Transcripts For RT The Alex Salmond Show 20240713

A coming point in the medias attitude to the governments handling of the crisis in the u. K. The 1st one occurred in mid april where fast the Financial Times and then the sunday times over the course of one weekend subjected the government performance to some set showing analysis how crucial were lead supports and terms of affecting the the accent by which most of the media were covering the pandemic. I think the Financial Times and in particular the sunday times reports were very important this sunday times report something times report was very kind of him very give a little insight into the attitude of the government in the early days of the crisis the revelation that mr johnson had not attended the 1st 5 meetings 5 out of 5 meetings of cobra the Emergency Committee which coordinates responses to crises was quote he did suggest that he didnt grip the crisis with anything like the the energy which might be expected and the other thing was of course it came from Rupert Murdochs sunday times now the sunday times had been a pushy well a subservient follower of the fortunes of the early months of the johnson government and throughout the general election when it took the dining Straight Line without much question and then under a new editor amateur sadly it started to produce reports which question the government line of expose things the government would rule rather not have seen the light of day so that was in a significant moment when a pro government paper moved to a much more detached position and how about the differing positions in the 4 nations off the United Kingdom and the the inability of mr johnson to convince the well scottish anonymous 1st ministers to follow him and his change of a slogan theres the differing positions present on coming difficulties for the westminster government i was struck by the 1st minister scotland nicholas surgeon saying that yes we consulted before mr johnsons speech on sunday i. Bill that was a difficulty i mean that he needs to keep everybody on board they include his own cabinet there was quite an arresting report from an anonymous cabinet minister saying that there was fury in cabinet that they were could sell to about the speech now that simply that is potential political trouble for the Prime Minister and his cabinet arent being brought in on the decisions and then dont get to feel responsible for them so the political handling of the last few days has been questionable and the problems will emerge and how about parliamentary scrutiny weve had socially distanced parliamentarians is setting in their places but the appropriate distance apart that westminster of a survey says pass the attended house of commons for obvious reasons and weve had the social media questioning does that let you yeah and for the days of the the holy bali of an intense atmosphere is a very difficult for opposition to sustain an attack on the government when were in that position i think that the a lot of the british media a lot of british politicians are rather. Old fashioned they dont understand that social media is where politics political communication now happens much more than in the newspapers or even the t. V. And that means that actually the Communications People in downing street who arent born yesterday i dont like that much but theyre not born yesterday focusing far more on facebook than they would be on whatever the the popular papers are saying and so this is where the fortunes of the Prime Minister will rise and fall much more than on whether he gets the right headline in a newspaper if a lot in free social media anytime you like in the course of the day and really the the prince in years media is close to irrelevant. In quite a lot of the discussions which are going on i would expect her to be and level casualties of least fronted of the sins of the major titles i think one of the effects of the current of our us pandemic will be to accelerate history and it will do so you know kinds of ways which we still come predict one of them im sure is geopolitical. One of them is financial but it will also exaggerate existing trends in fleet street i dont im as you know. Im a journalist in my blood i love print journalism i love newspapers and of course in the world of that the most i have bought but i tell you something that i write there are a bunch of the mergers and titles are bound to disappear and it fills me with an happiness to the fair to geo political impact of such a pandemic but give us an outline of what you think that effect will be well the most obvious in the grey versts one is relations with china which is all the same for the case now that the emerging world part challenging the us hegemonic has been is china ill show you that is true theres been a wave of attacks on china from very senior places in the west youve got tory m. P. s in protection in particular but also i saw the foreign secretary mr rob saying something i know that if you see trump who seems to be launching a series of attacks on china he did this of course in 2016 when he was being elected but its much stronger now and its much more vicious and have at the domestic political scene well the revelation that they they to kingdom is likely to have the highest death rate in europe empat on the public consciousness when we eventually pull through this Health Crisis will that have significant effects and how the public regard the government over the medium term i think its not appropriate to go heavily into that at the moment is the right questions now are you move forward but if it turns out to be the case and nobody wants any country to do badly that britain has has made mistakes along the way which of cost thousands or tens of thousands of lives then of course there must be an accounting no less really. For purposes of political point scoring but simply said if a pandemic or when a pandemic happens again we know why it was what were the right things the seasons which remember what were the wrong ones and so i do project that there will be political consequences and but theyre more to do with understanding