the express ever loyal to the Prime Minister, they say his plan to deliver a series of announcements will focus on what is for best britain and the i says the Prime Minister faces growing conservative backlash. Oh yeah , conservative backlash. Oh yeah, repeat, repeat, repeat. Lets forget all these. Right . Lets forget all these. Right . Lets forget all these. Right . Lets forget all this. What we should say to you today. Forget all that, right . What we should say to that our one of to you today is that our one of our newspaper reviewers is not well and cannot make it today. Well and cannot make it today. So warming up put his boots on. Hes playing on the subs bench. Paul coyte. Paul coyte. Yeah, weve just literally hauled him in from the newsroom, so dont be worried. Well be kind. Well be kind. Okay. Were going to start with the back pages then. Are we are to just go and work are we going to just go and work our way back . I you what, we are going i tell you what, we are going to start were going to to start with. Were going to start derek lord, the start with derek lord, whos the other reviewer morning. And other reviewer this morning. And very see you. Morning. Very nice to see you. Morning. Isabels that has isabels got a story that has been preying on her mind. Actually, were talking well, actually, were talking about all the different lines coming conference coming out of conference Kemi Badenoch yesterday seems to be very been very popular. And shes been talking she tucks talking about how when she tucks her children into bed at night, she says to obviously, she says to them, obviously, black children, should be black children, you should be grateful be being up grateful to be being brought up in there no better in britain. There is no better place the world be black. Place in the world to be black. Well, its a very good headline. Its obviously a very personal story and very peculiar to her. I mean, she was born in 1980. She comes from a middle class family. Her fathers a gp. Her mothers a professor. So she started with what the sociology artists call cultural capital. So her experience of living in the United Kingdom is going to be very different from somebodys experience of living in the United Kingdom. If they were into a working class were born into a working class black family for example, in the 50s in the 50s, 60s, 70s and 50s or in the 50s, 60s, 70s and so on. But i think nonetheless , so on. But i think nonetheless, its a kind of indication of how far weve come that she feels able to say that to her children. The next her next generation, as it were. But what i would say as it were. But what i would say is that, you know, only 3 of the uk population is black. We actually spend quite a lot of time exam narrating the problems that exist for black people in this country. I think when only when the numbers are so are are so small. But what i would also say well, you could say that i wouldnt like to be known black make the same claim of course. But you see, i, i, i, mrs. Thatcher once said, you know, you tell people the truth and then the people will be your judge. And i think im happy with that position. I like that that position. I like that phrase. And i think that for most of us, you know, weve advanced extremely well in this country. We there are things country. We there are things about living here, which is better than any other country in the world. For example, our judicial system and our rule of law, our democratic processes, and the way in which we hold those people in authority to account. These are things that we should celebrate, really celebrate. Celebrate. But, derek, can i can i ask you, derek, i mean, you must have faced discrimination over the years. Its very for easy and i say its very easy. Its very difficult, as eamonn just mentioned for us to discuss something that because Something Like that because weve with what weve never grown up with what maybe to go through maybe youve had to go through when you were younger. So it must have changed the must have changed over the years. Has it truly got years. But has it truly got better because a lot of people say it hasnt . Well, mean, i think that well, i mean, i think that ive experience ive had a personal experience that was actually informed by the person that i am anyway. So the person that i am anyway. So the person that i am anyway. So the kind of discrimination that i might have faced was probably more about being posh than being black, for example. But from who, though . From who was saying that to you . Well, i mean, it wasnt just well, i mean, it wasntjust its not that people necessarily said anything. You know, it was the way in which actually barriers were put in in your way. But, i mean, i dont think i think that all these personal challenges , you overcome them by challenges, you overcome them by how you respond to them. You how you respond to them. You know, whether you it doesnt kill you and so on. And so forth, whether youre a woman, whether youre black, whether youre gay, whatever, its how youre gay, whatever, its how you respond to them. You personally respond to them. I ask you, what can we can i ask you, what can we badenoch yesterday said seems incomplete contrast and at odds with what Suella Braverman said last week about multicolour journalism failing and People Living in silos in this country i you know, either its a great place to be a minority person or its not. And you know, which is it . Yeah. Yeah. Well, a very good question. I have to tell you that my own view on this is that whats Suella Braverman was really i think , saying was that, you know think, saying was that, you know , if you are born into this country or indeed if you come here because youve come for here because youve come for here love, you come for here a better opportunities and so on and so forth. The most important thing of all is that you actually have loyalty to British Institute options and that if you are british and you value to this country for many different reasons, that you show loyalty to the rule of law and, and that you and you cannot operate in some kind of go auto really. And some kind of go auto really. And i think that those are all reasonable points. I would, however, say that , you know, however, say that, you know, Kemi Badenoch and James Cleverly both said that they disagree with Suella Braverman and that they think that multiculturalism has succeeded. Interesting thing. Interesting thing. And paul , interesting thing. And paul, what do you have for your dinner . What do you for your dinner . What do you what do you have a regular or do you have certain things . When i was young, we had certain things on certain days. Yeah. Like it was on on monday and it was was stew on on monday and it was cold meat. Used to be cold beef on a monday. Yes. Leftover salad monday. Yes. Leftover salad cream. Leftover from cream. Yeah. Yeah leftover from the salad cream. Yeah. Absolutely. So weve got a weve got a story here. Were like your story here. Were just like your your and derek will your opinion and derek will weigh on this well that a weigh in on this as well that a woman has sparked after woman has sparked outrage after pandenng woman has sparked outrage after pandering husbands pandering to her husbands dinner complaint. It doesnt tell me what to say where that is, but. Outraged by it. Or whos outraged by it. Or whos outraged by it. It sounds quite sweet. I think that this is a video viral video, isnt it . I dont think its an any newspaper. Is this is this a video, ollie . Lets run it then. Lets ollie . Lets run it then. Lets have a look. So the thing is, have a look. So the thing is, this woman has catered to her husbands dinner demands by serving him nachos. Now, husbands dinner demands by serving him nachos. Now, im not a nacho fan. I love nachos. I love nachos. Do you not . Do you not . So hold on. Whats going on . The nachos there. That looks like prawn cocktail sauce. That looks like it would either be mary rose sauce, sour cream , or it would be a cheesy cream, or it would be a cheesy sauce, but he doesnt look old enough a wife. Enough to have a wife. So hold on. Does he have this every single day . This. Man, this. Man, this. Well, i dont know. Man, this. Oh, l, i dont know. Man, this. Oh, i i dont know. Man, this. Oh, i thoughtmow. Man, this. Oh, i thought that. Man, this. Oh, i thought that was the man. No, its not someone whos outraged. I havent seen anything outrageous. Oh, my gosh. Hes under blanket as and under a blanket as well, and shes serving. You as well . What this tells me that he is being mothered by his partner. He looks like hes he looks like hes on the sofa this is the thing. When youre a kid and youre feeling unwell, there was youre feeling unwell, there was you could either sleep in your mum and dads or if you were mum and dads bed or if you were really lucky, you could sleep on mum and dads bed or if you were realsofa cky, you could sleep on mum and dads bed or if you were realsofa with you could sleep on mum and dads bed or if you were realsofa with the could sleep on mum and dads bed or if you were realsofa with the duvetsleep on mum and dads bed or if you were realsofa with the duvet and on mum and dads bed or if you were realsofa with the duvet and then the sofa with the duvet and then get to watch the tv. I think this is probably what hes doing all time. All the time. Thats right. Thats right. Nachos, though, for not with nachos, though, for crying loud. Not with nachos, though, for crineah, loud. Not with nachos, though, for crineah, lotwhats wrong with yeah, but whats wrong with making husband what they making your husband what they like every and then . Like every now and then . Thats. Thats quite nice. Come a love. Well, i had a love. Well, i had a love. Its in return. Its in return. A lovely dinner at your house. My lasagne apple crumble and was lovely. What and custard was lovely. What more want. And custard was lovely. What more good want. And custard was lovely. What more good to want. And custard was lovely. What more good to bent. And custard was lovely. What more good to be on sofa oh, good to be on the sofa with a as well. A duvet . With a duvet as well. A duvet . Yeah we had that. Yeah. Yeah we had that. Yeah. Yeah we had that. Did you cook it . Yeah. Did you cook it . Yeah. Next time ill get you a blanket. You can sit on the sofa. Passport database derek. Passport database of 45 is going to be 45 Million People is going to be used to shoplifters. Mean, is a very yes. I mean, this is a very interesting story. Its on page four, think of daily mail four, i think of the daily mail and the police and crime minister is actually responding to the growing calls from shopkeepers for help to deal with shoplifting. Its becoming a growing problem now , what what a growing problem now, what what he is saying and what he said yesterday was that they they have 4 to 5 Million Peoples photo id on National Computers and theyre going to try and use that to help up the police match up the cctv, the cctv footage, is that basically one step closer to these id cards that have been so used for so long . Were were increasingly moving towards a society where more and more and more of our data, more and more of our identity, more and more of our images, more and more of our private lives actually being computer ized. You know, the one thing i would say about this, which i think is pretty important to hold to, on that most people hold to, on is that most people always think technology always think that technology is the to all our problems the solution to all our problems today. Yeah but you know, 8 Million People still dont have a passport in this country or travel documents and so on. And so forth. So you can be one of those 8 million or many more than one of those 8 million and commit crimes of this kind and never and go undetected. They are they are. Are they are. Look, were going to go to a break now. Weve got alex chalk, who is the justice secretary. Im going to be speaking to him from conference in manchester right after this. And weve got the justice secretary, alex chalk, live from conference this morning. Thanks for your time , secretary, and for your time, secretary, and good to see you. You want to increase the use of whole life orders, extending them to what . Right. So this is to ensure that for those most serious offenders, life really should mean life. So that means that mean life. So that means that when a murder is committed and there is sexual or sadistic conduct in respect of that victim, that the judges will impose a whole life order. So that life should mean life. Unless, of course there are exceptional circum instances, but that will be the default result. And youre going to be looking at this retrospectively. So therell be a number of people whove already been sent to who potentially to jail who potentially could see being see their sentences being significa increased. Significa increased. Well, so should be clear, its those whove been convicted but are yet to be sentenced. So there can be an element of retrospective to that to that extent. Thats important. Extent. So thats important. And as say, the point is that we as i say, the point is that we want to ensure there want to ensure that there is confidence certainty confidence and certainty in sentencing so that public sentencing so that the public can for these most can know for these most appalling these most appalling crimes, these most heinous offenders , that do, heinous offenders, that they do, in the punishment that in fact, get the punishment that keeps the british people safe. And meets the justice of and also meets the justice of the case. And i its fair yeah. And i think its fair to say youll find few people who object who will will object to that. The question is, secretary of state, why that happening state, why isnt that happening already . Already . Look, does it does well, look, it does it does happenin well, look, it does it does happen in respect of number of happen in respect of a number of particularly appalling murders. Particularly appalling murders. And there are people who are serving whole life orders. So youll for example, wayne youll know, for example, Wayne Couzens but there youll know, for example, wayne cou plenty but there youll know, for example, wayne cou plenty of but there youll know, for example, wayne couplenty of others but there youll know, for example, wayne couplenty of others as but there youll know, for example, wayne couplenty of others as well. here are plenty of others as well. But what we want to do is to ensure where that the ensure that where that is the starting other words, starting point in other words, where option that where that is the option that judges thinking judges should be thinking about as initial proposition. It as an initial proposition. It now becomes so its now becomes the default. So its what should happen unless, of course, judge decides there course, the judge decides there are circumstances. Course, the judge decides there are think circumstances. Course, the judge decides there are think that cumstances. Course, the judge decides there are think that puts tances. Course, the judge decides there are think that puts the es. Course, the judge decides there are think that puts the law and we think that puts the law in right place. That meets and we think that puts the law in instincts lace. That meets and we think that puts the law in instincts ofce. That meets and we think that puts the law in instincts of the that meets and we think that puts the law in instincts of the british eets the instincts of the british people and, as say, does people and, as i say, does justice and provides, know, people and, as i say, does jucrumbnd provides, know, people and, as i say, does jucrumb of provides, know, people and, as i say, does jucrumb of comforts, know, people and, as i say, does jucrumb of comfort for know, people and, as i say, does jucrumb of comfort for families a crumb of comfort for families after the most appalling crimes that they feel justice is truly being served. Being served. So youll be announcing that formally in your speech a little bit later on. And therell also be a big speech today from the health Steve Barclay Health Secretary, Steve Barclay , front of the telegraph this morning, about morning, talking about an interview today , interview that hes done today, that transgender women will be banned from female wards. Lots of people, again, may say thats a lot of common sense, but surely pretty trivial issue. And trying to create a distraction away from the fact here we are, day of significant strikes day two of significant strikes in the nhs between Junior Doctors and consultants and lets be honest, a conference thats completely overshadowed by what we expect to be the abolition of hs2 tomorrow. Well, abolition of hs2 tomorrow. Well, look , first of all, i dont look, first of all, i dont think its a trivial issue. I think its important. I think Patients Want to know how the circumstances in which theyre treated. Theyre being treated. And i should in prisons, theyre being treated. And i shoul |m in prisons, theyre being treated. And i shoul |m responsiblesons, theyre being treated. And i shoul |m responsible for, theyre being treated. And i shoul |m responsible for, were which im responsible for, were very clear that those who are biological men, men with birth genitalia , or indeed whove been genitalia, or indeed whove been convicted of a serious offence of sex or violence, should not serve in the womens estate. And serve in the womens estate. And i think its important people need to understand and people want are want reassurance that we are standing up for the rights of women. I think numbers standing up for the rights of wcpeople i think numbers standing up for the rights of we people affected k numbers standing up for the rights of we people affected by numbers standing up for the rights of we people affected by that|mbers standing up for the rights of we people affected by that are ers of people affected by that are absolutely tiny. When you compare it with a million appointments being cancelled in the nhs and the billions of pounds that have been spent on hs2 already, its a distraction. Its culture a distraction. Its culture wars, its just trying to say, oh, look over here, its the good Old Fashioned dead cat in the room. The room. No, no, i dont think thats right. I dont think thats fair. And by the way, it will not, of course, be the only thing that that the Health Secretary talks but do secretary talks about. But i do think issues people think there are issues people want that we are want to understand that we are clear and were sensible clear eyed and were sensible and were making common sense decisions points. Now, decisions on these points. Now, as wider issues about as for the wider issues about strikes, position there is strikes, our position there is very clear there is an very clear that there is an offer the table, which offer on the table, which incidentally is the offer that has proposed by the has been proposed by the independent pay review body. So thats where have thats where you have individuals of total independence, professionalism independence, of professionalism , of integrity who make that recommendation and area recommendation. And in my area of prisons and probation, that is exactly the same approach that we listened to that was taken. We listened to what the pay review body said and we accepted every last penny of the recommendation. And i do think be think thats important to be clear about. We accepted it. And thats precisely weve thats precisely what weve awarded prison sector. Awarded in the prison sector. And you could ask , looking at and you could ask, looking at the whole life orders , what the whole life orders, what would the point of parole be . And im thinking of jon venables , whos coming up for a parole heanng , whos coming up for a parole hearing soon. The one of the boys now a man who murdered jamie bulger. Boys now a man who murdered jamie bulger. And you could look jamie bulger. And you could look and you could say everything youre talking about is geared towards a case like that, that life should mean life. So where does that leave parole . Well people ever get a fair crack of the whip with parole . The whip with parole . No. So the so the whole point about whole life orders is there is no option for that. About whole life orders is there is no option for that. So what is no option for that. So what it effectively means is that individual must die in prison. Individual must die in prison. So the point about parole is there are certain cases where if that individual can persuade the parole board that they are no longer a danger to the public, then they should able to get then they should be able to get out, on life licence, so out, albeit on life licence, so that they commit an offence that if they commit an offence theyre straight back inside. But certain number of but there is a certain number of cases we think its where there is sexual or sadistic conduct as part of the murder. And you can think of course about the appalling Sarah Everard case and others where life should mean life and shouldnt have the life and they shouldnt have the prospect of parole because that is is only by doing is the only it is only by doing that that do justice that that you truly do justice to horror of that particular case. So im almost reticent to ask you more further on hs2 just because ive seen a number of ministers over. Lets be honest , more than a week now, really squirming and trying to avoid the question. We all know its the question. We all know its going to be axed this northern leg. Just to leg. Right. And i just want to hear answer from hear an honest answer from a senior politician involved in this. Are you embarrassed . Is this. Are you embarrassed . Is hs2 an emblem of shame for you . Hs2 an emblem of shame for you . Absolutely not. And i tell you this, although this course is a decision for the Prime Minister and the chancellor, i sit opposite the Prime Minister rishi sunak in the cabinet room. When we look at things like the illegal migration act. Thats illegal migration act. So thats how give effect to the how you give effect to the rwanda legislation. And rwanda legislation. Ian and i see someone who whos the see in someone who whos the best person the room best brief person in the room who the detail who goes through the detail calmly and unemotional about the Prime Ministers credentials. I asked whether you were i asked you whether you were embarrassed and ashamed about hs2 cancelled and well , hs2 being cancelled and well, first of all, im not sure that decision has been made. That decision hasnt been made. You asked about embarrassment. What . Im not embarrassed prime embarrassed about is this Prime Minister thing on minister does the right thing on the of the evidence, the basis of the evidence, coolly, unemotionally. Coolly, calmly, unemotionally. And i think that is the right approach. Thats approach. I think thats the only way do justice by only way that you do justice by the this country, the the people of this country, the taxpayers of this country, to follow evidence and thats follow the evidence and thats what he does. What he does. Okay. Alex secretary okay. Alex chalk, secretary of for justice and the of state for justice and the lord chancellor, thanks very much your time this morning. Much for your time this morning. Good this afternoon. Thank thank you. You. Thank you so there you go. Thank you so there you go. Your views welcome. Gb views gb news. What the heck is it . What is it . Gb views. Gb views. But anyway, there it is up on your screen. Screen. Gb views gbnews. Com. Or you can at gb news as well. Can tweet at gb news as well. Ive just got to ask the panel whilst theyre still here, their thoughts on hs2. Does anyone else just want to scream at the telly . I mean, you were saying this absolute saying yesterday this absolute repeat line about spades in the ground makes you want to tear your hair out. Our spades in the ground. Our spades in the ground. But hes going to pull them out of the ground, isnt he . Thing i would say the only thing i would say about and rishi in about hs2 and rishi sunak in particular, think is particular, which i think is really important that nobody is saying, basically rishi saying, is that basically rishi sunaks of number sunaks lost control of number 10 downing street and the transport department because the only why this week is on only reason why this week is on the back foot is because there have been two leaks about hs2 that have undermined him. And he that have undermined him. And he planned to make this statement on wednesday. Hes not been on wednesday. Hes not been allowed to because somebody close within his circle , inside close within his circle, inside number 10 or the department of transport, has undermined him. