you can'tjust be, i'm going to go out on this open rss feed, this old school technology that's been around unchanging for 15 years. it's like newspapers not refusing to go online when the internet was invented or not creating a paywall. all sorts of opportunities have come about for podcasting, and i think we'd be foolish not to take this opportunity to rethink the idea. all right. do you watch podcasts or do you just listen to them? i just listen to them personally. would you watch them? oh, no, iwould not. i personally am somebody who likes to drive the car while i'm listening. i like to go on walks. my house is extremely clean because i listen to podcasts. i personally need to be doing something while i'm listening or else i don't retain the information. all right. just quickly, nick, any prospect of spotify making money in the near future one way or the other? i think that the signs look so bad for big tech generally. i think they're going to slim down,