what has been a very grave situation theres been some quite vigorous criticism that bothers johnson didnt make his statement about the strategy out of the pandemic out of the crisis to parliament the choice instead to do a private estate of address on a sunday night direct on television is not a substantial complaint are our m. P. s merely beckoning about not being given their place and status what should have happened is that mr mr johnson should have come to parliament a monday he should set out the his policy in the schematic way he did on sunday night at the same time they would have published the documents giving the precise details and then in the evening or monday evening he should have addressed the nation directly and i think they made it was an insult to parliament therefore an insult to parliamentary democracy and of course its one of the reasons why a cabinet ministers are reportedly feeling upset because they were excluded to another words making the announcement the rhetoric on t. V. On a sunday night and not to parliament he is open you know i am him self up to justify criticism. These are all going to london thank you very much indeed and its always a huge pleasure to talk to you are. Coming up after the break we move across the atlantic and consult with Pulitzer Prize winning journalist chris hedges. To recruit some of you have a lot of people we can keep barry im going to members i think that at least they have revolved you could probably. Body in the creek in the birth week that was really grew beach. Business which most of them resident. In the. Mean you need. A pill ask yourself how are you going to survive how are you going to protect yourself a little bit with tools off your phone for the up or the flu than the old local quality to him or the care for the future what you do in the corporate world or in the little store it is a. Good customer because i was very sick to see it but im not where you have to say. Its using technology where theyd been able to me x. Peoples private information on the cell phones and see what youve seen if you have crossed offs with somebody who is positive want to run a virus and if youre not if you have a meaty scenes you misuse the cost on to somebody who has tested positive ts you must be in i mean tina. But i think that there was an interesting thing is that all the people around them or are in the same. So what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy confrontation let it be an arms race on all sides here in Dramatic Development only closely im going to resist i dont see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. Do you think you could take you through. It if you could. Get a clue to some wasnt until its content isnt it you want. Them to sure his name is believed and with this is. Just a cute name you clearly think youve said theres no one on the islam muslim to. Do so you can. Use the. Money and come down you from me my siblings or do you go for. Welcome back in the u. K. As weve heard at the start of the crisis much of the media were pretty supportive of the newly elected johnston government over the atlantic much of the press were already critical of the trumpet ministration and his handling of the crisis as. Criticism many times over to analyze a thumb to chris hedges the Pulitzer Prize winning journalist author of a post an academic chris welcome back to the alex salmond show. Thank you chris the president has clearly sought to deflect responsibility onto his predecessor that ministration for lack of preparations on to the World Health Organization for mis calling the the crisis as the president caesar or d in deed on to china for being the origin of the crisis how successful has he been thus far in deflecting responsibility elsewhere. With most of the country not successful at all but within his base. While it has taken hits it it remains affective you have these kind of astroturf to protests outside of state capitals i live in new jersey we even had one in new jersey these are people although not in new jersey who show up with weapons demand a reopening i think its hard to underestimate the power of news outlets like fox fox news which had all the kinds of conspiracy theories that trump. Propagates out of the white house and that the anti science sentiments which of course cater to the christian right that perhaps a 3rd of the country that doesnt believe in evolution and you know thinks trump is me as any one percent support among the evangelical movement this is a nonreality based movement which. Is kind of impervious to news outlets that still remain rooted in verifiable fact the death toll from the less deadly virus thus far the United States is by some measure of the highest in the world but of course by head the population at the still as we speak running at half the level compared to the United Kingdom literally all indeed fronts. A feeling in the United States the that the as the some sort of National Shame in the above the subject the of having such a high death toll relative to other countries i would again say among a majority of the population 50 or 60 percent of the population thats true now the New York Times ran a story the other day about how trump support among the elderly and it was high among the elderly as a roading because of course the white house is through a. Its a rush to reopen the economy which it knows will exacerbate the spread of corona and of course the death count that comes with that the theres there are signs that among the older supporters of trump they realize theyre being sacrificed i think i cant stress enough this massive chasm that has opened up in the United States between those who merge fact and opinion and those who still remain rooted in any universe where facts matter your people but that critical of the 1200 dolla payment the socalled helicopter money but many economists would object to the least as be the way of getting some cash into the the hands of a population who in many cases a badly in need of any finance athol whats been the basis of you have done this policy because its too meager and 1200. 