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I dont think he wanted to make it in manchester at all. I think wanted conference think they wanted conference over to london. Over and get back to london. And i think he wanted jeremy hunt that. Hunt to have to deliver that. And statement, the and the autumn statement, the lib yesterday saying that lib dems yesterday saying that sunaks look sunaks making liz truss look like political like a political genius. Dont that we well, i dont think that we should any advice from the should take any advice from the liberal democrats. You make of liz truss . You know , a whats the word, you know, a whats the word, a rising like lazarus from the dead , you know, stick it in town dead, you know, stick it in town yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. Like lucifer, never to rise again. And thats not happening in her case. And i think many more people wish to would because, i mean, i think its true to say that liz truss has had her chance and she blew it. She was in somebody tell her that i think were going to send you out there to tell her even can i . I would happily tell her because i saw journalists right across the spectrum yesterday all saying whats the busiest room at conference . My goodness me, isnt she popular . And i was just like, is popular . And i was just like, is everyone stupid . The reason this everyone stupid . The reason this room is packed is because everyones here to see what shes to going say. The reason we cant afford to crashing economy crashed. Crashing the economy crashed. Economy. The economy. The economy. Well, quite. Well, quite. You know, i dont think the fact that the room was full is necessary. Indication of her necessary. An indication of her popularity. Ask you let me ask you can i ask you let me ask you a mean, this this is a question. I mean, this this is from mean, we can from the outside. I mean, we can talk politics from the talk about politics from the inside and then we on the inside and then we stand on the outside. Ill probably be outside. And ill probably be one that be one of those people that will be looking it, thinking how what one of those people that will be looki how it, thinking how what one of those people that will be looki how hasthinking how what one of those people that will be looki how has thiszing how what one of those people that will be looki how has thiszing how st how, how has this happened . Is this down to is this to this down to her or is this to down people around her that are thinking , down people around her that are thinking, right, were going to push again and this push you fonnard again and this is to be the future is going to be the future because its not just because its not surely just something do on your something you can do on your own. After what own. And suddenly, after what happened to her before, and then they this new popularity they get this new popularity again. Mean, who does it yeah. I mean, who does it jostling possibly. Yeah. I mean, who does it josionce possibly. Yeah. I mean, who does it josionce they possibly. Yeah. I mean, who does it josionce they lose possibly. Yeah. I mean, who does it josionce they lose. Jssibly. Yeah. I mean, who does it josionce they lose. Yeahj. Once they lose. Yeah. Once they lose. Yeah. Well, i think the problem with she does with liz truss is that she does actually to her own actually listen to her own opinion think she opinion an i think if she actually canvass widely, actually canvass more widely, i think she would actually get rather sensible advice. And i think that this is a this mantra probably was something that she would have been wise to adhere to inside number 10 downing street, because the problem was that were only 2 or 3 people that were only 2 or 3 people that she would listen to. Well, except very strong minded, faithful was who appointed her as leader. About 80,000 people. And huge number of them at conference and really still rate her. I think that that is true. And it has to be said that that the central message that she has is really right, but shes just the wrong person to deliver it. I mean , we do need to have tax i mean, we do need to have tax cuts. Its a question of when cuts. Its a question of when and how you do it. You know, cuts. Its a question of when and how you do it. You know, the and how you do it. You know, the problem for liz truss is that shes got a plan around cutting taxes, but she hasnt got a plan around how you finance the cuts. Derek, would you cut hs2 . Derek, would you cut hs2 . Oh, undoubtedly. It would oh, undoubtedly. It would never have started. Well for a number of different reasons. Now the first is that this announcement was first made in in 2009. Then the predicted cost for hs2 was £15 billion. Once you start spending billion pounds, its the waste of the money that youve already invested. But the cost that is now the costs that were now talking about is in excess of £200 billion. Now , it is true, to my mind now, it is true, to my mind that its been a dereliction of duty and its a grotesque chaos that we find ourselves in, which actually goes to the heart of the fact that the Civil Service are not as good as people think that they are, because of the mess that were in, is slightly related to way in which related to the way in which procurement is done in this country. And the service country. And the Civil Service managed just about managed just about a high speed rail line. About a high speed rail line. It is about a victorian infrastructure nature that we seem to be happy to maintain between london and manchester, something that was that was constructed in the victorian age. Ijust constructed in the victorian age. I just strikes me that theres not a National Determination to bnng not a National Determination to bring this country in line with france or japan or germany or amen. These are extremely laudable things to want to achieve and nobodys saying that it will never be done. Its the question of when you do it, you know, youve got to remember and nobody talks about this, the National Debt in this country is phenomenal. Its. Two country is phenomenal. Its. Two 235 trillion. Its costing. Us 235 trillion. Its costing. Us £9. 3 billion a day to service that debt. We cannot afford hs2. Thatis that debt. We cannot afford hs2. That is the reality. And rishi that is the reality. And rishi sunakis that is the reality. And rishi sunak is doing us all a favour as taxpayers by telling us that we can only spend what we can afford. Just very quickly, eamonn, just have my bathroom done and had an in wash toilet installed and no more toilet roll required for me and another one on toilet. Sure, i would trust that though. Talking about tracey, you would need an inspection, wouldnt you . Before you could leave the room anyway , lets go leave the room anyway, lets go to alex deakin. Here he is. Here he is. Good morning. Im alex deakin. This is your latest weather update from the met office gb news. A bit of a office for gb news. A bit of a soggy start for parts of east anglia in the south east. Generally a bright and breezy kind of day with a few showers around. A pretty around. But as i said, a pretty wet start for parts of east anglia. The south east, of anglia. The south east, a lot of spray water on the spray and surface water on the roads, is clearing roads, but that is all clearing away. Well some away. Then well see some sunshine coming through. Plenty of showers into western sunshine coming through. Plenty of shower still into western sunshine coming through. Plenty of showerstill quite 1to western sunshine coming through. Plenty of showerstill quite breezystern scotland. Still quite breezy here and see a mixture of here and well see a mixture of sunshine showers for sunshine and showers for northern wales northern england. North wales and Northern Ireland. But much of south east will stay of the south and east will stay dry and bright with some sunshine. Temperatures getting into to teens , a into the mid to high teens, a fresher feel most compared fresher feel for most compared to yesterday. Its quite to yesterday. Its still quite windy across northern scotland, especially elsewhere. Especially breezy elsewhere. That breeze leads down overnight. Well see a few showers drifting in, but many places will stay clear, particularly across the south and the east. Later on, though, some more wet and windy weather will come in across the highlands Western Isles highlands and the Western Isles. Temperatures will drop down into figures rural into single figures in rural spots. So a fresh start to wednesday. A bright wednesday for most. A bright start, though, tomorrow morning across much of the midlands and eastern england, quite a lot of cloud further north west. Cloud further north and west. And rain cause some and that rain could cause some problems. Continues to feed problems. That continues to feed into western scotland and are really building up as we go through the day and starting to edge further south. So perhaps arriving parts of the arriving across parts of the central northern central belt into Northern Ireland and wales, central belt into northern irelead and wales, central belt into northern irelea few and wales, central belt into northern irelea few scattered and wales, central belt into northern irelea few scattered showers, s, just a few scattered showers, mostly. Many central mostly in the west. Many central and parts be dry and eastern parts will be dry and eastern parts will be dry and bright temperatures and bright and temperatures again to high teens. Again in the mid to high teens. Well. A very good morning to you. It is 7 00 or just about to turn 7 00 on tuesday, the 3rd of october. Im just laughing at a comments come in from a viewer there. We were talking about toilet paper and how a footballer , paper and how a footballer, francis lee, had made his fortune manufacturing toilet paper. Fortune manufacturing toilet paper. But she fortune manufacturing toilet paper. But she said this is why i love. Yeah, vivian says, how hilarious. The conversation this morning on toilet paper. Yet another reason why love gb news no holds barred. Gb news no holds barred. Do you think she just had that deliberately anyway . No holds barred at all. No holds barred at all. Thank you. Yeah its eamonn and isabel with you this morning. Heres whats leading our today. Our program today. Be banned trans women will be banned from female hospital wards. One of the proposals to be announced by Health Secretary by the Health Secretary today, in to bring back, as he in an aim to bring back, as he puts common sense to the puts it, common sense to the health. Health service. Yes, indeed. The conservative party seems to be delivering more and more wedge issues between itself and the labour party with a senior government source confirming to me that this policy is indeed going to be announced later today , a be announced later today, a consultation leading to , in the consultation leading to, in the view of the government change in the way that transgender individuals are treated on nhs wards. More to follow. Wards. More to follow. Tom, thank you. Despite calls from his own mps to stick with the hs2 rail project, there are now reports that the Prime Minister is going to axe the multi billion pound projects final leg to manchester, but push any senior government minister for an answer and you wont get a straight one. The justice secretary just told breakfast this a few moments ago that im not sure that decision has been made. That decision hasnt been made. Asked about made. You asked about embarrassment. Im not embarrassment. What im not embarrassed this embarrassed about is this Prime Minister thing on minister does the right thing on the of the evidence coolly the basis of the evidence coolly , unemotionally , after , calmly, unemotionally, after the chancellor called yesterday for a clampdown on benefit claimants who refused to look for work. For work. Later on the program, well be debating whether now is the right time to get tough on handouts. Handouts. And alex deakin, after a stormy day yesterday. Well have you all important forecast. You all important forecast. A bit of a wet start in places this morning, but most of us will have a bright and breezy day. Therell be some sunshine. There also be fair there will also be a fair few showers join later for showers. Join me later for a full forecast. Full forecast. Joining in 20 minutes and joining in 20 minutes time paul coyte with the sport. Time paul coyte with the sport. I was i was just texting tom actually there chelsea win a game of football hes luke donald going to stay on as ryder cup captain we hope so and also the loss of a legend at Manchester City. We talk about him,. Him, too. Friend. Thank you. Okay, my friend. Thank you. And what you have say. All and what you have to say. All important gb views gbnews. Com or you can tweet or x or whatever its called at gb news. Its called at gb news. News well, our top story this morning, all the latest from manchester. A tory civil war appears to be brewing. More reports now of imminent axing of that manchester leg of the hs2 project. Project. So latest reports and the Prime Minister will confirm the decision tomorrow. Decision tomorrow. So in a bid to save big tens of pounds in rising costs and instead invest in local infrastructure in the north of england , i believe that. How far england, i believe that. How far will that go . Well, earlier we pushed for confirmation of that from the justice minister, alex chalk, almost reticent to ask you more for further on hs2, just because ive seen a number of ministers oven ive seen a number of ministers over, lets be honest, more than a week now, really squirming and trying to avoid the question. We trying to avoid the question. We all know its going to be axed this right. I this northern leg. Right. And i just hear an honest just want to hear an honest answer from a senior politician involved in this. Are you involved in this. Are you embarrassed . Is hs2 an emblem of shame for you . Shame for you . No, absolutely not. And i tell you this, although this courses is a decision for the Prime Minister and the chancellor, i sit opposite the Prime Minister rishi sunak in the cabinet room. When we look at things like the illegal migration act. So thats how you give effect to rwanda give effect to the rwanda legislation. In legislation. And i see in someone who whos the best brief person the room who person in the room who goes through calmly. I through the detail calmly. I didnt ask you about the Prime Ministers credentials. Whether you were i asked you whether you were embarrassed and ashamed about hs2 being cancelled. Hs2 being cancelled. And well, first of all, im not sure that decision has been made that decision hasnt been made. You asked about embarrassed, but what im not embarrassed, but what im not embarrassed prime embarrassed about is this. Prime minister, the right thing minister, does the right thing on the basis of the evidence coolly, unemotionally. Coolly, calmly, unemotionally. And i think that is the right approach. I think thats the only that justice by only way that you do justice by the of this country, the the people of this country, the taxpayers to taxpayers of this country, to follow evidence. Thats follow the evidence. And thats what follow the evidence. And thats whiand eventually hes going to and eventually hes going to make an announcement on this tom hannood good. When do you think he wanted to make that he really wanted to make that announcement . Was it this week . Was will it be in was it last week . Will it be in a few weeks time . But it a few weeks time . But but it sounds as if hes going to have to make the announcement tomorrow. It seems like this is going to be a Central Point of the Prime Ministers big Conference Speech tomorrow, which is peculiar, perhaps given that this is a speech being made in manchester, indeed a speech being made in a former train station in manchester. After all, thats the Conference Convention centre that were currently sitting in, a former train station that closed down in the 1960s. Well ending another train line on its way to manchester might not be the most fitting thing for the Prime Minister to announce in this city, but it seems like were all waiting on tenterhooks for that speech tomorrow. It does lead ministers like alex chalk to be on the ropes. Theyre desperately trying to pivot away from questions asked and it has made the last three days here in manchester at the conservative Party Conference slightly peculiar because this has been hanging over the to the heads of government for quite some time. But it does seem that despite what senior ministers say, this is a decision that has been made and theyre just waiting for the Prime Minister to announce it. Thats all the indication that weve received behind the scenes nods and winks rather than clear indications. Of course. But indications. Of course. But after all the message and the pitch rolling that has been going on has been about taking Cost Effective decisions. Lets have a listen to what michael gove told Camilla Tominey only this weekend. This weekend. I agree that weve been too london centric in the past and thats why we have a Long Term Plan for levelling up with lots of different so you think that hs2 should go to manchester then . Think levelling up then . Well, i think levelling up involves doing many more things i give us your position on that. Go to manchester . Well, i think we to make well, i think we need to make sure were getting absolute sure that were getting absolute value for money. Must be able to come on, you must be able to have an opinion on whether it should go manchester or not. Should go to manchester or not. Absolutely most i absolutely think the most important sure important thing is making sure that level up, we take important thing is making sure that account level up, we take important thing is making sure that account all� vel up, we take important thing is making sure that account all of. Up, we take important thing is making sure that account all of the. We take important thing is making sure that account all of the things e into account all of the things that we need to do. So weve shifted council, should shifted arts council, but should it research and it go to Manchester Research and development . Well, were Development Funding . Well, were going should it not . Going to have to. Should it not . It . Should have to will it . Should it have to look at every conceivable viable pound that we spend on transport in order to make sure that we get value for money . Not an answer to the question whether you to you think it should go to manchester. All right. Another not theres another one not answering now , answering the questions now, tom, but so the other thing the other thing we want to talk to you about is transgender women to be banned from female male hospital wards. So this is hospital wards. So this is screaming out front page headune screaming out front page headline in the telegraph. Headline in the telegraph. Thats right. And ive confirmed this story with some senior government sources this morning. A little bit more detail for you on it. The ministers are going to be consulting on a change to the nhs constitution. Indeed, that , nhs constitution. Indeed, that, in the words of the government, would enshrine womens rights around and this sort of stuff. But it is interesting, of course, there are those that are deeply critical of the governments path here because after all, how many individuals does this really affect on nhs wards . Thats something that the government hasnt been able to clarify at this stage. However for a government source has told me that this is about taking a common sense approach, in their words, to sex and equality issues. Words, to sex and equality issues. Its important that male issues. Its important that male and female wards are protected and female wards are protected and requests to have intimate care provided by someone of the same sex. And those requests are respected. Thats what the respected. Thats what the governments line is this morning. However of course, there will be those who say how much of an issue is this and are we really going to see transgender women who perhaps have gone through a full transition, ending up on a male ward . What exactly how exactly will this work . No doubt more questions will be raised as a result. But yes, i can reveal that the government will be consulting on a change indeed to the very constitution version of the very constitution version of the nhs on this issue. And no doubt this is another issue that the government has found to try and create some clear blue water between the labour party and the conservative party. Perhaps we can see this announcement in the same vein as we saw those announcements on a delay to net zero targets. And the question marks over spending on hs2. Perhaps theres yet another issue that the government is finding a change in direction on and enabling rishi sunak to paint himself as a change candidate rather than someone who is pursuing continuity. Who is pursuing continuity. Tom, appreciate it. Thank you very much indeed. Wed like now to go to brendan chilton. Brendan is a labour councillor in kent stanhope. Ward in kent, and what does that say about County Durham . What did that i get that completely. No, hes not. See, im making all this up. Brendan so youre actually a labour councillor in County Durham . Yes i can be a councillor from wherever you want. Well i dont know the way want. Well i dont know the way the info comes in this place. I have no idea. But ill tell you this, brendan. Right. So your Party Conference, the labour Party Conference next week, right. All to come. Party conference next week, right. All to come. Are you right. All to come. Are you sitting back, are you sitting back. Just sitting back, are you sitting back. Just making your snowballs, ready to fire them. Are you enjoying this . Whats are you enjoying this . Whats your view of what youre seeing so far from the conservatives well, labour certainly shouldnt be complacent. I mean, we are only 12 to 13 points aheadin we are only 12 to 13 points ahead in the polls. We are only 12 to 13 points ahead in the polls. But i would just say this. Weve got school just say this. Weve got school roofs crumbling. No one can see a gp. The economy is stagnating and now theyre cancelling Critical Infrastructure and all the government can talk about is banning transgender women from hospital wards. Frankly, its pathetic. The countrys in pathetic. The countrys in facing multiple crises. Weve got a home secretary sounding off to try and get headlines just, you know, even the former home secretary and the current foreign secretary have criticised her. Frankly, this government appears to be on the rocks and were just waiting for it to go. So we can get a government that will actually deal with the peoples