everyone, then no—one is really truthfully protected. the serum institute in india was one of those places where vaccine production took off and vaccine numbers have been good in india, notwithstanding its enormous population. do you see any hope of that for the developing world? i think the situation is really desperate in africa. - in india, given its vast population, i think it's a major challenge. - so, india is still in the process of completing its second - dose of the vaccine. it still has, ithink, _ about 50% of its population to be given the second vaccine, l so that, i think, does pose a challenge, the sheerj size of the population, but i think the problem is greater in the lower income countries. i and that's where i think some kind of equality needs to be achieved . because the first world having it and the third world not having .