00 you know the average rent that isnt going to cover your rent of course we have now rent strikes throughout the country in essence theyre de facto rent strikes because people cant afford to pay their rent that money gets vacuumed up by Credit Card Companies or and has gone Unemployment Insurance has been extended although many people cant access the system because its antiquated systems crash. You know were now projected unemployment rates 2530 percent by this summer so my criticism is that its almost a symbolic gesture towards a population when i mean if youve seen the pictures the breadlines now the of in the United States stretch for miles and as this situation continues and and i think because of the trump inability to handle the pandemic we are and this of course most. In. Factious disease act experts are now saying this we are just going to see wave after wave after wave which will not only put more strain on an inadequate for Profit Health care system but have exacerbate the economic crisis that the United States is in so if i have this right in britain you pay employers and then employers pay workers 80 percent of their wages thats not whats happened here so you have Small Business after Small Business that is now going bankrupt well not even Small Businesses major jim chains golds gym for instance or there are all already declaring bankruptcy and weve just begun so its a wholly inadequate response to the economic devastation that has been visited on the american working class and shows no sign of abating let us be the only common sale of the press to the latest assault on the a bomb the kill the medi care in the middle of a Health Crisis is that seeding by some is a misstep too far from the trumpet ministration or will that once again play to the president s Political Base blocking entry into obamacare means they dont have any Health Insurance at all so just the callousness and the. Inability on the part of donald trump in the Republican Party to grasp whats happening i think means there will inevitably be blowback in the terms of social unrest how that will manifest itself given the configurations of American Society i dont want to predict it very well that the system has betrayed. The working class and the working poor it was true before this pandemic were now seeing that system utterly shut its doors to people in deep distress. And that will have consequences you know to what extent trumps base can be penetrated by reality i remain nav i spent 2 years writing a book on the christian right im not completely convinced that it cant i think that the christian right in these groups that engage in magical thinking essential a function what in the same way that what anthropologists will call crisis call where the assault of the fact based real world is just too much. So were headed for uncharted territory and i think we must never forget that the United States is a deeply violent culture where you have huge numbers of american Citizens Armed with a centrally military grade assault style weapons you know you can see them with kalashnikov saray or fourteens or fifteens standing on the steps of state houses and Southern States and in the last couple of weeks so the dark pathologies of the United States are coming out the pandemic is bringing them out with a vengeance and and where thats going to lead i i think it would be very difficult to predict the only thing i would say is that its probably not going to lead anywhere good but they have National Emergency a Health Crisis so fun precedented the proportions but you would think within that political up of china thief of the Democratic Party a to really achieve ascendancy is that i me prospect a figure like governor of collateral as as got great praise for the for his the Daily Press Conferences a chance of the if figures such as that made the mabs to overtake the lure profile in the Vice President biden well the democrats have certainly selected probably the weakest candidate they could find in. Joe biden theres all sorts of talk within the Democratic Party and wild scenarios running Hillary Clinton with barack obama as the Vice President or drafting andrew cuomo or but i dont think the democrats know you know how that would play out you know it would it would have to be before the convention or the convention on the 2nd ballot would have to draft a can i dont know i dont think anyone knows but that the Democratic Party is concerned is clear with good reason biden is an extremely weak candidate against trump chris hedges you have no one for a quite a pessimistic and forceful analysis of the of the state of the american body politic is another thing youve seen in terms of response to this crisis at state level perhaps the give you some cause for optimism the way that the people of rally driving to tithe help the fellow human beings in this in this time of thanks tremonti well the state response is a very depending on the state. So some states have not taken the pandemic seriously especially in the midwest other states new jersey i live in one of the although we have the 2nd highest death rate in the country and new york state you mention Governor Cuomo have. Of course some in the heroism of the front line workers and not just the medical workers but the food service i mean all of those people actually keep a society functioning has been impressive what has been distressing is the inability on the part of the government to ensure their safety and the fact that they have a sustainable wage theres heavy pressure on the part of corporations and the oligarchy can lease to put human life on the all. Sure of profit they would just rather lose more citizens and in fact more citizens than see this economic devastation continue so the response of the United States unlike Great Britain has just its theres been no coordination and thats part of the problem so if you have a state like new jersey where we are the schools are now closed for the rest of the year and there are very strict guidelines about social distancing and you have to wear a mask in public but then you have state south dakota montana mississippi everywhere else where there are