priorities. Burnhams echoed those Andy Burnhams echoed those thoughts, describing the decision hs2 or anticipated decision on hs2 or anticipated decision on hs2 or anticipated decision as disrespect of the scale and a desperate act of a dying government. My question scale and a desperate act of a dying govlabour|t. My question scale and a desperate act of a dying gov labour have question scale and a desperate act of a dying gov labour have kept;tion scale and a desperate act of a dying govlabour have kept hs2s is, would labour have kept hs2s northern leg. Northern leg. Yeah, just say brandon. We were just trying to say do you think labour what would labours intentions be with hs2 if they, if this decision wasnt made for them as brandons lying open guys , weve lost him. Guys, weve lost him. But thats okay. We will try and re establish connections there and in the meantime, move on to another big speech thats coming from manchester today, this time from the home secretary what a week on secretary what is it, a week on now made huge now since she made that huge speech Washington Week speech in washington last week talking how talking about how multiculturalism has failed and calling for the end of that Un Convention on human rights . Well, today shes set to make her big speech at conference. And one of the key figures, of course, in the party, some course, in the tory party, some people angling perhaps for people say angling perhaps for rishi job. Rishi sunaks job. Okay. Police see numbers is the subject crime rates and untackled lawbreaking are set to be top of her concerns. Pip tomson with this home secretary Suella Braverman will speak at the conservative Party Conference later as the government tries to get to grips with some of the issues affecting the country. It comes as record numbers of Police Officers quit the force and knife crime continues to rise in the year to march, 4668 officers left after a voluntary resignation against a backdrop of 48,204 knife crime offences. Of 48,204 knife crime offences. Thats a 5 increase on march last year. Immigration is another challenge the government hopes to tackle as gb news data reveals that more than 25,000 migrants have crossed the engush migrants have crossed the English Channel so far this year. Something else on the home secretarys agenda is the rather contentious rwanda plan set for a battle at the Supreme Court next week. Speaking in next week. Speaking in washington, dc , Suella Braverman washington, dc, Suella Braverman argued that the 1951 Refugee Convention is too loose and hinted that the government could leave the echr any attempt to reform the Refugee Convention will see you smeared as anti refugee. Similar epithets are hurled at anyone who suggests reform of the echr or its court in strasbourg. I reject the notion that a country cannot be expected to respect human rights if it is not signed up to an International Human rights organisation. Organisation. The home secretary is expected to use her speech in manchester to boost her popularity ratings among the more right wing arm of the party ahead of a general election. Many backbench watchers fear they could lose. So are we they could lose. So are we looking at a future tory leader . One wouldnt bet against it. Pip tomson gb news heres david haig i david is a human rights lawyer on all of this. David good morning to you. The home secretary, of course she can. She can talk and she can make pronouncements. Ants, can you pronouncements. Ants, can you can you hear me okay . Can you hear me okay, david . Yes. No, i can hear you fine. Yes. No, i can hear you fine. Good man. Good man. The home secretary can say all she wants , but how will she be able to act on what she is saying . Because shes still bound by the European Court of human rights . European court of human rights . I think i think thats the thing. I mean, as you as you mentioned, youve got theres a battle coming up basically next week. Were going to the week. Were going to have the time the time when the court, the european of rights European Court of human rights is the supreme is going to sorry, the Supreme Court is going to look into the rwanda plan. So that will be early week. Know, early next week. And as we know, the sorry, im just having issues here. Apologies. Yeah, issues here. Apologies. Yeah, apologies about that. So next week, basically youre going to see the Supreme Court look into the rwanda policy. Of course , in the rwanda policy. Of course, in the rwanda policy. Of course, in the appeal, the the court of appeal, the government their. The government lost their. The situation. So that will happen early next week. Early next week. Okay. And obviously, we you know, we cant speculate about which way thats to going go, but it will be a Pivotal Moment because anticipate because we can anticipate if thatis because we can anticipate if that is unfortunate and unsuccessful from the governments point of view, theyre going to ramp up the pressure to out the pressure to pull out of the echr. You buy the argument echr. Do you buy the argument that braverman making that Suella Braverman was making in dc last week that in washington dc last week that actually just because you leave the echr doesnt mean youre going abandon your commitment going to abandon your commitment to human you look at to human rights . You look at countries new countries like canada, new zealand, america , none of whom zealand, america, none of whom have signed up to it, all of zealand, america, none of whom have sabide up to it, all of zealand, america, none of whom have sabide by to it, all of zealand, america, none of whom have sabide by anit, all of zealand, america, none of whom have sabide by an international whom abide by an international kind of code of ethics. Kind of code of ethics. Hi. I cant. I can. I cant actually hear anything. Sorry. Thats okay. Thats okay. Were having a bit of a shocker there. Dont worry. Sorry, david. Dont worry. Sorry, david. Hey, we will reconnect with him. Perhaps but what were to going do is go back to our consular, our labour councillor, brendan chilton. On, on, on all of this. Chilton. On, on, on all of this. Who is talking to us from County Durham today. Who is talking to us from County Durham today. Technological durham today. Technological nightmare for us today. Brendan so where were we last time we were talking about what were we. Well, we were just saying would labour have scrapped the northern leg of. Exactly what we were thats exactly what we were saying. Saying. Of course under labour all railways would work on time and they would be a fantastic. Exactly, know, but well exactly, you know, but the as far as im aware it is labours policy be to at the moment to maintain the current high speed line. High speed line. I do believe that the labour party are also going to be looking at the expansion of rail across the north and the midlands, because getting from one side of the country to the other is an absolute nightmare. You can get from north to south in half the time. It takes to get from east to west. And so as part of labours own levelling up agenda , i think this there up agenda, i think this there will be announcements next week, next the Party Conference. So rather than cut back on rail lines , youre actually rail lines, youre actually saying there the future we should be investing in them . Should be investing in them . Well, i think more and more people are travelling by rail now than ever before. There was a slight dip during the pandemic when we were all forced to stay at home. But rail is convenient. Its greener as well. And of course with the cost of petrol and diesel at the moment, it i think is probably cheaper to travel on rail than it is perhaps to drive. But give us an insight. Brendan, were you are in the east of the country there and durham. Ive, ive got that right. What would it be like for you . I you . I was in kent. I was in kent. I was in kent. Hes in kent, yeah. Oh dear. Stupid brent. And im really sorry about this. Somebody needs sorry about this. Somebody needs to get their head around a bit of geography in this place. So wait a minute. In wait a minute. Youre in kent . Yes yes. Yes. Right. Okay i thought. Right. Okay. So what is what is the geography like being in kent . Does that work for you . Okay rear lines being connected to the south east, south west northwest, north east. Does that all work for you . Well it does. All work for you . Well it does. Were very lucky. We have high speed one and it has been transformational for all the kent towns that it goes through. Its brought investment. Theres its brought investment. Theres been growth in the number of houses and the retail offer in the area as well. The ludic thing, of course, is that high speed one does not connect up to high speed. Two, i dont know whos responsible for the National Infrastructure planning in this country, but they deserve to be taken out and i wont say put up against a wall, but certainly fired because the connectivity of services in this country, the speed at which we get these things built and done , its an absolute disgrace when you go to places like germany, france and china, theyre miles ahead of us. And this is the country that brought the world, the Industrial Revolution and railways. Its really quite railways. Its really quite depressing to see how far were falling down League Tables when it comes to issues like this. It comes to issues like this. Brendan, thank you very much indeed. Brendan, thank you very much indeed. Really appreciate your indeed. Really appreciate your take. Sorry for the technical disorders throughout all of that, but it maybe well speak again sometime for the moment. Councillor, labour, councillor brent chilton, thank you very much indeed. And whether you are in durham orindeed and whether you are in durham or indeed in kent, never mind that. Wait a minute, were not going minute. Going on wait a minute. Well talk about trains. Well talk about trains. A fun little link. A fun little link. Yes, it was a day, but yes, it was a fun day, but you should your contain yes, it was a fun day, but you sexcitement. Your contain yes, it was a fun day, but you sexcitement. Allr contain yes, it was a fun day, but you sexcitement. All right. Rin your excitement. All right. Right. Saying right. So what im saying is, i think brandons really hit think what brandons really hit the nail on head. There is the nail on the head. There is the nail on the head. There is the of desire to invest in the lack of desire to invest in the lack of desire to invest in the future and science and technology in this country, i just think is completely embarrassing. Embarrassing. I actually reckon if rishi sunak was here, he would refute that. I think he would probably say boris, perhaps even some of his other predecessors should have scrapped hs2 a long time ago. This was apparent that it was to be expensive live was going to be expensive live and hes the one whos really pushing i and hes hosting this International Conference here in london this autumn. Thats his london this autumn. Thats his big thing. Thats technology. I is the future. So, you know , you is the future. So, you know, you could argue, well, he unless youre going to put you in a transport machine like star trek and send your molecules to glasgow, sometimes i wish i could. Yes well, you know, so you still need to get around the country. And there still needs to be an infrastructure for that. And we are just abandoning it. And the thing is , theres always these thing is, theres always these rises every month. Modern rises about every month. Modern phocis city that weve tried to build in this country. Everybody says, oh, its too dear, its too expensive. We cant do that. And whatever. And whatever. But then we just the taxes were all paying, weve got people, nurses and you think our taxes going to go down . Do you think our tax is going to go down if they get rid of hs2 . Of its not. Of hs2 . Of course its not. Of course its not. Its also depressing. Its also depressing. Depressing. Weve it is so depressing. Weve got cheerful to tell got something cheerful to tell us the forecast. Us in the forecast. Have a look. Us in the forecast. Good have a look. Us in the forecast. Good morning. Ok. Us in the forecast. Good morning. Im alex deakin. Your latest deakin. This is your latest weather met weather update from the met office for gb news. A bit of a soggy start for parts of east anglia in the south east. Generally bright and breezy generally a bright and breezy kind few showers kind of day with a few showers around. I said, pretty around. But as i said, a pretty wet for of east wet start for parts of east anglia. South east a lot of wet start for parts of east angli. And south east a lot of wet start for parts of east angli. And surface east a lot of wet start for parts of east angli. And surface watera lot of wet start for parts of east angli. And surface water on t of wet start for parts of east angli. And surface water on the spray and surface water on the roads, but that is all clearing away. Then well see some sunshine through. Plenty away. Then well see some su showers through. Plenty away. Then well see some su showers cominglrough. Plenty away. Then well see some su showers coming int0jh. Plenty away. Then well see some su showers coming into western of showers coming into western scotland quite scotland. Still quite breezy here well see a mixture of here and well see a mixture of sunshine and showers for northern north wales northern england. North wales and Northern Ireland. But much of the south east will stay of the south and east will stay dry and bright with some sunshine. Temperatures getting into teens. A into the mid to high teens. A fresher feel for most compared to yesterday. Its still quite to yesterday. Its still quite windy northern scotland, windy across northern scotland, especially elsewhere. Especially breezy elsewhere. That breeze leads down overnight. Well see a few showers drifting in, but many places will stay clear, particularly across the south and the east. Later on, though, some more wet and windy weather will come in across the highlands and the Western Isles. Temperatures will drop down into single spots. Single figures in rural spots. So a fresh start wednesday so a fresh start to wednesday for most. A bright start, though , tomorrow morning across much of the midlands and eastern england, quite a lot of cloud further north and and that further north and west. And that rain could cause some problems. It continues to feed into western scotland and that rain really building up as we go through and starting to through the day and starting to edge south. Perhaps edge further south. So perhaps arriving of the arriving across parts of the central belt into Northern Ireland england wales, ireland for england and wales, just scattered showers, just a few scattered showers, mostly central mostly in the west, many central and eastern parts will be dry and eastern parts will be dry and and temperatures and bright and temperatures again the to teens. Again in the mid to high teens. Now. Stay with us. Still to come, were going to be debating whether its time to get tough on benefits again, thinks it is. There benefits left . Are there any benefits left . Right. Well talk about that. If youre benefit and youve got youre on benefit and youve got a tell on it, let us a story to tell on it, let us know at conference yesterday, jeremy hunt, the chancellor, he was talking about cracking down on benefits. This is what he had to benefits. This is what he had to say around 100,000 people are leaving the Labour Market every year for a life on benefits. Year for a life on benefits. Mel stride gets this 100, which is why hes replacing the Work Capability assessment. And Work Capability assessment. And were going to look at the way the sanctions regime works. It isnt fair for that. Someone who refuses to look seriously for a job gets the same as someone trying their best. Well that was jeremy hunt speaking yesterday. Jeremy hunt speaking yesterday. Today were asking, is he right . Lets get the thoughts of right . Lets get the thoughts of the former labour adviser, mike buckley, who obviously disagrees. And well also speak to the medical clinician , izzy to the medical clinician, izzy montagu, who says we should actually get tougher on benefits. Good morning to both of you. If i could go to you, first of all, mike, you profoundly then disagree with what the chancellor had to say. Do you chancellor had to say. Do you think that its okay that 100,000 people a year decide to leave the workforce for a life on benefits . Yes. Well we need on benefits . Yes. Well we need to think about why those people are leaving the Labour Market first and foremost. But to go back to what jeremy hunt says, i mean, this is this is copy of what george is a carbon copy of what George Osborne was saying ago. Osborne was saying a decade ago. This conservative this is a conservative chancellor to chancellor attempting to get votes to going votes by saying, were to going be tougher benefit claimants. Be tougher on benefit claimants. And party clearly and the labour party clearly thinking theres a cohort of voters saying, voters out there who are saying, yeah, the benefit yeah, lets get the benefit claimants thats claimants because thats thats going the country going to make the country better. To the better. They try to shift the blame. Doing blame. Osborne was doing it ten years theyve then shifted years ago. Theyve then shifted on with asylum on to doing it with Asylum Seekers migrants. This a seekers and migrants. This is a government thats done a terrible think terrible job. I mean, think about has got about it. Has anything got better in the last 13 years . And now theyre trying to shift the blame onto benefit claimants again, benefit claimants have had i was just had a terrible time. I was just reading morning, got reading this morning, weve got 4 million now in poverty. 4 million kids now in poverty. Thats gone up about double, i think , since the labour party think, since the Labour Party Left labour was going to left office. Labour was going to End Child Poverty by 2020. We now have 120,000 children in extreme poverty. Thats in households where they cant afford to their they afford to heat their homes. They can afford to heat, they can hardly afford to heat, they certainly cant afford to buy shoes fit their kids. Shoes that fit for their kids. This a modern this is in britain, a modern democracy. But back to democracy. But to go back to those hundred thousand those hundred hundred thousand and when that figure is and to see when that figure is correct, is correct, my understanding is standing of those standing is that most of those people 50. Most of people are over 50. Most of those people are unwell. Theyre unwell for two reasons. One, because are because the lot of them are getting long which the getting long covid, which the government is doing nothing. Theyre because government is doing nothing. Theyrgot because government is doing nothing. Theyrgot nhs because government is doing nothing. Theyrgot nhs thatsiuse government is doing nothing. Theyrgot nhs thats ine weve got an nhs thats in crisis a waiting list of crisis and a waiting list of 8 million. These are not million. So these are not necessarily dont necessarily people that dont want to be in work. Theyre simply cannot simply people who cannot be in work because work due to ill health because theyre living in a country without Decent Health system without a Decent Health system as got got a point there mike got got a point there and always bit cautious of and im always a bit cautious of passing judgement on this because i havent ever lived off benefits and i dont think id like to put it to the test. Have you ever lived off benefits . Um, no. I havent. Ive always, you know , been brought always, you know, been brought up with the principles to work and, you know, to be able to provide. And, you know, if you dont work, then obviously theres certain things that, you know, you will have to do. You have to make sacrifices. I mean, have to make sacrifices. I mean, drawing on a lot of the points that, you know, mike made , i that, you know, mike made, i think its this people politics. I dont like this kind of grouping everybody together, not everybody who claims benefits are the same. There is a everybody who claims benefits are the same. There is a this kind of understanding that the government is responsible for everybody on benefits and everybody on benefits and everybody who claims. And thats simply not true. Where we need to go back to the understanding that we as individuals have to take some responsibility to claim that, you know, there are so many children in poverty, but where is the personal responsibility . Where is the responsibility . Where is the responsibility . Where is the responsibility of the parents . Why is it the governments , you why is it the governments, you know, responsible, responsible to look after so many of these children in poverty . We do have to break down the system. We have to look at the benefits system. And because at this moment in time, parents are just not respond possible. And then its this idea that, well, if the government is paying for children , then the government children, then the government can also tell you what to do with your children. And its just wrong. We need to teach families how to look after your own family, your own children need to bring back the standard that you know , the structure of that you know, the structure of family stability, where you are, the mum and father are responsible for raising the children, going out to work, maybe mothers in the home. Im a strong supporter that mothers should be in the home looking after the children. And we know we need fathers to be able to provide that. Provide that. Well, look, mike, izzy seems to go quite a bit further than the chancellor would. I mean, he was trying to invoke the churchill yesterday , talking churchill yesterday, talking about nobody in society should be languishing at the bottom. Theres a ladder there for those people in poverty. But is he talking about, you know, basically for basically blaming people for being poverty and taking being in poverty and taking responsibility themselves responsibility for it themselves . Well i wasnt entirely clear on what izzy was suggesting. I mean, one minute she seems to be suggesting that everybody should go out work and the should go out to work and the next she was suggesting should go out to work and the next women she was suggesting should go out to work and the next women shoulds suggesting should go out to work and the next women should be jggesting should go out to work and the next women should be stuck. Ing should go out to work and the next women should be stuck in; that women should be stuck in the house and taking care of children. I think maybe children. And i think maybe izzy ought what she ought to be clearer what she wants. Central premise wants. But her central premise that should taught that parents should be taught to take their kids. I dont take care of their kids. I dont think minute that these think for a minute that these people are People Living in poverty are not trying of their trying to take care of their kids. Course they are. Thats kids. Of course they are. Thats the responsibility. The number one responsibility. And probably the and i mean, you you probably the same youll have seen same as i have. Youll have seen interviews in recent months. Youd read news stories in youd have read news stories in recent parents recent months with parents saying, only saying, you know, im only eating so that can eating once a day so that i can feed im eating. You feed my kids or im eating. You know, im only having like two meals day, days a week meals a day, three days a week so ican meals a day, three days a week so i can feed kids. So that i can feed my kids. Parents