and did it after less than a year as a minister. isn't the truth that he's a big government, high—spending, high tax, high immigration sort of tory? he's not a brexiteer tory, in the sense that you are at all. well, there are different kinds of brexiteer tories, but the one thing they all have in common is thinking brexit is a good thing because it restores national control and democracy and democracy enables you to to have these sort of arguments. and the conservative party has always been a broad church. i think it's a bit simplistic to say he's a high spend, high tax person. i don't really think he's a high tax person. he's certainly said things that make clear he isn't, you know. that's why you quit, isn't it? well, i quit over the, what at the time, looked like the rush back down into lockdown and vaccine, passports and so on, which has all now been kind of forgotten.