georgia where theyre just opening for business then youre just in essence creating new clusters which means that this thing will be with us the spend demick will be with us for months and months and months with all of the attendant problems that come with it chris hedges from new jersey thank you very much indeed thank you. In this week of the 75th anniversary of victory in europe day its hardly surprising that the Coronavirus Crisis is often depicted in wartime terms on that basis Neither Administration in london or in washington is having a good war initial plaudits for the Johnson Administration are no but a fading memory as the u. K. Government comes on the ever greater scrutiny for its handling of the crisis meanwhile the heat has reached such a fever pitch in washington the president from has actually threatened to abandon his daily briefings as a result of press hostility in reality it is neither the u. K. Governments faltering performance nor the american president s occasionally bizarre briefings that are responsible for the mounting chorus of criticism and the press sharpening their knives what really matters is the mounting toll of the dead and the dying with both the United States and the United Kingdom vying with each other to be the worst performer and International Terms there is no doubt the International Comparisons look bad for both governments know both countries to some degree are engaged in loosening the law dont descriptions of fight having in place a fully developed system for testing for tracing for isolating for both administrations this represents a massive gamble it is not just a reputation of governments but the reputation of entire countries theyre likely to be governed by the performance during this Global Crisis for both the United States and the United Kingdom right know the transit line takes special relationship looks like one of failure so for me and the rest of the team its good bye for now i stay safe and well see you next week. Back in the 97. 00 days i recall supplemental advertising was illegal you know like a soft drink companies would run a image so fast on the commercial of somebody you know in a desert you know dehydrated and this was. It in your unconscious mind and this was illegal and subliminal ads were taboo but you know we live in an age where all all communication at all pattern attacks the subconscious and the unconscious in the form of meaningless. Descriptions sound up even for the owners so how to choose the pet Food Industry is telling us what to feed our pets really more based on what they want to sell us than was necessarily good for the pet turns out picks food may not be as healthy as people believe we have animals that have you know diabetes in arthritis they have auto immune disorders allergies we are actually creating these problems its a huge epidemic of problems all of them i believe can be linked to very simple problem of diet and some dog owners so heartbreaking stories about their pets streets the larger corporations are not very interested in proving or disproving the value of their food because theyre already making a 1000000000. 00 on it and theres no reason to do that research. We go to work you straight home. Welcoming of us from around the world live from Central London this is all to u. K. Elite and h s b mail claims coronavirus tests from commercial labs have disappeared into a data black cold frustrating efforts by local authorities to get the crisis under control as the government continues to fail to hit its target of 100000 daily tests. Potential updates to the n. H. S. Is called text tracing app including continuous Location Tracking accidently told line ill be talking to a days have privacy expert children. And see chinese racism souls in britain according to a report with some physically abused spat out and told to go back to china we have the professor behind the study. Also the game is most to teach children the funny of social distancing on getting them to commit mosques and avoid people on the streets ill be speaking to one of the games creatives top psychologist professor Richard Wiseman thats a little later. Data from thousands of coronavirus tests a vanished into a black hole according to the. Email leaving local organizations with all the information needed to fight the pandemic that says the government continues to mrs 100000 daily testing target and these statistics watchdog reveals the true scale of the u. K. Wide infection what you can use should it was done she joins me live here in the studio to show what do these revelations mean so essentially what were doing with this the house surface journal has just seen an email from the n. H. S. Which is allegedly revealing tens of thousands of 19 key workers testing kits have reportedly gone missing 5 to dangerously so vanishing into a data hole so it specifically is referring to the fact that tests are completed outside the n. H. S. So in commercial labs from home testing and drive through kits the issue is though without this crucial information local authorities and organizations do not know exactly how many people in the area have tested positive meaning they cant respond adequately or efficiently nor are they able to work out the capacity for more tests and according to the methodology essentially that its understood that data on regional outbreaks is crucial for the track testing of the program thats being implemented by the government at the moment even more worryingly in the last few days the majority of tests have not occurred within the n. H. S. Format but in these commercial laps in fact 60 percent have been via these commercial labs plus we understand that up to 7000 people have tested positive for 19 all over mung state a meaning that g. P. s wont know exactly who is affected and what sort of clusters theyre having to deal with on a local level now last week the chief medical officer professor chris witty apologized saying that this data wasnt available to the n. H. S. Teams and admitted the fault there that comes after scores of g. P. s were complaining that they werent able to monitor what was going on in