making terrible, parents are making terrible, terrible the terrible choices because of the poverty because poverty theyre in because because benefits arent paying enough. Because benefits arent paying eno people also in work are people who are also in work and or 2 zero hours jobs and doing 1 or 2 zero hours jobs or very low rate , low paid jobs or very low rate, low paid jobs so that they do. The best so that they can do. The best that they to can feed their kids. Theyre often in circumstances fair, circumstances that, to be fair, all this call have all of us on this call have never an almost never experienced an almost certainly never will experience. It you believe but is it you just believe this whole system is this whole benefit system is broken are swinging broken and people are swinging the it and people are the lead on it and people are being encouraged . In your view , being encouraged . In your view, to get on benefits couples , as to get on benefits couples, as you would say, are pretending theyre not together. They avoid getting married because they get more benefits as a result. The state is almost discouraging people from getting married, and that must change. Because you say marriage is the bedrock of society, not the social welfare i correct . Mean its going back to what mike said about me being unclear. Im not saying everyone should, as the premise should be, that you work and provide for your families. Obviously, as a single person, i would be working as somebody as a as a mother. Yes. I do believe mothers should be looking after their children. Were paying constantly other people to look after our own children. Im after our own children. Im worried, constantly worrying at work, trying to split ourselves in halves when in fact , you in halves when in fact, you know, these children have fathers. The government are not fathers. The government are not these children fathers. To say that people are making horrible sacrifices, but without addressing why are people making these horrible sacrifices . Why these horrible sacrifices . Why are so many people in poverty . Are so many people in poverty . And it is because if you look in a lot of these homes , there a lot of these homes, there arent fathers in the homes. Theres hardly even mothers in the homes. When a mother is having to work two jobs and shes not there for when her children get home from school, it is a problem. You know, and thatis it is a problem. You know, and that is the problem. We cant blame government for that we blame the government for that we have to go back to understanding that marriage is what what we should be teaching our children and this kind of is an Old Fashioned view, but its not because we still have a view that somebody should do it. But what saying is that the what youre saying is that the government be everybodys government should be everybodys husband i okay. Izzy montagues , a okay. Izzy montagues, a parent and a medical clinician. Thank you very much indeed. Mike buckley, journalist and former labour advisor. Really appreciate it. Your thoughts and contributor to that debate. Appreciate it. Thank you. And youre right. I mean, its an interesting thing that its always about what can the government pay for . What do we ever theres never about Wealth Creation in this country. Its always about what we can pay anyone, not the government anyone, not even the government is questioning whether there should welfare state. Is questioning whether there shoild welfare state. Is questioning whether there shoild everyone state. Is questioning whether there shoild everyone accepts is questioning whether there sho i ld everyone accepts that i think everyone accepts that if youre in a civilised society, got to try society, youve got to try and do something support those do something to support those that are the poorest. Maybe as he agree that, but he doesnt agree with that, but you certainly its you know, certainly its a debate to be how far that debate to be had how far that support should go you support should go and, you know, to sure that people arent to make sure that people arent taking advantage i taking advantage of that. I think thats the key. And also just general lee, man to avoid paying for man who to avoid paying for their children, paying for their partner was, you know, whoever is the highest understand this men versus women thing. I mean theres well, theres a lot of fathers that just desert their responsibilities and arent there and dont support the children that they have created and brought into the world. But goodness me, is it a financial thing . Is it a social thing . Is it a moral thing . Your views very, very welcome. There it is on screen. On screen. Now here to lighten the mood , cheer us all the broad , cheer us all up. The broad caster paul coyte, the broadcaster. How are you . Yeah good. Arsenal will be travelling to loans. Actually theyve already travelled to loans in france. But the thing is they were stuck on the aeroplane for five hours. Why . Why . Why waiting to fly . Well, because there were storms yesterday. So to from luton yesterday. So to fly from luton , i think its probably what, 200, 300 miles . They stuck in luton for they were stuck in luton for five, could well on a plane for five, could well on a plane for five hours, probably a luxury plane. But thing the time but the thing is, the time that if theyd have just gone on the and just driven over the coach and just driven over there, they would have been there, they would have been there, have been there, they would have been relaxed, there, they would have been relaxfeel that they have to fly they feel that they have to fly by this distance. Theres a lot of will that, you of clubs that will do that, you know, the old days. Know, its like the old days. They would take a coach wherever. Probably. And whereas now you probably fly london get the fly across london to get the tape. Preserves tape. Yeah, well, it preserves their energy and everything, doesnt it . Bless them. Been a bless them. Ive been on a plane belfast london plane between belfast and london that was hit by lightning twice that was hit by lightning twice that. But is that safe, though . We were discussing earlier were discussing this earlier when a lightning when we were with a lightning because in car is the safest because in a car is the safest place hit lightning, place to be hit by lightning, i believe. Well, the plane isnt earthed on the ground, so its i think its okay. The lightning passes through it. I mean, it was a big thud. It was a big thud twice. Wow yeah. Yeah. Well, so will arsenal didnt get involved and stayed on get involved and they stayed on the united the ground. Manchester united at home turkish legendary home to the turkish legendary side galatasaray. Yeah. Sirjim side galatasaray. Yeah. Sir Jim Radcliffe now this. Oh, dear. How long have we been talking about Manchester United being sold . Now the latest talk is sold . Now the latest talk is that the glazers may be selling 25 less. Sir jim that the glazers may be selling 25 less. Sirjim ratcliffe that the glazers may be selling 25 less. Sir jim ratcliffe. 25 less. Sir jim ratcliffe. Theyre the man behind any congress at all, is it . Well, i mean, hes so many. Hes got his handsin mean, hes so many. Hes got his hands in so many sporting pies. Its Manchester United is the one that you really wants. Part of. He wanted to buy the whole thing. Then the price went up. And then there about and then there was what, about six different seen six different bids weve seen over years. So now over the past two years. So now theres talk that it might be 25 alone, you know 25 here alone, but you know what . I wouldnt hang my hat on it its taking it it because its just taking it for Wilfried Zaha , tanguy for ages. Wilfried zaha, tanguy and dumbbell, who for and dumbbell, who play for spurs as playing for as well, both playing for galletas so never galletas sorry. So you never know what Manchester Uniteds going you know going to turn up, do you know what used to play united what you used to play for united as he as well . So its as he did as well . So its a homecoming for him. Of homecoming for him. But of course there plenty of course hes been there plenty of times with crystal palace, luton, burnley well times with crystal palace, lu the burnley well times with crystal palace, lu the premier well times with crystal palace, lu the premier league. Well times with crystal palace, lu the premier league. I well times with crystal palace, lu the premier league. I do ell times with crystal palace, lu the premier league. I do want in the premier league. I do want to ryder cup, to mention the ryder cup, though. Theres though. Why . Because theres a lot of now about luke lot of talk now about luke donald and what a brilliant captain hes because hes captain hes been because hes had and hes hes really galvanised the squad. He they galvanised the squad. He they want him to be the captain again. Well, its a place called bethpage. You think it was actually a person. But bethpage in new york is where 2025 ryder cup is going to take part take place. Got the job place. He only got the job because of Henrik Stenson going to liv golf and weve had rory whos been saying all these liv golfers not going to be involved again. But the way he did it, not only was he very serious, its about the build up. There its about the build up. There was a lot of fun as well. Pyjama parties. And what he was doing was when the golfers would go back, i this a lovely back, i mean, this is a lovely touch, would leave touch, is that he would leave a note beds with a little note on the beds with a little dad joke on stenson would no, no. This is what this is what luke donald was doing. Well, luke, donald, luke, donald as captain, he left. He left. Captain, he left. Littleft. Captain, he left. Little joke and ive one. Little joke and ive got one. Have you . Would you. Would have you . Yeah. Would you. Would you like to hear it . Right. Right. Isabel, youll okay. Isabel, i think youll like bad dad like this. This is a bad dad joke donald. And this joke from luke donald. And this went think, shane lowry, went, i think, to shane lowry, and goes like this, and it and it goes like this, and it says , if youre an american in says, if youre an american in the living room, what are you in the living room, what are you in the bathroom . So if youre an the bathroom . So if youre an american in the living room , american in the living room, what are you in the bathroom . An american european, youre up euannein american european, youre up elianne in the bathroom. It took elianne in the bathroom. It took me ages to get it. If youre going to the back european, youre not. Youre a dancer. Youre european. Youre european. What are you doing in the bathroom . P european. P european. Sounds like youre a peeing. Youre. Thanks, juicy. Thanks, juicy. If youre in the bathroom, youre peeing european boom. Youre a peeing european boom. The first. What do you think . The first. What do you think . Do you like that one . Do you like that one . The first time i ever heard the word bathroom. Um. Meaning toilet . Yes. Yes. Right. Right. In polite circles. Was loo in polite circles. Was loo in polite circles. Yeah , it was the. Yeah, it was the. Yeah, it was the. It was osmonds came up to it was the osmonds came up to me, and it was in belfast and i was interviewed. Hold on. The osmonds came up to you . Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Said me. Excuse and they said to me. Excuse me. You have a bathroom we me. Do you have a bathroom we could use . Youre like, would you and youre like, would you like theres a like a bath . Theres only a toilet. Yeah, but of toilet. Yeah, yeah. But of course, thats american word. Because you america because if you go to america and you could you show me and you say, could you show me where a toilet is . A where the toilet a toilet is . A receptacle a room. So receptacle is not a room. So thats where things start getting you tell me getting it. Hey, can you tell me wheres bathroom . To wheres the bathroom . I want to use bathroom. Use the bathroom. You mean by toilet is not. If you say wheres the toilet . You would just be saying where the actual thing . Yeah, where is the actual thing . Yeah, the toilet, the actual recept receptacle. Yes. Receptacle. Ive never used the word receptacle. Used it twice. Ive got a urinal once for my bathroom. It built into my. I see youve got a built in urinal. Yeah. It was a very bad its a long trough one or just the singular. Its a tall trough one really tall trough. Of those ones with was it one of those ones with the. We did have a lot sons at we did have a lot of sons at one yeah. But it was one stage. Yeah. But it was really because youve really bad idea because youve got running got to keep water running through smells done. Through it to get smells done. The little thing do you put the little thing in there. The little little thing, the little soapy thing in there . Wouldnt yeah, but i wouldnt recommend it. Seen those ive never seen one of those in house ever. In a house ever. Well, was man. You well, i was that man. You were we come. Were there we come. Finally tribute to finally special tribute to franny lee. Rest man. Franny lee. Rest in peace, man. Who invented the toilet roll. As far were concerned. But a far as were concerned. But a fantastic footballer passed yesterday. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank youstay with us. Excuse im stay with us. Excuse me. Im going have to cough. You may going to have to cough. You may have youre have to read this or youre supposed go. Supposed to go. So that was the i cant read this, eric morecambe, can you try cough . Try to cough . Hurry hope were hurry up. Hope were not making embarrassed. Making you embarrassed. Well, sorry, can i really . Well, sorry, can i really . Sorry. Can i stop . Sorry. Can i stop . Sorry. Can i stop . There you go. There you go. Hows there you go. Hows that . Okay thank you. Thank you. The education secretary is planning ban all mobile planning to ban all mobile phones in schools to combat disruption. So. And about disruption. So. And about blooming time, we say have another cough. Theyre lovely. Another cough. Theyre lovely. Next. One 7 45 is the time. The news youre waking up to on this tuesday morning. The second part of the Public Inquiry into the Coronavirus Response in britain starts later, focusing on core Decision Making and political governance. Rishi sunak has failed to hand over his whatsapp messages from his time as chancellor to the inquiry, despite the High Court Ruling that ministers should disclose their communications. And their communications. And a civil fraud case against the former us president , donald trump has begun in new york. Trumps accused of inflating the value of his assets by billions of dollars to secure better loan and insurance terms. Its one of a number of legal battles the former president is facing while remaining a front runner in the polls to be the republican president ial candidate. But speaking outside candidate. But speaking outside the mr trump claimed the courtroom, mr trump claimed hes the single hes a victim of the single biggest of all time. Biggest witch hunt of all time. A Second Police force is investigating allegations against russell brand. In against russell brand. In a statement, Thames Valley confirmed it has received new information relating to harassing and stalking dating back to 2018. They added that officers are currently reviewing the information available. Russell brand denies the allegations. And we are going allegations. And we are going through the papers this morning in the company of the political consultant for huffpost online, Kevin Schofield , and joining us Kevin Schofield, and joining us in the studio. Sorry, i dont know where were going with the autocue. Im going to read it off here. Derek lord, author and businessman. Welcome of businessman. Welcome to both of you. Much you. Kevin thank you very much for joining us. And i to forjoining us. And i want to start with you. And i were start with you. Amy and i were discussing makeup, discussing this in makeup, actually, about sewage actually, the story about sewage this its the mail this morning. Its in the mail page as were page 12 and anger as were seeing water bills rise and were effectively being asked to pay were effectively being asked to pay as customers for this sewage disgrace. And reservoirs that they all should have been digging as well and all sorts of things. Kevin, what do these companies do besides just taking profit. Besides just taking profit. Well, youre absolutely right. I mean, you can understand why billpayers are absolutely furious this morning. You know , people are unhappy you know, people are unhappy with the service that theyre getting and now getting right now. And now theyre being told theyre going to to pay and run about to have to pay and run about £156 a year extra. And as you £156 a year extra. And as you say, on their bills, but also to clear up the mess effectively that the Water Companies have created in terms of sewage and pumped into rivers and to water, not building enough capacity. Meanwhile water bosses are taking out huge salaries and huge bonuses. So you can huge bonuses. So you can absolutely understand why the idea that theyre going to start whacking bills up by £156 a year is causing quite a lot of anger i them actually have to refund customers over the next year or so through through not providing proper services. Well itd be proper services. Well itd be nice to think so , but as you can nice to think so, but as you can imagine , theyre very reluctant imagine, theyre very reluctant to be doing that. Its all really take, take, take, isnt it . And in terms of the bills, they only seem to be heading in one direction and it comes on top of all the other aspects of the cost of living crisis, winter just around the corner. Are we looking at Higher Energy bills as well . And so, yeah, people are understandably, i think, pretty frustrated from Water Companies and sewage to other gutter matters. Other gutter matters. People at home may make that link. The guardian front page reflecting on trump and his latest court case, derek indeed, and this is a very interesting story on on multiple levels because i think the bigger question is whether or not in pubuc question is whether or not in public life truth matters. Public life truth matters. As i think we decided here in the United Kingdom not so long ago that it does, which is why bofis ago that it does, which is why Boris Johnson resign. And Boris Johnson had to resign. And does matter in the united does it matter in the United States america . But other states of america . But the other thing that i think is very interesting about this story is that dealt with that its being dealt with as a civil offence in the United States of america. I think its very likely if that was in the United Kingdom, this the this this this case, it would be a criminal matter because the way in which. So he cant go to jail for this. He cannot go to jail for it. But also which is strange to me too, he doesnt even have to appear for during. The during appear for during. The during the court case itself , if the court case itself, if evidence and the and the arguments can be heard without him there. And then any kind of findings only apply. By two to new york. Nowhere else in the United States of america. It is a most peculiar judicial system i what about phones in schools , kevin the times are reporting this on on on page seven. Gillian keegan , the education gillian keegan, the education secretary, shes going to make an announcement about this. This an announcement about this. This yeah. So theres a bit of deja vu about this story. I seem to remember Gavin Williamson when he was education secretary, saying exactly the same thing. Its a bit of a hardly perennial story. Gillian keegan yeah, here at the conservative conference is going to announce that shes going to ban mobile phones from schools. The devil though, is in the detail. This is just guidance that that shes going to be issuing. So schools , if to be issuing. So schools, if they want, can actually ignore it. Although i feel that most schools probably do already. But on kids from taking mobile phones in class because obviously its hugely disruptive to the teacher. Now what Michelle Keegan is saying that if schools do ignore this guidance , then she will look to guidance, then she will look to introduce legislation which would then put it on a statutory footing. But again , thats footing. But again, thats a very lengthy process and were less than a year out probably from a general election. So it probably wouldnt be time even to get it on the statute book. So it feels like an announcement thats been made because there are desperate to get a news line for the tory Party Conference rather than it being any major and innovative policy. And innovative policy. Yeah, i think you mean gillian keegan. Its an easy, easy mistake to make. Easy mistake to make. Michelle keegan that doesnt m atter. Kevin matter. Kevin can we talk . In fact , kevin can we talk . In fact, derek, lets go to you on this one. And this is idris elba admitting yesterday something which i think is quite interesting, and i think its something that dont possibly something that we dont possibly talk much, and talk about in society much, and thats ive got a thats workaholics. Ive got a few of those in my family and he says hes been getting therapy for that. Tell us more. Yes theres a wonderful, dashing photograph of idris elba. Photograph of idris elba. I dont suspect that he takes a bad photograph off and he is talking about the fact that hes beenin talking about the fact that hes been in therapy now for over a year because he is a workaholic and hes not alone in fact, i think its 4 in 10 people in the United Kingdom claims to be a workaholic. But the thing thats interesting to me about this story is. That 32. 7 of people story is. That 32. 7 of people that claim to be workaholics have also been diagnosed with adhd. And so there is a very adhd. And so there is a very bigger problem and connection and connection rather than just being workaholics. Yeah , very, very interesting. Yeah, very, very interesting. Yeah, very, very interesting. This and hes just finished a series on netflix called hijack , which was very, very good. It has to be said. But will we get to benefit from his ovennorking . We do, but from his ovennorking . We do, but a lot of actors would be like that. There are a lot look at tom cruise. Well, i do think acting probably is kind of cut out to create great workaholics because you neglect your personal life. Youre not in the same place all the time. You dont have the kind routines fall off kind of routines you fall off the conveyor belt. Of that to you dont have any of that to fall back on. You say, then you and as you say, then you become yesterdays news. So you have going. Have to keep going. Yeah. Have to keep going. Yeaisee, derek, were all you see, derek, were all defined we so, you defined by what we do. So, you know, youre. We are know, whether youre. We are defined we do. Know, whether youre. We are def yes. We do. Know, whether youre. We are deers. No. We do. Yes. No. Yes. No. Excuse me. Listen to on excuse me. Listen to me on this. Mean. This. Right. 1. This. Right. So if you are isabel to the taxi driver, you go into the pub or whatever. Thats isabel. Shes driver. Isabel. Shes the taxi driver. Thats isabel. Shes the chief executive. Whatever. Whatever. Thats isabel. Shes the chief ex happens nhatever. Whatever. Thats isabel. Shes the chief ex happens to atever. Whatever. Thats isabel. Shes the chief ex happens to be. er. Whatever. Thats isabel. Shes the chief ex happens to be. So whatever. Thats isabel. Shes the chief ex happens to be. So whiare er. It happens to be. So we are defined by what we do. And when you dont do anything, then you just become a non person. So we have to hold on to an identity as to what you might be a workaholic by all accounts, even i think that you are right. We are defined by what we do and the one thing that is really important, i think, to understand now is that wherever you are in the world, your work follows you. That didnt always used to be the case. So people are constantly on their emails. People are constantly on their mobile phones. People are constantly doing zoom teams and so on and so forth, and i think that this is one of the reasons why the number of people that actually claim to be workaholics is actually on the rise. Kevin i just want to bring kevin into this debate because, you our industry, but you know, in our industry, but i think particularly amongst political journalists , theres a political journalists, theres a lot workaholics arent there lot of workaholics arent there some people who just dont have an switch . Its just this an off switch . Its just this treadmill. And actually, you treadmill. And actually, if you look news agenda, treadmill. And actually, if you looipolitical news agenda, treadmill. And actually, if you looipolitical agendavs agenda, treadmill. And actually, if you looipolitical agenda ofagenda, treadmill. And actually, if you looipolitical agenda of the|da, treadmill. And actually, if you looipolitical agenda of the last the political agenda of the last pretty the referendum pretty much since the referendum , it has been relentless, hasnt it . It . Yeah, i probably put my hands up and say im pretty guilty of it myself, much to my familys annoyance at times. But yeah, you just cant switch off because right. Politics because youre right. Politics is pretty crazy right now and has been for several years and there is no off switch. It just keeps coming. And im speaking to you from the conservative Party Conference. You know, its just a 24 hour job these days. You had constant early a you had constant early on a deadune. You had constant early on a deadline. Youre looking at deadline. Youre looking at social media. Youre just keeping eye on just keeping your eye on stories just coming left, and centre. Coming left, right and centre. And difficult at times to and it is difficult at times to try and switch off, really. But you have to try, especially for your familys sake , as much as your familys sake, as much as for your own Mental Health. Really but is very, very really but it is very, very difficult. Difficult. Word 30s derek on on a quick word 30s derek on on the job. Someone who has claimed the job. Someone who has claimed the job. Someone who has claimed the job of lady chiefjustice the job. Someone who has claimed the job of lady chief justice , the job of lady chief justice, dame sue carr, the first lady, chief justice. This is a very important development. Development. Since the 13th century weve had lord chiefjustices today since the 13th century weve had lord chief justices today , had lord chief justices today, may we have our first ever lady chief justice. And its a great day to celebrate the advancement of women in every area of society. And the one other thing society. And the one other thing i would say about this, which is why its important to me, is that this is a biological woman because were going to actually reach stage this country, reach the stage in this country, one day when these the people that get these appointments may not necessarily have been born biologically. Biologically. Interesting debate. Thank you interesting debate. Thank you both very much indeed for all of that. Kevin and derek, the guys will be back in about 40 minutes time and well have lots more for you coming up at 8 00 from the conservative Party Conference in manchester. Dont go anywhere. Thank. In an aim to bring back , as he in an aim to bring back, as he puts it, common sense to the health service. Also at the conference, the future of hs2. Two it remains the divisive subject are reports that the Prime Minister will announce in his keynote speech that the final leg to manchester will be axed. But rishi sunak will be axed. But rishi sunak and loyal conservative mps remain tight lipped once again today, which is becoming very irritating. So im not sure that decision has been made. That decision hasnt been made. You asked about embarrassment. What im not embarrassed about this not embarrassed about is this Prime Minister the right Prime Minister does the right thing the basis of the thing on the basis of the evidence, coolly, calmly , evidence, coolly, calmly, unemotionally , but with unemotionally, but with backbench mps, the tory mayor of the West Midlands condemning the move could there be a tory civil war brewing . Our deputy Political Editor tom hannood can answer that. Tom hannood can answer that. Its never an easy ride for a Prime Minister whos behind in the polls, but this Prime Minister appears to believe there might be more electoral mileage in backing drivers and buses than expensive high speed trains. Clearly this will be a contentious issue and its been hanging over this conference for the last three days. Might it be brought to a head tomorrow . Well find out if youre a james bond fan, you could grab yourself a piece of film history as items belonging to sir roger moore. Go up for auction tomorrow. But but at what price do you need . Deep pockets. Well let need . Deep pockets. Well let you know in just a bit with an exclusive preview. And alex deakin will have your latest weather forecast. Your latest weather forecast. Bit of a wet start in places this morning, but most of us will have a bright and breezy day. Therell be some sunshine. There will also be a fair few showers. Join me later for a full forecast. And as always, paul coyte is here with all the latest from the world of sport. Theres a collective sigh of relief on the kings road today as chelsea win a game of football. Wonderful news for them. And also, ive got an interesting story. The snooker player in non regulated trousers. What if there theres such a thing as regulation regulation trousers. Oh yeah, yeah. Turn up in the wrong trousers. Do you have to wear a waistcoat or is that just. You know what, thats very interesting. I think you do have to wear a waistcoat. Back in the old days, you could wear a normal tie, especially in a lounge suit. Whereas now its got tie, wrong got to be bow tie, wrong trousers, trouble. I like stretch. Youve i like that stretch. Youve got with one leg on the got to do with one leg on the floor. Yeah. Snooker table and then one foot. One foot on the floor always one foot on the floor at yeah. At all times. Yeah. And you can bend the and then you can bend the other leg up onto the table. Yes i did that once. Oh. Did you once. Do we have photographic evidence trousers. Did you, evidence trousers. Oh. Did you, did you know this. Did you know theres also a law against split trousers as well regulation. Trousers well as regulation. Trousers will dr. Frame for will you. Were you dr. Frame for that . If there isnt, there should be. Fonnard to talking look fonnard to talking about that you ever split that later. Have you ever split your over a snooker your trousers over a Snooker Table . Us know. Views or table . Let us know. Gb views or gbnews. Com table . Let us know. Gb views or gb news. Com tweet at. Gbnews. Com or you can tweet at. Gbnews. Com or you can tweet at. Gb news. Well, as a conservative civil war brewing, more reports of the imminent axing of hs2 northwards. There are reports northwards. There are reports that the Prime Minister will confirm this tomorrow. He says confirm this tomorrow. He says its in a bid to save the taxpayer billions of pounds in rising costs and instead invest some of that in local infrastructure in the north of england. Well, lets get some analysis on all of this from our deputy Political Editor, tom hannood. Listen tom, despite all of these reports and all of the noise and almost out, you know, out overshadowing the chancellors speech yesterday, the Prime Minister saying he will not be put under pressure to make this announcement. But lets be announcement. But lets be honest, he is under huge pressure. I mean, one suspects he didnt want to mention it in his speech at all tomorrow, that he wanted it in the autumn statement. And here he is talking this morning saying, im not just going to announce it to please editors. It is interesting. It seems the government might have lost control of the narrative on this issue and have done for some time. But on the other hand, clearly what we have been seeing over the last days andindeed been seeing over the last days and indeed weeks now is some pitch rolling on this issue. Clearly, the number 10 and indeed the Prime Minister didnt think that this was something that could be announced out of the blue and instead weve seen allies of the Prime Minister, everyone from transport ministers to William Hague , who ministers to William Hague, who of course was the mentor of the Prime Minister his predecessor in the seat of richmond , in the seat of richmond, yorkshire, coming out saying, hang on, this project is a bit of a white elephant. Its getting as getting very expensive as originally was going 32 originally was going to cost 32 billion. Now its costing more north £100 billion. And weve north of £100 billion. And weve seen this very clear and precise pitch rolling over the past few days with ministers across the conservative party asking whether or not this is value for money. That gives some political leeway. Then for the Prime Minister to say, ive looked at this, ive looked at sort of the crossed eyes and or crossed ts and dotted eyes. I should say, and dotted eyes. I should say, and come to the conclusion that this does not make financial sense, this does not add value for money. Thats probably going to be what the Prime Minister says tomorrow. But in all likelihood, hes already made this decision. Yet ministers continue view with this fiction that hes still poring over the fine details of this decision. In between the fringe events and shaking hands and all the rest of it that goes on at conservative Party Conference. But we have heard ministers continually make this argument and avoid the question , just as and avoid the question, just as michael gove told Camilla Tominey on her sunday Morning Programme on gb news. I agree that weve been too london centric in the past and thats why we have a Long Term Plan for levelling up. So with lots of different. So you think that hs2 should go to manchester then . Well, i think levelling up involves doing many more things. Then . Well, i think levelling up inanive doing many more things. Then . Well, i think levelling up inanive doing npositione things. Then . Well, i think levelling up inanive doing nposition on1ings. Give us your position on that. Should it go to manchester . I think manchester . Well, i think we need make that were need to make sure that were getting absolute value for money. You must able money. Come on. You must be able to opinion on whether it to have an opinion on whether it should go to manchester or not. I absolutely most i absolutely think the most important making sure important thing is making sure that when we level up, we take into account all of the things that to do. So weve that we need to do. So weve shifted council funding, shifted arts council funding, but to manchester but should it go to Manchester Research Development Research and Development Funding . Well were going to have to. Not . Should it not . Should it not . It should it have to will it should it have to look at every conceivable pound that spend on transport in that we spend on transport in order make sure we get order to make sure that we get value money . Value for money . Answer to the question not an answer to the question whether should go whether you think it should go to manchester. To manchester or. And there we have it. The value for money argument. Again, ispoke value for money argument. Again, i spoke to the rail and transport minister rick holden yesterday, was saying that yesterday, who was saying that they need to kick tracks all they need to kick the tracks all they need to kick the tracks all the along to make that the way along to make sure that its for money. This its all value for money. This is clearly been the theme of the conversation and perhaps its going to be easier for the Prime Minister to make this announcement of this announcement after all of this paraphernalia it paraphernalia beforehand than it would have been out of the blue. Ill you what, tom. Ill tell you what, tom. There must be some doctors, there must be some spin doctors, absolute tearing their hair out. First at the weekend, it first of all, at the weekend, it felt like a rerun of the Leaders Debate with hopefuls wanting to take job. Some debate with hopefuls wanting to take in job. Some debate with hopefuls wanting to take in the job. Some debate with hopefuls wanting to take in the future. Ob. Some debate with hopefuls wanting to take in the future. Then some debate with hopefuls wanting to take in the future. Then we ne debate with hopefuls wanting to take in the future. Then we had point in the future. Then we had an internal row about whether there tax then there should be tax cuts. Then weve had this hs2 debacle and then had liz truss then weve had liz truss attracting more than attracting more attention than any keynote speeches any of the keynote speeches yesterday. Wonder theyve yesterday. So no wonder theyve gone for some red meat in the Health Secretarys speech today, front of the telegraph, something pretty much all something that pretty much all conservatives will agree on, transgender be banned transgender women to be banned from female wards. Red meat was an unfortunate phrase. Oh, sorry. I thought but to make i thought there but to make that link. Yeah what you mean. Over to you, tom. Over to you, tom. Quickly speaking of red meat, the energy secretary, claire coutinho, was talking about meat bansin coutinho, was talking about meat bans in her speech yesterday. That was a lot of red meat for the Party Faithful here in manchester. Lots of question marks over who exactly was proposing this meat ban. She seemed to suggest that it was the labour party, although in reality, think can find reality, i think you can find some of meat some suggestions of meat restrictions restricting measures in the in the carbon budget processing , saying that, budget processing, saying that, of course the Prime Minister referred to in his net zero announcement not so long ago. Announcement not so long ago. But i suppose all of these things do feed into a narrative here in manchester that there is being that a pivot is taking place perhaps from a Prime Minister who was mr stable, mr steady the tracks and calm everything down to someone who is changing himself into more of a change candidate trying to find these wedge issues between the conservative party and the labour party. Rishi sunak does not want people like me and people across the media to continue to say that there is no difference between the conservative party and the labour party. And clearly on labour party. And clearly on these issues, whether its the environment, whether its the issue of meat or Rail Infrastructure or indeed transgender issues. Now there is transgender issues. Now there is clearly some we have some more gb views and by the Prime Minister and indeed his cabinet. But can i just ask you, speaking of you and i know you burn the midnight oil and you attend all of these fringe events and, you know, lots of journalism these at journalism happens at these at these as well. What is these parties as well. What is these parties as well. What is the mood at conference this year . I mean, the prime was busy trying us. Its buoyant. Trying to tell us. Its buoyant. Everybodys, know, optimist everybodys, you know, optimist about next year. The media on the other hand, is saying theres huge rows. Its infighting. Everyones jostling infighting. Everyones jostling for position. Which is it . I for position. Which is it . I think its a bit of both. Clearly, this is not the same funereal atmosphere that there was last year at the conservative partys conference in birmingham. Remember at that time the Prime Minister had made a humiliating u turn on day two of the conference and indeed the tories had been plunging in the polls. There are people who you can speak to here in manchester who see this this narrow path to victory. Thats the phrase that so many around prime so many around the Prime Minister use , the sort of minister will use, the sort of the path is set there, but also at the same time, this is clearly a beauty parade of those who might want to take on the leadership , take on the leadership, take on the leadership, take on the leadership of the conservative party after the next election , party after the next election, should the party lose power. And should the party lose power. And clearly that has been a big, big theme. We mentioned earlier, of course, liz trusss growth rally, 200 people turned away from from that rally on the fringes of this conference. More people turning up to see that, of course, hosted by our very own Liam Halligan more people turned up to see that than any cabinet ministers speech. So far. And similarly, there has been some sort of joyful senses, not least at the Gb News Party last night, where priti patel, liz truss and nigel farage were all dancing the night away on the dance floor. And were you there, tom, to witness this . Certainly was. Im running on about three hours sleep. Oh, well, we wouldnt expect anything less. Thanks very much indeed. Well, the home secretary today is set to make her speech at conference. This as one of the key figures, one of the big beasts in the tory party. Police numbers, crime rates, untackled lawbreaking set to be top of the concerns. Pip tomson with more. Concerns. Pip tomson with more. Home secretary Suella Braverman will speak at the conservative Party Conference later as the government tries to get to grips with some of the issues affecting the country. It comes as record numbers of Police Officers quit the force and knife crime continues to rise in the year to march, 4668 officers left after a voluntary resignation in against a backdrop of 48,204 knife crime offences. Thats a 5 increase offences. Thats a 5 increase on march last year. Us immigration is another challenge the government hopes to tackle as gb news data reveals that more than 25,000 migrants have crossed the English Channel so far this year. Something else on the home secretarys agenda is the home secretarys agenda is the rather contentious rwanda plan set for a battle at the Supreme Court next week. Supreme court next week. Speaking in washington, dc , speaking in washington, dc, Suella Braverman argued that the 1951 Refugee Convention is too loose and hinted that the government could leave the echr any attempt to reform the Refugee Convention will see you smeared as anti refugee. Similar epithets are hurled at anyone who suggests reform of the echr or its court in strasbourg. I reject the notion strasbourg. I reject the notion that a country cannot be expected to respect human rights if it is not signed up to an International Human rights organisation. Organisation. Then the home secretarys expect to use her speech in to manchester boost her popularity ratings among the more right wing arm of the party ahead of a general election. Many backbenchers fear they could lose. So are we looking at a future tory leader . One wouldnt bet against it. Pip tomson gb news well, thats what the home secretary will be talking about i here is the director of what is called the sanctuary foundation, dr. Krish kandiah, and chris, yours is a charity that supports refugees and welcomes them into the country. Your job welcomes them into the country. Yourjob must welcomes them into the country. Your job must be welcomes them into the country. Yourjob must be made more difficult with pronouncements as were to going hear today from the home secretary definitely it will be. I was speaking i was speaking at a seminar yesterday around refugee education, and we were hearing how children watching the news who have these are kids that have come from ukraine are watching and feeling that theyre not welcome in this country , that theyre not wanted country, that theyre not wanted here. Theyre the kids that we opened our doors to , opened our opened our doors to, opened our homes to. But the news keeps telling them theyre not welcome here. And its the home secretary making that secretary thats making that announcement to them each day. Yeah. What would you say today . I mean, i could imagine this as a reality. Therell be this as a reality. Therell be people listening on radio and watching on tv today who will not welcome me interviewing you. Its almost as if, you know, people like you should disappear, not be there for that. You would be an encouragement, almost for people coming in to the country. What would you say to those people. Would you say to those people. Well, an unprecedented number of people in britain open their homes to help ukrainians. We are able to show hospitality to people that need it. Able to show hospitality to people that need it. Im a foster parent. I lock my door every night because i must make sure the kids in my care are keep safe. But if theres a need keep safe. But if theres a need for a child to have safe sanctuary, my door gets opened and the child comes in. I believe were a nation full of compassion. And when we meet compassion. And when we meet people like the ukrainians who need our help , if they can find need our help, if they can find safety and comfort in our homes , how much of this is about the home secretary put pushing or framing herself as a future conservative party leader . I conservative party leader . I think its a lot about that. This week she talked about a 780 Million People that might be coming to the uk that was a fabricated number. She added up all the populations of every nafion all the populations of every nation that had any issue with womens rights that included afghanistan. Even now we know in afghanistan. Even now we know in the world most displaced people stay very close to the countries where they were born in. So, for example, syrians mostly moved to jordan. They didnt come to the uk, so there is no way that 780 Million People are coming to britain. It was a fabricated britain. It was a fabricated number to generate outrage and to bolster her bid to be party leader. I believe so, yeah. And when you get down to all of this, i mean, this is a speech, obviously for the membership. What do you think amongst general society, the general populace and things about pulling out of the European Court of human rights, for instance . Do you think for instance . Do you think theres an appetite for that . Theres an appetite for that . I think its probably 5050. I think some people have been listening to the rhetoric from the home secretary that fear mongering and theyre worried. Theyre blaming young immigrants for the fact that they cant get a gp appointment or theyre struggling to get housing. Actually, the reverse is true. Immigration is the reason we have a functioning nhs right now. But other people think , you now. But other people think, you know what, my human rights are too important to be trashed over a political debate that actually we need someone to hold our government to account. The human rights act was put into place right after the Second World War when the were killing jewish people and it gave rise to things like the nuremberg trials, where a country could be held to account for how it treated its citizens. I think coming out of Something Like thatis coming out of Something Like that is a huge overreaction to what is indeed actually a small problem. 40,000 people coming to problem. 