their area the government as i say also does acknowledge their fault but says that issue has been fixed. Data is not disappearing and there was a recent technical error relating to postcode data but this is now being fixed and a fully corrected data flow was issued last week this did not prevent Public Health bodies from undertaking Contact Tracing of those with positive results. Now we also asked the n. H. S. For comment but they have yet to respond to us so well bring you that when we get it but this blunder isnt just happening here in england its also understood that scottish ministers are facing very similar difficulties as they are still on able to show the results to the g. P. s there for those are testing positive for covert 19 and thats an issue thats happened since early april of course critics have a long been concerned about the issue of testing in general we know that Health Secretary matt how at the beginning of april set aside a deadline a selfimposed government deadline of trying to reach a 100000 test every single day by the end of april they managed to just do that just a few weeks ago having said that the government is not on track to do so every single day as on record the government has missed 8 out of 10 days of its own target and sure theres been a big study on the infection level saluki according to the office for National Statistics theyve just released some new figures and it really gives a truer picture of the scale of the pandemic so between the 27th of april and the 10th of may on average 0. 27 percent of the population had it thats around 150000 people however just 60000. 00 people during that period of time tested positive so figures are essentially more than double the governments according to those statistics this also comes as the governments official death toll figures are also in in the last 24 hour period theres been a leap of 428. 00 deaths it jumped back to the higher levels weve seen taking the total to 33614. 00 deaths across the United Kingdom since the pandemic broke out showed your thanks so much for all of that will discuss the governments failure to meeting its testing targets ill be joined by an expert in Infectious Diseases professor Lawrence Young thatll be coming your way in just over an hour from now. Leading i could. A mix of suggested over 100000 people could die from the virus of the current restrictions lifted too quickly researchers from University College london analyzed just under 4000000 Health Records to find out how many could die of the disease report published in the lancet study between 37073000 excess deaths in addition to those who have already passed away the findings are based upon a data model that takes into account a range of variables including age sex and Underlying Health problems or discusses further be joined by the author of the report that will be in just over an hour from now. A number of potential updates to the n. H. S. Is Contact Tracing apps have been accidently elite online the classified document was seen after the government inadvertently left the document open to Public Access it claims that the app could prompt users to input even more personal data including demographic information currently it only asked for the 1st part of a users postcode but the document hints this might change in the future and also the potential introduction of a qubit 19 status in order to inform other users whether a person is sick or isolating and a future version could ask for continuous location data and h s x says that the app doesnt track your location and any future updates will be communicated to the public. The n. H. S. Coded 19 up has been designed to protect users privacy while tackling the spread of infection and could be a key tool to help government manage the pandemic and save lives it does not track location all store any personal information the only os the 1st half of the users post code and if any changes are made it will be fully rolled out in england by next week its currently being trolled in the art of light in the south of england and hancock has claimed the trial has gone the wells so far well for more on their son now joined by data privacy expert jamal jamal good to see another n. H. S. Says that any changes will be publicised so does that. It doesnt actually reassure me in the least. The problem we see with this is the government want to centralize all of the data that they collect into one Central Location now the problem with that is myself and other privileged professionals have already signed a petition to the government saying were really worried about purposely now this government that cant even keep its own documents if we had the new years owners that only a few months ago and now weve seen confidential documents are now left open on a google drive how can we trust this government to protect all of that data about every Single Person thats going to use it in a Central Location where theyve been who they were have been with what happens if it gets into the wrong hands but more importantly than that what were worried about is purpose creep is where else might the government be using this for and from the documents that were labeled confidential that were left in their google drive we can see that they have some updates that theyre planning to collect more information such as demographics and who knows where else they might be wanting to collect but the question is how will this benefit the government in fighting against korea 1000 why do you need demographic information for them the problem we see with this app however is 1st of all its voluntary meaning that not everyone has to use it and its only for people. Choose to use it and even then from the trials after taking place in the isle of wight we know there are a lot of technical problems and people with devices older than 2 years old can actually be used up on the device so its as huge as useful as a chocolate teapot ok then what do you think we should go back to the drawing board take the approach that other countries have using the apple google model which is decentralized whats the difference and whats the