40,000 people coming to the uk on a small boat that is too many people coming on a small boat. But in the grand scheme of things, its only 6 of net migration. Of net migration. Dr. There will just as a final point , dr. There will just as a final point, you know, a lot of people will think that one person coming into the country is too much. And its obviously not a popular manoeuvre. The not a popular manoeuvre. The government see that its a vote winner. If they can get the boats down, which they havent been able to do so far, but your foundation, its got a beautiful word attached to it that beautiful word is sanctuary. I think sanctuary is a marvellous word. What does it in effect mean for those people who you look after or try to look after or welcome initially to these shores. Shores. I remember opening our home for a. Party for november the for a. Party for november the 5th bonfire night and we invited some ukrainian families to come round and wed warned them there would be some loud noises. And yet when the children came, as soon as they heard any explosion , any any noise from the fireworks , they hid under the fireworks, they hid under the tables, they were absolutely terrified by what was going on because of the bombs that had dropped on kyiv. They were absolutely shattered. But but now these children are integrate in our schools. Theyre flourishing. Theyve got flourishing. Theyve got friends. My daughter was playing with a little ukrainian girl the other day and she was twirling around. I said, what are you doing . She said, were playing sisters, sang actuary gives people the opportunity to rebuild their lives, rebuild friendships, to find love and compassion and to have a new life again. And its wonderful. Ive seen so many people make that possible. People that have never worked with refugees before opening their hearts and homes. Its an incredible privilege. Doctor Chris Skudder a privilege to talk to you. Thank you very much indeed. I thank you very much indeed. I just want to ask people listening and watching what do you think of what the doctor does . Should he be doing it . Should he be encouraged to do it . Is there a need for him, whether you agree with migration or immigration or not, or illegal immigration or not, what should there be . People like dr. Krish kandiah there or or do you think shouldnt be encouraged . Heres alex deakin. Encouraged . Heres alex deakin. Go good morning im alex deakin. This is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. A bit of a soggy start for parts of east anglia in the southeast, for parts of east anglia in the southeast , but generally for parts of east anglia in the southeast, but generally a bnght southeast, but generally a bright and breezy kind of day with a few showers around. But as pretty wet start as i said, a pretty wet start for parts of east anglia. The south east a lot of spray and surface water on the roads, but that clearing away. Then that is all clearing away. Then well see some coming well see some sunshine coming through. Showers through. Plenty of showers coming into western scotland. Still here and still quite breezy here and well mixture of sunshine well see a mixture of sunshine and for northern and showers for northern england. North wales and northern but of Northern Ireland. But much of the and east will stay dry the south and east will stay dry and bright with some sunshine. Temperatures getting into the mid teens , a fresher mid to high teens, a fresher feel for most compared to yesterday. Quite yesterday. Its still quite windy across northern scotland, especially elsewhere. Especially breezy elsewhere. That breeze leads down overnight. Well see a few showers drifting in, but many places will stay clear, particularly across the south and the east later on, though, some more wet and windy weather will come in across the highlands and the west and isles. Temperatures will drop down into single figures in rural so a fresh start to rural spots. So a fresh start to wednesday for most. A bright start, though, tomorrow morning across much of midlands and across much of the midlands and eastern england. Quite a lot of cloud further north and west. And rain could cause some and that rain could cause some problems. That continues feed problems. That continues to feed into rain into western scotland. That rain really building up as we go through day and starting to through the day and starting to edge further south. So perhaps arriving across of the arriving across parts of the central into for northern central belt into for Northern Ireland england and wales, just central belt into for northern infewd england and wales, just central belt into for northern infew scatteredi and wales, just central belt into for northern infew scattered showers, es, just central belt into for northern infew scattered showers, mostly a few scattered showers, mostly in the west, central and in the west, many central and eastern be dry and eastern parts will be dry and bnght eastern parts will be dry and bright temperatures again in bright and temperatures again in the teens. The mid to high teens. Still to come, weve got a licence to thrill for you this morning. Morning. And every morning someone could say we have an exclusive look at james bond memorabilia look atjames bond memorabilia with sir roger moores private collection. Its for your eyes only. Thats n ext next welcome back. Thanks for your company this morning. We are talking all things bond now bond fans are gearing up to see if they can own a slice of 007 film history items belonging to sir roger moore. And these can be everyday items. These can be pans belonging to him, writing sets and network catalogue. Oh, sorry. A network. Oh, sorry. A network. It used to be a knitwear model. Oh, so we did. So the knitting patterns that people would get. And then you could would get. And then you could knit the roger moore jumper. Weird. Anyway, its going up for auction on the 4th of october in london at the deputy chairman of the auctioneers bonhams us a little bonhams has given us a little look at some of those items going the hammer. So this going under the hammer. So this year marks the 50th anniversary of sir roger playing james bond for the very first time in live and let die at. And he died, sadly, five years ago, and his family felt this was the right time to give his fans the world over a chance to on some of these lots. To bid on some of these lots. There are so many unique items in this sale and from james bond interest. I think for me, this coat behind me, which is a chesterfield coat that he wore in his first film, live and let die and in fact, in the very first scene, you see him coming out of jfk airport wearing the coat and he gets in a taxi on his way to see the villain of the film, mr big, or one of the most important lots in the sale is this bond, omega is this james bond, Omega Seamaster. Watch which is a limited edition number, but its actually unique because it was given to sir roger 50th given to sir roger on the 50th anniversary of franchise by anniversary of the franchise by Barbara Broccoli and michael g. Wilson. They are, of course wilson. And they are, of course , the producers of the bond franchise and engraved on the back of the strap actually says to roger, with love from barbara and michael. Well i think everyone knows that sir roger moore was a very keen skier and hes involved in two of the great ski chases in bond bond history. This ski suit, i think, is just so iconic. It comes from his last film, the view to a kill. And its the opening kill. And its the opening sequence when he comes down the slope and hes chased by a bunch of guys with , you know, on skis of guys with, you know, on skis with guns and he skis, then he snowboards and he ends up in a in a submarine at the end of it. The cabinet behind me are some really fun things from his 40th anniversary swatch watch collection this wonderful 007 collection in this wonderful 007 case, got his wallet with case, weve got his wallet with his bank cards in it, and a couple of backgammon sets as well , one of which couple of backgammon sets as well, one of which one couple of backgammon sets as well , one of which one beneath well, one of which one beneath here in the red leather case, he would play on set with cubby broccoli , i understand, for high broccoli, i understand, for high stakes. And they would sort of settle up at the end of the series and if cubby was winning, he wouldnt roger go back on he wouldnt let roger go back on set finished the set until theyd finished the game. Great stories game. So some Great Stories behind some great games behind that and some great games played board, i imagine. Played on the board, i imagine. Well, roger moore played well, sir roger moore played james more any other james bond more than any other actor. Seven times between 1973 actor. Seven times between 1973 and 1985. And in my opinion, hes the best dressed of all the bonds. And here we have one of the most iconic dinner suits that he wore. And this is from the view to a kill. He wore it in that amazing scene at the eiffel tower where hes chasing after mayday, played by grace jones. After mayday, played by grace jones. And they go up and then jones. And they go up and then down the eiffel tower. Hes standing on lift shaft going standing on a lift shaft going up and down. So the estimate on the suit is 20 to £30,000. And again, well see where this ends up on the day. Well, were up on the day. Well, were really, really excited about the sale. There has been unparalleled in interest and excitement the world over. Its been on tour in the states and also in france, and its a very accessible sale because weve got lots at about £100 for a corgi toy car up to the big lots, like his personal el Omega Seamaster watch at 20 to 30,000. Of course, his wonderful james bond suits as well. Oh oh. Its the james bond suits for me every time. What would you do with them . Just put them on a mantle. No, i wouldnt. I wouldnt bid. But i just. When i see those, i go a bit weak at the knee and i think, oh, so bondi classy. But the thing is, if you and i were going, we were going to it last night. But then tiredness got the better of us about 1 00, didnt it. I know. Isnt that terrible . Yeah. Fonnard to yeah. So looking fonnard to that. Weve still got a day because its tomorrow is the actual and you think actual auction. And if you think of you know, i love it when we heard it just said there that there things are there are things which are different prices. So i mean if youve got millions, you could obviously but backgammon wanted to. But the backgammon set, for example, the back, i mean, they auction everything. Its owns. So its like everything he owns. So the moore , moores the roger moore, roger moores own travel backgammon own personal travel backgammon set, i think is estimated between 100 and £150, which is its worth a punt. All these things are relative as well. I see that theres another Auction Going up. The mask , the sea c3po mask in the mask, the sea c3po mask in the first star wars film. Its on first star wars film. Its on offer for a million quid. A million . See, i went to about 20 years ago. I went to an elvis auction, which was also at bonhams , and i bought a poster. Bonhams, and i bought a poster. I bought a signed a poster of roustabout, which was signed by elvis, but i didnt even know what it was because they brought it out because theyre all going for far too much and they held this thing out and said, look, its too delicate. Cant open its too delicate. We cant open its too delicate. We cant open it it all up. It it up. So it all opened up. It was about 12ft tall with a was like about 12ft tall with a little elvis signature in there. So think the frame ended up so i think the frame ended up costing more than the actual poster was huge. Poster because it was so huge. But know, i think if we but but, you know, i think if we bought the roger moore suits, which we then look like roger moore. Well, what do you think . Moore. Well, what do you think . Is he signed . Is he he signed . You think so . He signed do you think so . He signed it . No, i dont think we would look like no. But you see that that overcoat that crombie coat that overcoat that crombie coat that wore that time, that he wore in that time, i mean classic. Mean that is classic. I do well cut suit i do think a well cut suit can any man look like can make any man look like a spy. No, no. But what mustnt forget is but what we mustnt forget is when hes saying about short leg belly and whatever those suits when hes saying about short leg belljsaying, hatever those suits when hes saying about short leg belljsaying, oh, lver those suits when hes saying about short leg belljsaying, oh, ier those suits when hes saying about short leg belljsaying, oh, i think se suits when hes saying about short leg belljsaying, oh, i think hes|its when hes saying about short leg belljsaying, oh, i think hes the and saying, oh, i think hes the best lets not best dressed bond, lets not forget wearing suits in forget he was wearing suits in the of 70s. Were the middle of the 70s. Were talking big flared trouser. Talking a big flared trouser. Yeah. There is lot of material yeah. There is a lot of material in suit. Yes. Just the in that suit. Yes. Just the trousers alone, some could say could make another suit out of those right. Could make another suit out of tho lets right. Could make another suit out of tho lets bring right. Could make another suit out of tho lets bring in right. Could make another suit out of tho lets bring in another 007 lets bring in another 007 expert, host of the real 007 podcast. Tom pickup. Good morning to you. Will you be morning to you. Will you be bidding on any these items . Bidding on any of these items . What tickles your fancy . I like some of the well, i like some of the things in your piece. I think particularly that white scared me. I remember watching that as me. I remember watching that as a kid when i was growing up. I want to be bond. Ive seen roger looking so cool in the ski suit and even hes even got the shades on and then he does a bit of snow snowboarding, a bit of a bit of skiing and yeah, anything like that. But youre absolutely right, roger. In 70s, bonds right, roger. In the 70s, bonds made look cool. Made everything look cool. Looking back at some of the films, have dated films, you know, they have dated a you couldnt argue a bit, but you couldnt argue with rogers the way he does it, like a casual safari suit in the man with the golden gun. No one else could pull it off. Like rogen else could pull it off. Like roger. A casual safari roger. I love a casual safari suit. Roger. I love a casual safari suiibring the casual safari bring back the casual safari suits. But you were. Suits. But you were. You were right there, tom. I was watching for your eyes only a weeks back. And hey, they a few weeks back. And hey, they havent dated. Well some of the humour and the format of them and you could tell that things just arent right. Theyre not up to date , lets put it that up to date, lets put it that way. For modern times. Way. For modern times. Yeah. Some of the. Some of the things obviously are going to date. Bond is always been set in a contemporary setting. You know, when it first came out, it was the swinging 60s. Then he had change in the 70s, to be had to change in the 70s, to be honest, the 80s is my generation. When i grew so generation. When i grew up. So i look back with those probably with fondness and tend to with real fondness and tend to ignore those things. But every with real fondness and tend to ignortheres things. But every with real fondness and tend to ignortheres a1ings. But every with real fondness and tend to ignortheres a new. But every with real fondness and tend to ignortheres a new bond every with real fondness and tend to ignortheres a new bond out,y with real fondness and tend to ignortheres a new bond out, we time theres a new bond out, we just get excited. And he has to have the latest things. He has to have the latest suits. He has to have the latest suits. He has to have the latest. Uh, watch, you know, bit by different, different mates. And theres all the Product Placement that goes with just think roger is with it. I just think roger is effortlessly cool throughout his whole been to see this havent been able to see this auction its a bit too auction because its a bit too far away for me. Loads of my friends and theyre just friends have and theyre just bowled being able to see bowled away by being able to see such personal items as and things that they roger things that they saw roger wearing favourite films of wearing the favourite films of all i spent a day all time. Yeah i spent a day with him once and got a lot of pictures taken. Pictures taken. Um, and then i went. I went on holiday to london with my kids and, and i had my camera bag stolen and all the photographs. Photographs. Oh, no, thats so bad. Oh, no, thats so bad. So bad. So bad. You have your memories, your memories, memories. Memories, memories. But he did told me he did sign a movie poster for me. For your eyes only. And and i. And i have that. Have that. Oh, well, you. Im very oh, well, you. Im very jealous. That is one of my favourite bond films. Yeah. He said to me this morning, what can i sell . When we were talking about auctions. Oh, hello. Hello. Oh, well, i didnt say i wanted to sell it. I know, but, you know, ive got some bad cash in the bad news, if i may. Bad for news you about that, because film posters are actually artwork. Amazingly, if you get and amazingly, if you get excited actor, excited and you buy the actor, youre actually defacing it. Youre right. So its actually worth less if the of the worth less if the star of the film personally it. Film personally signs it. Saying , okay, cash in youre saying, okay, cash in now, tom, pick up. Thanks very much indeed. He is the host of the really zero seven podcast and giving us his thoughts there. And paul, of course, our very own smooth talker. Yeah , there he was. Yeah, there he was. Yeah, there he was. You could have had a starring role as a villain in one of those. Do you think so . Be for our eyes only . Be for our eyes only . No. Do you know the stroking . No. Do you know the stroking . My do you know in the man with the golden gun, the little that was there for what . What . What . Who do you think could possibly play that . Then . What are saying there, raymond . Are you saying there, raymond . Do follow through do you want to follow through with this . Do you want to follow through witi good . Do you want to follow through witigood . That . I could be. Good at that . I could be. I could be roger moore or christopher you could christopher lee. You could be the man. The little man. What am i to be sexist now . What am i to be sexist now . Was her that. Who what was her name . That. Who was that one . Was who was that one . You think your moneypenny . Arent you . No. Yes. Whats name . No. Yes. Whats her name . No. Yes. Whats her name . No, no. Yes. Whats her name . No. No, no. Yes. Whats her name . No, no, no. Galore. No, no, no, no. Galore. No, no, no, no. Anyway, the woman in. In but anyway, the woman in. In the man with the golden gun. Lulu sang the song. Sang man with google. Google the google that look google the google that i look fonnard to being. Know i know it. I know what i know it. I know what i know it. Its just my dementia got in the way for that one. Fonnard to being the look fonnard to being the little three person in the show. Thank you. Know youd be perfect it to get a little perfect for it to get a little uniform for you to have a little butlers and everything. Butlers uniform and everything. Really . Britt and really . Yeah. Britt ekland and britt ekland. Really . Yeah. Britt ekland and briiyeah. Nd. Yeah. Yeah. Britt. Was britt. Was britt. Have you got sports wise . Lets talk about chelsea. Chelsea one yesterday it was it was good win. Was a good win. I mean, to be away at fulham get the point. Its just a matter of time before the whole thing is going to together. Mudrik to come together. Mudrik scores 24 played for 24 games hes played for chelsea. Finally, hate to use chelsea. Finally, i hate to use a opened his a phrase like he opened his account, thats what he did account, but thats what he did yesterday. It came off after a short space of time, but they came through lee, we came through francis lee, we should franny lee should mention in franny lee passed away yesterday. Manchester city legend and 60s and 70s for derby county legend, too. Yeah, he was a couple of years at derby county. Bolton didnt he . He did. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. The thing is, mean, you the thing is, i mean, you look his goal scoring record look at his goal scoring record and certainly one every other game and game in national and International Matches 330 for Manchester City 148 goals not bad. You wouldnt mess about with him. You would. Well, we talked about that, didnt we . This, this, those great moments. And this, those great moments. And still when you look back and its all over youtube, youve never hunt like never and norman hunt like google, francis lee Norman Hunter you will its hunter and you will see its like heavyweight boxing match like a heavyweight boxing match leeds against derby county and there were literally haymakers where the arms swinging around kicking the good old happy days of football that we love. And also one of the great goals as well with the great commentary from barry davis saying look at his face, just look at his face and a big smile on his face. And yeah, but a businessman man as well. And then he went to on be chairman Manchester City. Chairman of Manchester City. Yeah. And so anyway, he passed away yesterday. Fantastic away yesterday. A fantastic player. I do want to mention one player. I do want to mention one more thing, and this is that i said earlier, as far as the snooker is concerned and very weird happened at the weird thing happened at the engush weird thing happened at the english regulation trousers weird thing happened at the eregulation regulation trousers weird thing happened at the e regulation trousers tion trousers weird thing happened at the eregulation trousers dingrousers , regulation trousers ding junhui wore the wrong track visors yesterday , playing visors yesterday, playing snooker in the english open. It was the opening frame against mark long. He turns up in brown trousers. Have you heard anything wrong . No. Thats like coming to school in your school uniform. And it being brown trousers wouldnt even. Not even roger moore could have pulled off the. Happened to him . What happened to him . What happened to him . He turned up and then well, he turned up and then hes wearing brown. He should be wearing black. Regular because back you back in the old days, you could wear a normal yourself, wear a normal tie like yourself, you with it. But theyve you know, with it. But theyve got rid of all that. Its always, its always always, you know, its always formal hes up, formal wear. So hes turned up, thought he could wear brown matching waistcoat trousers. Matching waistcoat and trousers. No he was no no. So then he was he was saying, look, youve got to wear black. He had to go off down brentwood street, go, brentwood high street, go, go and and a mens and go and find a mens outfitters and buy some black trousers he was docked trousers and then he was docked a because was late. So a frame because he was late. So he didnt in time. But he didnt make it in time. But you know, did he win . Did he win the tie . Did he win the tie . I dont even know whether he did tie. I dont even did win the tie. I dont even think got that but hes think he got that far. But hes but importantly, the but more importantly, the fashion is everything but that pose can be pose that he had that can be very dangerous. Trousers are tight, if your trousers are tight, it be. It can be. And you say, the one foot and as you say, the one foot on the what would you rather do . Would you rather go . Ill just miss or use rest. Miss this one or use the rest. You can use the rest. Yeah, yeah. Use the rest and do that or the spider instead of getting the leg right across the do that or the spider instead of gettiyouhe leg right across the do that or the spider instead of gettiyou can eg right across the do that or the spider instead of gettiyou can cause1t across the do that or the spider instead of gettiyou can cause allcross the do that or the spider instead of gettiyou can cause all sorts the do that or the spider instead of gettiyou can cause all sorts ofe top, you can cause all sorts of trouble, absolutely trouble, rip. Absolutely you much, my thank you very much, my friend. All right. Stay friend. Okay all right. Stay with us. Coming up on the program, which famous star formerly which famous star has formerly twitter revive its twitter signed up to revive its lost fortune ones . Well tell you more if youre watching tv. There a bit of a clue there. There was a bit of a clue there. If you are listening on the radio, youll wait to people talk today whats in the news, whats not. Kevin schofield, Political Editor of huffpost , joins us from the huffpost, joins us from the conservative Party Conference in manchester. And in the studio in london, derek lord, the author and businessperson , right. Kevin and businessperson, right. Kevin good to begin with you. And this is a warning from economists that the uk is heading for recession. Brian, tell us more. Recession. Brian, tell us more. This is in the i. Yeah. So up until now , yeah. So up until now, obviously we know that Economic Growth has been pretty stagnant, but it has been growing. Weve managed to defy expectations really and avoid a recession. However, economists are now saying reporting in the eye this morning that a recession is coming. Now, thats bad news, coming. Now, thats bad news, obviously , for rishi sunak, not obviously, for rishi sunak, not least because one of his five pledges to voters that he made last january was that he would grow the economy. So where the grow the economy. So where the economy to dip into a recession, then clearly that would be used by his political opponents to criticise him and say, well, look, youre just not keeping your promises to voters. So, yeah, it could be a pretty nasty, nasty blow for rishi sunak. I think this one street in the detail, theyre saying theres a decision really. Either we have high rates and a recession or low rates, which would it not get would mean it would not get inflation down towards the governments level. I governments target level. I suppose is always , suppose the question is always, you comparison really with you know, comparison really with where countries are doing where other countries are doing the government at the moment very trying to well, very much trying to say, well, hang minute, everyones hang on a minute, everyones talking but were talking down britain. But were actually doing better than the french german french economy. The german economy. Where they with economy. Where are they with talk recession at the moment . Well, youre right. . Well, youre right. And obviously, you take economic forecasts with a huge pinch of salt because theyre often found to be entirely wrong. So, yeah , to be entirely wrong. So, yeah, the government has actually had some good news lately. And previous analysis of Economic Growth was proved to be quite pessimistic and it was upgraded. So it means that the economy has been growing more quickly, for instance, than france, than germany, and we recovered out of the pandemic a lot more quickly than had previously been thought. So the government will obviously point to those statistics well, look, statistics and say, well, look, lets hang on a minute and lets just hang on a minute and lets just hang on a minute and lets it actually pans lets see how it actually pans out, because people have been forecasting recession forecasting a recession for quite some time and its never actually happened. I actually happened. So as i say, the Prime Minister be the Prime Minister will be hoping the same hoping really that the same happens this time, because , as happens this time, because, as i say, because of this promise that hes that hes given to grow the economy, if it goes into recession, then hes failed to meet that promise. Okay. Also , kevin, i mean, all and also, kevin, i mean, all economies at risk of economies are always at risk of a. You know, there are a recession. You know, there are three things that a three things that cause a recession. Theres supply. Three things that cause a recessi sideheres supply. Three things that cause a recessi side issues. Upply. Three things that cause a recessi side issues. Theres the supply side issues. Theres the financial crisis or world events. So by definition , are events. So by definition, are all economies in the world are subject to fluctuations and there can be a recession. But there can be a recession. But there can be a recession. But the upside in all this was the last quarter where we did see growth of 0. 2. Okay, lets talk about x , okay, lets talk about x, formerly known as twitter , formerly known as twitter, something which i think will never catch on. And hes a stupid name. And ed, they they have hired who to promote the brand they have and for our listeners there is a very beautiful photograph of paris hilton on on page seven of the Financial Times and twitter is now now changed its name to x , now now changed its name to x, but now it seems to me that its actually fundamentally changing its entire model. Am i the only one who thinks that looks seedy . Yes. Yes. No, no, no. No, no, no. You have an i agree with you and you have someone a little bit on the trashy end of the scale and you think, is this some kind only fans . Some kind of only fans . Happened to twitter . Whats happened to twitter . Whats happened to twitter . What they may also but what they may also realise i cant remember who said is that nobodys said it is that nobodys actually money actually lost any money underestimating taste. Well , thats probably true. Well, thats probably true. Yeah, thats probably shes bit. Yesterdays news though wasnt she. Well, she might very well be, but shes in the money yet again because i mean theyre to going create an Online Shopping channel which shes going to front on on the x platform. And front on on the x platform. And this has all become really rather important for x or twitter because theyve lost about 60 of advertising revenue since musk became its owner. So there is a there is a crisis that theyre actually i think twitter is one of the only places that you can go where youre shopping free from my experiences. So this is all set to change. How do you feel about that . Kevin . I know youre an avid twitter user or x user. Twitter user or x user. Oh yeah, yeah , probably oh yeah, yeah, probably a little bit too much, to be perfectly honest with you. But yeah, i mean, i thought it was fine before, to be honest. It was absolutely fine before with elon musk. Elon took over elon musk. Elon musk took over and , you know, hes and but, you know, hes obviously got to try and claw back the huge amount of money that he invested when he when he bought the company. And its not gone too well far. Youre gone too well so far. Youre saying obviously theyve saying that obviously theyve lost a lot of advertising lost quite a lot of advertising revenue out the revenue and hes never out the headunes revenue and hes never out the headlines controversy. Hes headlines of controversy. Hes got to hope that the thing about musk obviously hes very musk is obviously hes very rich, hes not always very rich, but hes not always very successful. Hes theres lots of things that really crash that he puts his name to and he gets it wildly wrong as well. Absolutely wildly wrong as well. Absolutely and it appears , looking from and it appears, looking from the outside, that he spent all this money to buy the company somewhat reluctantly. He was going to buy it then he wasnt. Then he did. And without any then he did. And without any real idea, i think, of what he was letting himself in for. And he paid a huge amount of money for it. And as i say, hes got to try and claw that back somehow. I mean, hes a pretty unique hes going unique character. Hes going about unusual way. About it in a very unusual way. This work for him, but i this might work for him, but i think its a huge gamble. Can we talk about covid now . This the i know its a bit this is in the i know its a bit of dirty word, but it seems to of a dirty word, but it seems to be making a comeback. My husband caught it the way back from caught it on the way back from our in august. He our Summer Holiday in august. He was first time hed was really ill first time hed had it, actually, we think. And he was in bed. The shivers, the whole crawling. Whole lot, skin crawling. My daughters was Daughters School teacher was off for whole of last week. Off for the whole of last week. My friends, weekend who off for the whole of last week. My f|due s, weekend who off for the whole of last week. My f|due s, comeeekend who off for the whole of last week. My f|due s, come and nd who off for the whole of last week. My f|due s, come and stay ho were due to come and stay cancelled because they all had covid. Newspaper is covid. And now the newspaper is saying 200,000 people will saying up to 200,000 people will be to try and track be tested often to try and track the spread of it. This winter. Kevin and i would say to you, theyre a little late in all theyre a little bit late in all of its doing the of this. Its been doing the rounds a lot the last few rounds quite a lot the last few months. Been, and theres been it has been, and theres been this new variant which is causing some some concern about its evade vaccines. Its ability to evade vaccines. So yeah, a bit like during so yeah, its a bit like during the pandemic when the authorities were were trying to keep a track of whos got it and the community obe obviously were no longer having to test every day. Were not provided with free tests like we were in the past. So, so what theyre doing is theyre choosing like 200,000 people to test themselves regularly, and that will them idea of how will give them an idea of how prevalent virus is in the prevalent the virus is in the community. But, you know , we are community. But, you know, we are now, weve got to live with it. Its going to be around forever. And its question of trying. And its a question of trying to with best we can. To live with it as best we can. It hasnt been around forever. And covid season it is going to be around forever. It will be around forever. It will be around forever. Be well tell you whos well be well tell you whos not anymore on strictly not around anymore on strictly and is les dennis. And that is les dennis. Derek and were sticking with the as i like this the ai because as i like this story, because i like les dennis and everybody hes and Everybody Knows hes a comedian and hes been voted off in the first week of strictly come dancing. And theres a very interesting piece in the eye and it says , whats happened to the it says, whats happened to the British Public and our love of the underdog , because we usually the underdog, because we usually we like to be entertained by people on this programme. Couldnt dance, you know, that was almost like the point. That was almost like the point. That was the premise. Yeah but now weve become so serious and we want everybody to almost be professionals, polish dancers in week one. You know, i used to switch on to not look at wonderful dancers , but to look wonderful dancers, but to look at Ann Widdecombe , you know, at Ann Widdecombe, you know, doing a lift. It was hysterical , you know, and les going out in the first week, you know, where is the entertainment now . You is the entertainment now . You know, in strictly, theyve been getting a few bad headlines, havent they . I think the front of the sun is it today has Shirley Ballas saying afraid to leave her saying shes afraid to leave her home shes been home because shes been criticised or trolled for the way differentiated her, way shes differentiated her, judging for female contestants versus male contestants . I mean, versus male contestants . I mean, i dont know how close you follow it, either of you. Im a big strictly fan. Its absolute box Office Appointment to view for on a saturday night. For me on a saturday night. I think shirleys great and i think shirleys great and i think people are looking for problems personally. What what do you guys think . Well, maybe shes not. Well, maybe shes not. I mean, shes simply well, maybe shes not. I asean, shes simply well, maybe shes not. I as popular,; simply well, maybe shes not. I as popular, is simply well, maybe shes not. I as popular, is she . Mply well, maybe shes not. I as popular, is she . Asly well, maybe shes not. I as popular, is she . As as isnt as popular, is she . As as les as chief judge. And isnt as popular, is she . As as les as chiefjudge. And i think les as chief judge. And i think its been rumoured over some years now that shes had some problems with her previous judges as well. And 1 or 2 of them left because of this. I them left because of this. I think shes a good judge. She think shes a good judge. She doesit think shes a good judge. She does it very well. I find her does it very well. I find her fair and balanced and reasonable, but i mean, that story really is more about the onune story really is more about the online world in which we live in today and the rise in in risks of being well known. And i have to say this, after ruthies time on strictly, but i do genuinely mean it. Ruthies time on strictly, but i do genuinely mean it. Anton ruthies time on strictly, but i do genuinely mean it. Anton is my favourite. He just is. My favourite. He just is. She went to see anton on sunday. Hes at the london palladium. Yeah, hes got show out yeah, hes got his show out at minute. At the minute. She cant beat me. I yeah. She cant beat me. I shared a bedroom with les dennis and. And torquay. Its a whole other its very other story. Its a very hilarious story. Its another story about. Ill that to the list. Kevin heres a very interesting thing. Lake windermere, a lot algae windermere, a lot of toxic algae is appearing in windermere in the lake district. And this green, slimy stuff at and the theories as to why its there. Global warming runoff from fertilisers from farming fields, pollution and all sorts of things. But the thing is, its also happening in the biggest freshwater lake in europe , which freshwater lake in europe, which is in Northern Ireland. Loch ness. And its really , really ness. And its really, really bad. So ness. And its really, really bad. So this is not just at windermere. So whats the whats the solution or whats happening . What can you tell us with this . Yeah. So the environmentalists have joined forces with the uk space agency. And what theyre going to do is theyre going to use satellite data to analyse effective the spread of this contamination in the lake from space. And they think by doing that, the lake from space. And they think by doing that , theyll be think by doing that, theyll be able to come up with an idea as to as to why its happening and what can be done to combat it. I mean, obviously, pollution in watennays has been in the news an awful lot lately. And this is an awful lot lately. And this is Something Else, obviously , Something Else, obviously, thats causing quite a lot of concern and hopefully, thanks to the wonders of modern technology and a solution will be able to be for it. Be found for it. What do think, derek . What do you think, derek . What do you think, derek . I agree with kevin entirely. I mean, i think you were spot on in your analysis. In your analysis. Okay. Well, lets move on to kitch hotels in the mail. Kevin, this is the worlds most kitch hotels from a Mile High Club plane to a suite with a dragon in the bathroom. Gosh not for me. Where would we find these . Yeah, just no. Yeah, just no. Yeah, just no. Well, these are all around the world. If you look at the pictures are pretty extraordinary. Theres one in particular is a is a is a rainforest room. Now, im not rainforest room. Now, im not sure id really want to wake up in the morning to be surrounded by trees or fake trees or whatever. And yeah, this is a huge book which has been produced by an american couple who are on this mission to stay in as many of these hotels as they can around the world. And then theyve written a book about it. So its not a bad way to make a living, i suppose, going around hotels, although not my of tea, i have not really my cup of tea, i have to say. Derek can you conjure up the or most exotic the strangest or most exotic kitsch youve ever seen . Kitsch hotel youve ever seen . Cant. Kitsch hotel youve ever seen . Cant. I mean, because of i cant. I mean, because of course, taste is a very subjective thing. And to me, you know, the pictures, know, looking at the pictures, which some of our listeners wont seen , theyre garish, wont have seen, theyre garish, theyre bright, wont have seen, theyre garish, theyre bright , theyre wont have seen, theyre garish, theyre bright, theyre vulgar, vulgar,. I just do not vulgar, vulgar. I just do not like it at all. And im trying to imagine who would pay that kind of money. I mean, it looks a bit disney, doesnt it . It looks very disney to stay in those sorts of hotels. Whats the saying . A fool and his money are easily parted or theres no accounting for taste. You buy taste. Theres so you cant buy taste. Theres so many phrases like that. Would you like them . I wish i had. No, i wish we had pictures of the one les and i shared in torquay for picture. Please. Weve got a minute. Please. Weve got a minute. Ive got time. Where was it . Ive got time. Where was it . It was in torquay. It was in torquay. Torquay . Yeah. Thats the least interesting detail. More of the tell us more of the interesting shenanigans interesting internal shenanigans we to be we were hosting who wants to be a millionaire on road and a millionaire on the road and Chris Tarrant obviously didnt want do it. Want to do it. Theres and i got to split so theres and i got to split the week between us and good bedfellow. Very good. And we didnt share it at the same time. Oh , i had it for three days. Oh, i had it for three days. Oh, i had it for three days. He had it for four days. He had it for four days. Oh, there we go. Oh, there we go. For three days. Whatever. Whatever. There we go. Thank you very indeed, kevin. And whatever. There we go. Thank you very you, indeed, kevin. And whatever. There we go. Thank you very you, derek. , kevin. And whatever. There we go. Thank you very you, derek. And in. And whatever. There we go. Thank you very you, derek. And thank i whatever. There we go. Thank you very you, derek. And thank you thank you, derek. And thank you for watching. Well be right back more from the party back with more from the Party Conference theres help for households. Are you over state pension age . If your weekly income is below £201. 05, or £306. 85 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. Its worth, on average, £3,500 a year, and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus cost of living payments. Hello there. Hello there. Very good morning. Very good morning. Very good morning. Its 9 00. Its tuesday, the 3rd of october. This is breakfast in gb news with damian and isabel. And isabel. Heres whats leading the news this morning and what weve been covering throughout the program. Minister says program. The Prime Minister says he not be pressured into he will not be pressured into making about the making a decision about the future hs2 rail project , future of the hs2 rail project, but there are reports he will be making his making an announcement in his keynote speech at the tory Party Conference. Growing number of conference. A growing number of conservative voicing conservative mps are voicing concerns, while others remain tight lipped. Today im not sure that decision has been made. That decision has been made. That decision hasnt been made. You asked about embarrassment. What im embarrassed is im not embarrassed about is this Prime Minister the this Prime Minister does the right of the right thing on the basis of the evidence calmly, evidence coolly, calmly, unemotionally , trans women will unemotionally, trans women will be banned from female hospital wards. Thats one of the proposals to be announced by the Health Secretary later today in an aim to bring back , as he puts it, to bring back, as he puts it, common sense to the health service. Service. The home secretary will also be taking to the podium today. Shes expected to address government failings at conference later. Well be debating whether the government is taking the right route to deal with the migrant crisis. Deal with the migrant crisis. And alex deakin will deal with the weather forecast. With the weather forecast. Bit of a wet start in places this morning, but most of us will have a bright and breezy day. Therell be some sunshine. There also be a fair few there will also be a fair few showers. Join me later for a full forecast. Full forecast. So many views coming in throughout the course of the morning. Says honest, morning. Jill says to be honest, as northerner, i have as a northerner, i have absolutely no interest in hs2. What be done is what needs to be done is a better infrastructure from west to east. And so many people giving different thoughts on whether or not that should go ahead. Simon saying hs2 should be built, but control of the project handed over the project handed over to the mayors on the route like andy burnham. And says a labour burnham. And bob says a labour going to employ hornby to achieve the ambitious plans for the country they spoke about this morning. Im not sure what that said hornby. That means, said hornby. Train makers. Hornby train makers. Hornby train makers. Thank you. They understand the makers absolutely the toy train makers absolutely beautiful. Was. Heres the sting. So it was. Heres the sting. Always wanted a hornby train. Always wanted a hornby train. Did you . Did you . Absolutely. And then you get people like rod stewart, whos got this magnetic layout goes on forever toy train set. And despite denials by the Prime Minister , there is speculation minister, there is speculation mounting that he will axe the manchester leg of the high speed hs2 project. Hs2 project. Yeah, i mean, the flip flopping on this is unbelievable. As you know, our loyal viewers and listeners, we were talking about this pretty much sunday, monday, tuesday, maybe a bit of wednesday last week. Totally week. And its totally overshadowed most of the conference. It is now expected tomorrow be in the prime tomorrow to be in the Prime Ministers speech and it will be billed a bid save billions billed as a bid to save billions in rising costs. With that investment being switched to local infrastructure in the north england. North of england. But its not just the north missing out hs2. Now there missing out on hs2. Now there are doubts about whether services will reach Central London at all. Lets go to the travel correspondent for the independent, simon calder. Simon youre at euston station and if anything is built between birmingham and london, not even get that far, will it . Well, we are getting all kinds of mixed messages here and very, very busy morning actually behind me, about 50m away. There is a vast amount of work going on for the euston station, part of hs2. And as you have been of hs2. And as you have been reporting , there have been reporting, there have been questions about whether the train will ever reach euston. It might end up in a place called Old Oak Common next to wormwood scrubs prison, a patch