benefit of being decentralized. So the benefit is of it being decentralized is that when you think of that about the principles of previously by design and before information is more private rather than it all coming into one place it stays on peoples phone is decentralized so the data that could come into the hands of the wrong person is limited to whats on each specific device and even in that case the data is often pseudo my so you can actually track who its coming from by centralizing the information of the population of the whole of the unity in there in the one place it listens alarm bells ringing the n. H. S. X. That they say that people will remain anonymous and it will not track location data why should we be convinced by that. So i think the problem here is the confidence that we have in the n. H. S. And understanding of the terms like anonymous anonymous data means there is no way of identifying who that is but if we look at the d. P. A. The Data Protection Impact Assessment that theyre done we can see that data can actually be reversed if they wanted to and it can be located back to a specific person which means that data is not anonymous at best its pseudonymous data. Because the app is essential isnt it to get in the country back to normal and that you think that generally that the majority of the population will do all it can to help the government and take part with that we say yes it is voluntary but do you think there will be a big take up of this because of the crisis were facing or do you think people really will hold that because of your concerns so this is a problem bill i mean i remember coming into your show about a month ago and really advocating for tracking and tracing of the problem and the problem here is 2 for the 1st thing is the government hasnt done enough testing of people to find out who is at risk and who isnt so without that the tracing become useless theres so many people Walking Around and they dont know if theyre carrying the virus or if they could be spreading it to other people or not the 2nd problem is this is reliant on Bluetooth Technology so for people to be able to use up they need to have a device thats less than 2 years old 1st of all which is a lot of the population already and then it only works if you come into contact with somebody who has been tested and they say there theyve updated the statement up so that they have been positive if you come within 6 feet of them for 15 minutes or longer now water droplets that travel in our mouth and the travel how if they dont need 15 minutes for 800. 00 the virus it could happen just if you spent 5 minutes within the city of that person so i think its going to its quite worrying and quite concerning that people might die notice up and be lulled into a false sense of security jamal thank you very much indeed for talking to us today. Well learned to turn to the latest figures as they emerge from the home nations n. H. S. England has reported 207 more fatalities in the past 24 hours the scottish 1st minister confirmed 34 deaths in scotland wales has reported 10 and northern and 5 a former director of the World Health Organization has told stallmans hes please northern lot and is taking a different approach to the virus during that we mana Senior Scottish National Party Politicians as corona virus could help pave the way to Scottish Independence accusing westminster of incompetence over its response and it disproportionately high amount of people are dying from covert 19 in the poorest areas of wales thats according to official data with some a look at how things are fairing globally and over 4300000 people have now been infected more than 298000 died and over one of the half 1000000 around the world have recovered now thats according to Johns Hopkins university collates worldwide data. The u. S. Considers threatening china with sanctions over its handling of coronavirus comes as china sanctions australian beef from bali after a call for an inquiry into the origins of the Global Pandemic meanwhile the us secretive state comes under scrutiny after being spotted wearing virtually no protective gear on his trip to israel. Still to come. And see chinese racism soars amid the pandemic according to a report we hear from the professor behind the study and also an online game teaches children the forms of social distancing during a pandemic here from top psychologist professor Richard Wiseman who cocreated began. Is your media a reflection of reality. In a world transformed. What will make you feel safe. Tyson nation full community. Are you going the right way or are you being let. Go of. What is true what is faith. In the world corrupted you need to descend. To join us in the depths. Aura made in the shallowness. The world is driven by shaped by. The dares thinks. We dare to ask. For. A report reveals and teach chinese racism has soared here in the u. K. With the so world leader accused of inflaming the situation because he said he has the story. I would like to begin by announcing some important developments in our war against the chinese virus its not racist at all in the literal it comes from china its what comes from china or to be accurate as well theyre losing their lives everywhere in the world and maybe thats a question you should ask china. Dont ask me has china that question ok the us president and allied countries continue to blame china for the spread of the corona virus but although general Scientific Consensus is that the wildlife markets of. Where the breeding ground the fallout is being felt by innocent people of chinese heritage including some of the 400000 who live right here in the u. K. Because the one that people are being deliberately and obviously being avoided and shunned the people crossing the street couldnt that just because of. The cost and this is before long time before lock up chinese are into restaurants where the 1st to suffer when patrons does to them in drones long before lockdown measures were implemented but now it appears the situation has escalated to out right hostility and racism much of it towards people who were born and raised their whole lives in the u. K. We have examples of people who. Resigned jobs because they get so much abuse on trains and somebody gets stuck taking out morning jog because he was getting at use professor condos report found people of chinese heritage being spat touch physically abused and even told to go back to china half of the 412 people he surveyed said theyd experienced an increase in discrimination since the corona Virus Outbreak began of 3rd said theyd in counted and tea chinese racism in a public place 3 in 10 had experienced it in the workplace while 16 percent of the abuse took place on public transport now with the lockdown finally big lifted thats left some fearing that the hatred will only get worse as i was getting on the train stopped Walking Stick case to the station and. Something hit my head. Despite here and i looked up and there are these 2 men looking down at me. And i actually shouted up at them and so did you because they were looking down at me and i said did did you just click touch my hair he thought that spit so did you just ringback special me. All of this is really in shock and disbelief because nothing like this is ever. Before the crime figures certainly reflect those experiences and Police Forces report that hate crimes against Chinese People have risen to 267. 00 in the 1st 3 months of this year including physical assault and criminal damage thats 3 times the number reported in the previous 2 years and to professor khandala its obvious whats fuelling it the you know so youve got the the the the so star leader of the free world being charged and he did it again and hes consistently doing it and it gives license to people i think to be a hole that sue exercise their own prejudices the kind of divisive rhetoric weve seen coming from some leaders may just be a weapon in the trade and to a political war between china and the west before those feeling the impact of it on the streets of the United Kingdom its anything but again its leaving many of them questioning their place in a society which is the only one theyve ever known. Of the u. K. But. The e. U. Could sue the u. K. If it pushes ahead with plans to exempt france anonyma from a 14 day quarantine on travel as from abroad speaking on sunday the Prime Minister said that no measures would apply to travelers coming from france at this stage it comes after the french president demanded concessions in a phone call with Boris Johnson but experts warn that such a move could result in the u. K. Facing a costly legal challenge as britain remains subject to the European Court of justice until the end of the transition period in december this year meanwhile euro skeptic m. P. s urged the government to stand up to the block. So once we make that judgment about what works for the greatest safety of people in the u. K. It is time for us to stand up for ourselves and do what we think is right people want to get bricks it done theyll be surprised 1st time we try to take control we end up being sued under current plans anyone flying into the country will remain in isolation for 14 days to prevent coronavirus being brought in from overseas but also apply to british travelers returning from holiday passengers could be forced to provide an address at the border and those breaching the corn team could pay a fine or face being ported over the final decision is yet to be taken we took to the streets to get reaction about the french being exempt. The whole notion that i dont understand i dont understand why they would be exempt to be qualified to be because theyre infected like most of the low frons anywhere youre coming from in this country you should be quarantined from frons germany any where youre coming from you should be put in quarantine because remember the virus is. Over there too so i think that they should people may try to. Transfer it to france and then. You say well thats my point and for this rule of thought that. She left saying one country gets away with that when all the countries in the e. U. Are taking their 1st steps toward snowman it seems some including germany have already begun the process of reopening borders with their direct neighbors but this model proved too little for the vital Tourism Sector which has been brought to its knees by the pandemic audis peter one of the explains. Even in the midst of the corona pandemic many europeans are thinking about Summer Holidays but the word from brussels is that those wanting a getaway may well get their wish we are helping europe interest get back on track of all staying healthy and safe we propose a common european approach to manage for them remain a difficult 2020 Summer Season while preparing for a more sustainable and digital tourism eco system in the future the plan is fairly straightforward Member States will open up their borders gradually eventually allowing people to go on their holidays germany will lift border controls with looks and in denmark in the coming weeks with the plan to do the same with france austria and switzerland next month but that still leaves a number of other Member States including those bordering germany with no timetable in place for the ultimate goal. Directive to restore free travel in europe from june and that is what were aiming for sex requires the action will be on the same level as we have these days we have thousands of new infections every day now with hundreds mr z. Hoffa went on to explain that how this develops would be dependent on the situation with the virus something thats being viewed with caution by the chancellor but when it comes to tourism foreign minister heiko musts seems relatively a big we can surely ease the travel warning for europe sooner than for other destinations assuming the positive trend in several countries hold steady talk of tourism comes during troubled times for the travel industry Holiday Companies are pleading with the government says when it comes to whats next for them mine but what if that my firm has been around for 21 years if nothing changes i will have to file for bankruptcy in 3 months its not fair to make note of. We have 11000 travel bureaus in germany