of waste wasteland in west london, and various leaks overnight are suggesting that it will go through to euston , but it will through to euston, but it will certainly not go any further north than birmingham. If that were to happen, it would effectively undermine the whole purpose of the line. Now theres an awful lot of people, perhaps including you, who are looking at this and thinking, well, its just going to get us to birmingham 20 minutes quicker. That was what we were always told. Well that was just a complete red herring. This is all about having more capacity on the lines about having this y shaped shape. So youve got the manchester line here, the leeds and sheffield line here, and they funnelled down to birmingham. They take all the high speed traffic off the network, leaving much more capacity for local and Regional Services and for freight. And if you dont build the whole lot, well actually you get left with a shuttle between birmingham and london, which is not really going to do many people much good at all, im afraid. Okay, lets assume that what we all suspect is going to happenis we all suspect is going to happen is going to happen that this is going be this northern leg is going to be shelved right. And were going to from the government and to hear from the government and theyre we cant theyre going to say, we cant afford were saving afford it. Were saving money. Inflation. Its just too much. You cost of aluminium, you know, the cost of aluminium, steel, it is involved. Steel, whatever it is involved. Its just way more than what we first projected. And were actually responsible with actually being responsible with our is it that this our cash. Why is it that this country able to invest in country is not able to invest in these kinds of high speed trains that are to on the that they are able to on the continent . Why is that they are able to on the continent . Why is it unaffordable for us but affordable for them . And not justin affordable for them . And not just in the continent. You go to japan, wherever it might be. What are we doing wrong . Well, yeah. Well, yeah. Okay. Well, in japan, for instance, they started instance, when they started building trains and building the bullet trains and were about the were talking now about the 1960s, an extraordinary 1960s, it was an extraordinary event. So there were lots and lots of opposition to that. And so therefore , they decided, so therefore, they decided, well, were to going do it anyway. But if you loo k at anyway. But if you look at france and spain, which have by far the biggest opportunity for great high speed rail across europe, they are in the position of having this fantastic network that they can build through largely empty countryside. We largely empty countryside. We dont have that luxury, which is why the chilterns are being dug up , why theres so much up, why theres so much controversy locally. There isnt controversy locally. There isnt the space theyve got to buy the land. Its very expensive. Add land. Its very expensive. Add to that complete re continuous some re specification by the government. They still dont know whats going to be happening here at euston and you get a project which is ballooning in cost and the benefits are hugely reducing. Benefits are hugely reducing. Would you be in favour of it being scrapped just on the basis of you know, reinvesting that money . Perhaps in infrastructure east to west . You know, can you east to west . You know, can you see the advantages or are you disappointed if it does get shelved . But no, i mean, its not a question of whether im disappointed in it. Its very simply the fact that if you do not build the whole lot, then there is no point in it. You know, the little shuttle between london and birmingham frankly not of and birmingham is frankly not of any relevance. Weve already got any relevance. Weve already got actually from here, five trains an hour to birmingham from marylebone down the road. Theres another couple there. So actually birmingham to london is the one bit of the country which doesnt need high speed rail. The whole idea was to give the north, to give the east midlands , to give yorkshire a much better connectivity to london. That has now, it appears, been scrapped. And of course any scrapped. And of course any improvements on public transport. As somebody who supports people getting around by train , im all in favour of. By train, im all in favour of. But not if youre going to ditch a project which was absolutely to going transform the uk. And to going transform the uk. And now it looks as though that will be torn up and we will see if there were to be a change of government which position the labour party is adopting this week having changed its mind quite severely in the last two weeks. Indeed. Simon, really appreciate your take. Thank you very much indeed. Thank you. The very much indeed. Thank you. The home secretary today is set to make her speech at the conference as one of the key figures in the conservative party. One of the issues shell be thinking about or many of the issues include declining police numbers, rising crime rates and increase facing numbers of illegal immigrants. Okay, gb news pip tomson will tell you more. Tell you more. Home secretary Suella Braverman will speak at the conservative Party Conference later as the government tries to get to grips with some of the issues affecting the country. It comes as record numbers of Police Officers quit the force and knife crime continues to rise in the year to march, 40,668 officers left after a voluntary resignation against a backdrop of 48,204 knife crime offences. Thats a 5 increase offences. Thats a 5 increase on march last year. Immigration is another challenge the government hopes to tackle as gb news data reveals that more than 25,000 migrants have crossed the engush 25,000 migrants have crossed the English Channel so far this year. Something else on the home secretarys agenda is the rather contentious rwanda plan set for a battle at the Supreme Court next week. Speaking in next week. Speaking in washington, dc , Suella Braverman washington, dc, Suella Braverman argued that the 1951 Refugee Convention is too loose and hinted that the government could leave the echr for any attempt to reform. To reform. The Refugee Convention. Will see you smeared as anti refugee. Similar epithets are hurled at anyone who suggests reform of the echr or its court in strasbourg. I reject the notion that a country cannot be expected to respect human rights if it is not signed up to an International Human rights organisation. The home secretary is expected to use her speech in manchester to boost her popularity ratings among the more right wing arm of the party. Ahead of a general election. Many backbenchers fear they could lose so how are we looking at a future tory leader . One wouldnt bet against it. Pip tomson gb news so the home secretary has suggested that a global effort on Border Control and a change in International Law is the answer to deal with refugees and Asylum Seekers. And we are likely to hear much more about that in her speech. But lets discuss discuss options on migration. Discuss options on migration. Joining us now is International Border adviser strategy adviser henry bolton and the former editor of the labourlist, peter edwards. Good morning to you both. And peter, lets start with you. First of all. A lot of what we can expect from the home secretary today. We probably had secretary today. We probably had a bit of a preview in her speech last week and will revolve not only around her plans with rwanda , but pulling out of the rwanda, but pulling out of the echr. Where do you stand on that . Well, i think weve had a preview of what the premiership of Suella Braverman would look like if she ever gets elected. And the last line of and my worry is the last line of thompsons report now that thompsons report just now that this is a pitch for a future leadership contest. Obviously, as you alluded to, theres a bit of a row at conservative Party Conference about whether to pull out of the European Convention on rights. Last on human rights. The last polling i saw in the times showed there was public showed there was not public support that view. And support for that view. And a quarter of people supported pulling out of the echr. So that pulling out of the echr. So that tells us really that conservative home secretary is talking about something in the country doesnt want. You have to think about why shes doing that. Is it the National Interest or is it her own ambition . Well, peter raises the question there. Henry words there are a lot of words. Its there are a lot of words. Its Party Conference time as well and a lot of words are not a lot of action. No, indeed. And thats the problem. The conservative party has this this this problem of credibility. You know, rishi, five promises, of course , one of five promises, of course, one of them was the dealing with the immigration, stopping the boats and absolutely nothing in that regard has has has changed. Hes not had any effect. The effect that the very slight reduction in numbers has been down purely to the weather in the channel i live on the south coast in kent. And you can you can tell that thats, you know, the moment the weathers clear, theyre coming across. So theres a credibility problem here. I think its correct that that Suella Braverman has probably fired the first shots in a leadership contest, but i would dispute the fact that or the idea that shes not got support behind her. The concern natives, not the liberals, the conservatives in the conservative party undoubtedly like what she was saying. Song and indeed , i think saying. Song and indeed, i think were seeing sort of speeches from priti patel that are a response to that because i suspect that shes entered , she suspect that shes entered, she would enter this battle as well. But at the of the day , but at the end of the day, pretty Suella Braverman is correct in my view, and i was saying this when i was advisor to the organisation for security and cooperation in europe, 57 countries, and i was advisor on borders to all of them. And i was trying to open the discussion there that actually a lot of our International Conventions , including the conventions, including the Refugee Convention, including the echr, the European Convention on human rights, they need to be revised. They are not need to be revised. They are not still fit for purpose. S the un still fit for purpose. S the Un Convention on refugees is 72 years old, so shes opened a debate on that and its a healthy debate. Healthy debate. And do you think it will go anywhere . I dont think it will. At the same time in that role and others, i have been in a situation where ive been in the room where various nations have tried to open such debates, but the guardians, if you like, of these these conventions and treaties such as the unhcr itself , dont want to. And the itself, dont want to. And the reason they dont if country a succeeds in opening up the treaty or the for convention discussion, then you get a whole raft of other countries coming in with with other ideas as well. And it will take you two decades to resolve it. Yeah but peter, in all of this discussion , it always strikes me that theres a failure grasp that, theres a failure to grasp that, that an unprecedent that we have an unprecedent global challenge. Are on the move like people are on the move like never before. Whether to thats do with social media, with seeing opportunities in seeing the opportunities in other places, whether change climate pressures on climate change, the pressures on where you know , where they live, you know, political instability, whatever it be. No one ever it might be. No one ever acknowledges that. And to basically argue want to pull basically argue we want to pull out echr that people out of the echr so that people stay in the first country they reach, safety would make it untenable for countries like reach, safety would make it unte|to yle for countries like reach, safety would make it unte|to yle f0|with1tries like reach, safety would make it unte|toyle f0|with thes like reach, safety would make it unte|toyle f0|with the crisis, italy to cope with the crisis, at which we would all have at which point we would all have to ourselves their to ask ourselves as their neighbours, what role we play in all this. Why doesnt all of this. Why doesnt everyone ever admit that . Because theyre governed by domestic electoral politics. But you know, if i can quote gordon brown from 15 years ago in a financial crisis, global problems require global solutions. And this is this is exactly the thrust of your question, really, that its not a british issue or an italian issue. Its something for nafions issue. Its something for nations to deal with. And pointing to one study i looked at fairly recently, which is, you know, we have a debate and laws are passed in parliament. But actually, if youre a people smuggler conducting a very wicked trade or youre one of the victims of that trade, having at on the having your life at risk on the sea, youre not really aware of the laws being passed in the house of commons. You pay your money and you take your risk. And sad. But the idea and its very sad. But the idea that domestic legislative tweaks can solve this problem is a big no no. Its a global issue and no no. Its a global issue and its run by basically a cutthroat trade of criminals. Sadly peter, i put it to you that this crisis is similar to the one in the nhs in that the people who are tasked with solving it are more interested in getting elected than tackling the problem in a sort of, you know, zooming out and looking at the bigger crisis. Do you accept that to an extent . I dont know. I think its sorry, i meant that to henry. Henry bolton. Henry bolton. Sorry. Yes i do. I do accept that. And i think the analogy of the nhs is, is correct. What weve seen with the nhs is knee jerk reactions over over many, many years. Adding this new many years. Adding this new technologies come in for you know, for, for cardio ology and so on. So, you know, lets do some more on that and lets lets create the trusts and so on. Theres concentrates of maternity wards, all sorts of individual standalone policies which have actually created now a very, very complex structure. A very, very complex structure. Its the same with the borders. Theyre incoherent. What is theyre incoherent. What is lacking here is a clear set of National Strategic objectives set at the most high level of government and then a drive the leadership to create the drive and unity of effort across government, all Government Departments to engage on this with a unity of effort that is seriously lacking. Weve got eight different Government Agencies operating patrol boats on on the or in the English Channel. We are talking about migration. Thats all fine, but all of the cocaine, all of the heroin and 97 of the illegal firearms held in this country have come across our borders. Our borders are insecure. And if you look at finland, you look at canada, you look at the United States, you look at denmark, you look at sweden, look at at look at sweden, you look at at italy, you look even at albania, they have won agency that deals with everything at sea on the borders here. Weve got different agencies dealing with pollution , immigration, pollution, immigration, narcotics trafficking and so on. Imagine running a Police Service like that. Youve got one set of like that. Youve got one set of one agency dealing with traffic accidents, another one dealing with burglaries, another one deaung with burglaries, another one dealing with Violent Crime. Its bonkers. Youve have bonkers. Youve got to have a national framework, a national strategy, and you need the central leadership it, central leadership to drive it, not ministry. Not just one ministry. Got home secretary. Weve got one home secretary. Shes speak this shes going to speak this afternoon in manchester, the conservative Party Conference. Thank you. Henry bolton , peter thank you. Henry bolton, peter edwards, appreciate your input as well. Got to leave it there. Thank you. Thank you. Still to come, going to still to come, were going to be your views about the be hearing your views about the chancellors benefits crackdown. Be hearing your views about the chanc in rs benefits crackdown. Be hearing your views about the chanc in rs ianefits crackdown. Be hearing your views about the chanc in rs ia moment ckdown. Now, the chancellor has reiterated the governments commitment to make benefits, sanctions harsher. We spoke to sanctions harsher. We spoke to him about it yesterday and speaking at the conference, he announced the crackdown officially on those who dont do enough to find work whilst claiming benefits. Well, what were doing in this section of the programme we are gauging your to all of are gauging your views to all of this and we have a lot of gb views after we look at these videos you viewers and videos from you viewers and listeners, those who can work should work. Should work. I dont think you should be better off sitting at home than going out to work. Better off sitting at home than going out to work. Seems like going out to work. Seems like were going in the same direction as america. Direction as america. Were chipping away at the National Health and i was starting on benefits. Dont starting on the benefits. Dont they realise people in america , they realise people in america, mothers the streets with mothers are on the streets with the also the children, nameless also crime rates getting rocket and Mental Health issues to. Mental Health Issues to. So i agree with benefits. It so i agree with benefits. It does need reform. I like the does need reform. I like the finish benefit system where theres lower payment for anybody need and a higher payment for anybody whos lost their jobs or their business for two years to get them back on their feet. Two years to get them back on theirfeet. Its two years to get them back on their feet. Its proven to alleviate long term poverty and is cheaper for society. Oh is cheaper for society. Oh oh, interesting. Yeah. Gosh lots of your views coming in. Well , so many. Well, so many. Well, so many. Nicola says the welfare system was created to support people in their hour of need. Nobody objects to that, she says. The issue now is that we have a whole generation of families that have never worked and its seen as an entitlement and a life choice , and there is a lack life choice, and there is a lack of work ethic in many who feel its not worth working in a low pay job its not worth working in a low pay job when benefits compare and cover the rent. I mean, i always, you know , my own father, always, you know, my own father, we always had you would never amount to anything in life if you didnt work. And people say there isnt work. But i remember as teenagers , we were braced for as teenagers, we were braced for cutting grass, cleaning cars , cutting grass, cleaning cars, doing newspaper runs. Goodness doing newspaper runs. Goodness knows what it was, but it was always that was your way of getting all getting on. Well, brian shares that ethic. He says, im 71 years old and im still working, have been since 15, and i probably will be for another three years or so, tony says. I work for a charity within the centres, helping within the job centres, helping people employment people get into employment dunng people get into employment during my time, all people during my time, all the people on saw, calculated on benefits i saw, i calculated there were 15 who genuinely couldnt work for one reason or another. 15 who desperately wanted work and were wanted to work and were embarrassed to be there. And the other 75 were lazy and didnt want to work. Well, believe the final word with paul. And he says state benefits are a safety net to assist people in times of need. But unfortunately they are now seen as an aspiration. But having as an aspiration. But having said that, i wouldnt like to test them. I wouldnt like to work on on benefits and survive on benefits. Thanks for watching today. Weve been on air since 6 00 this morning. I hope youve enjoyed the show. Up next, heres the weather with alex deakin. Good morning. Im alex deakin. This is your latest weather update from the met for news. Bit of met office for gb news. A bit of a start for parts of east a soggy start for parts of east anglia in the south east generally a bright and breezy kind a few showers kind of day with a few showers around. But as kind of day with a few showers around. But as i said, a kind of day with a few showers around. But as i said, a pretty around. But as i said, a pretty wet start for parts of east anglia. The south east, lot of anglia. The south east, a lot of spray surface the spray and surface water on the roads, is all clearing roads, but that is all clearing away. Then well see some sunshine coming through. Plenty of coming western of showers coming into western scotland. Well see a mixture of here and well see a mixture of sunshine and showers for northern england, north wales and Northern Ireland. But much of south and east will stay of the south and east will stay dry and bright with some sunshine. Temperatures getting into high into the mid to high teens, a fresher feel most compared fresher feel for most compared to still quite windy to yesterday. Still quite windy across northern scotland, especially breezy elsewhere. Especially breezy elsewhere. That breeze leads down overnight. Well see a few showers drifting in, but many places will stay clear , particularly will stay clear, particularly across the south and the east. Later on, though, some more wet and windy weather will come in across the highlands and the Western Isles. Temperatures will drop single figures in drop down into single figures in rural spots. So fresh start to rural spots. So a fresh start to wednesday for most, a bright start, tomorrow morning start, though, tomorrow morning across of the midlands and across much of the midlands and eastern england. Quite a lot of eastern england. Quite a lot of cloud further north and west and that rain could cause some problems. To feed problems. It continues to feed into scots and rain into western scots and rain really up we really building up as we go through the starting to through the day and starting to edge further south. So perhaps arriving across parts the arriving across parts of the central belt into Northern Ireland. England and wales, ireland. For england and wales, just a few scattered showers, mostly many central mostly in the west. Many central and parts will be dry and eastern parts will be dry and eastern parts will be dry and bright and temperatures again to well. Good morning. Well. Good morning. Its 930 on tuesday, the 3rd of october. This is britains newsroom on gb news with Andrew Pearson bev turner. We are at the conservative Party Conference manchester off the rails. Rishi sunak is expected to announce whether or not he will scrap between birmingham scrap hs2 between birmingham and manchester. The Justice Manchester tomorrow. The justice secretary, spok e has secretary, alex. Chalk spoke has thrown support behind the thrown his support behind the Prime Minister to make the right decision. So im not sure that decision. So im not sure that decision has been made that decision has been made that decision hasnt been made. This Prime Minister does the right thing the basis of the right thing on the basis of the evidence, calmly, evidence, coolly, calmly, unemotionally and trans women. Unemotionally and trans women. The Health Secretary, Steve Barclay, making a big speech today, describes his plan to ban trans women from fema hostel wards as common sense war on woke trade secretary Kemi Badenoch delivered a rousing speech on race, gender and brexit yesterday in which she said britain is the best country in which to be black. I tell my children that this