where all earning no money at the moment however. I want help from the Government Support fund where not only artist travel dural see them that is but also promoters can get their targets the customers can get their money back and we are commission and we need immediate not through paypal aid the plan is hopeful but ultimately dependent on covert cases being on the contrary which is not an easy ask when you look at 2 of europes main tourism destinations being spain and italy 2 of the hardest hit by corona. Even if sun seekers are packing the beaches its not going to make up for losses already sustained but what it does provide is a glimmer of hope for an industry thats already been pushed to its limit by the virus peter all of our r. T. Burley. And finally a free online game is aiming to teach children the importance of social distancing joining the Coronavirus Crisis developed in just 2 weeks can you save the world racked up 10000. 00 plays in its 1st 2 days. You should be staying in but if you have to go out of it you save the world and. Players must keep their distance from others brutal in cycling on the street as well as avoiding sneezes gathering healthy snacks keeps you in the game longer bar collecting and donating masks helps you save more lives the final score is based on how many lives have been saved by various actions or joining me now is one of the games codesigner as a world renowned professor of psychology Richard Wiseman thank you very much for being with us tell us what made you think of the idea. Well i was out and about distancing like everyone else and it just felt like goes in a kind of computer game so i contacted a colleague of mine martin jacob who is a fantastic game design and said can we do this can we actually try and persuade these kids and adults socially distance by using a rather fun game and thats what we did as you say in about 2 weeks it looks a lot of fun and of course it does appeal to adults too is aimed at them as well but can it really influence childrens behavior. Well we dont know that i mean weve had about a 3rd of players say that when they go outside yes that behavior feels different because of it by think what is important terms of communicating with kids is that you dont want to scare them too much and of course the virus is a very scary message and so this is a fun way of doing its cartoon characters in this rather fancy naleo but it has a very serious intent so fingers crossed it will change the way in which people think and how they behave youre obviously not just a game creator your a world famous expert in psychology and behavioral science or what do you make of the adult reaction to the knock down. Well its were seeing a lot of variation of what people need to understand is that it is for everyones good not only their own benefit but if were socially distanced you know obviously you stay healthier but you dont pass any affections on to others and actually as you said the scoring the game reflects that so if you dont pass the infection on to others they cant pass it on to other people and so you really do save lots of lives i think its a really Important Message and of course many people have it here to the lockdown but psychologically now we look at whats happening the moment did the government scare us too much because obviously the lockdown is easing and many are afraid to go back to work. Well i think everyone just has to make decisions for themselves within the guidelines i think the key thing is that we do stay as safe as possible the one thing we know that really helps with that is social distancing and so thats why we focused on it in the game and its why such a strong message within there so i dont think its difficult when people are out and about to avoid each other to give each other the necessary space often that can be quite challenging when you have you know cyclists and joggers and groups and so on the game reflects sort of that by just think its really important that we learn to do at least that aspect of of really taking care of everything absolutely that it makes us aware and makes us look at those in the bay those social distancing rules but going back to children again when they watch this game there is a fine line isnt there between scaring them and actually teaching them yeah absolutely and lots of my research focuses on how you can get messages across to people particularly as their Health Related but in a kind of fun way because if you scare people too much they close down and they become afraid to go out to tell and so it is a fine line and i think the game helps with that context so yes as we said its a family environment but its also an Important Message and of course if youre doing these things youre playing online theres lots of evidence that when you play those sorts of games when you go out into the real world influences your behavior particularly with these sorts of school prosocial you see yourself or helping person online in the real world you start to volunteer get more money to charity and so on when it comes to social distancing life is going to be very different isnt it what do you think though if we try to talk about getting back to normal with life but what will this sort of new normal look like in a few months or indeed a few years from now ive no idea i dont think anyone knows than that because thats part of the anxiety about this is the uncertainty what we do know is we are pretty resilient folks and were also very plastic we are very good at modifying. Ourselves to china so youve seen behavior modifications already right across the world so actually im fairly optimistic about the future and also what youve seen is a lot of helping behavior obviously people are the front line but people helping within their communities so i think theres reason for optimism i hope the game reflects that in lots of ways i dont think it is going to be all doom and gloom in the future theres a lot of uncertainty but i think we are in a good position to deal with that psychologically and you talk about changes finally were going to see big change in the way we live the way we work we