stopped from the party nomination, even if it takes political gamesmanship at the national convention in cleveland. >> is the person with the most delegates going into the cleveland convention, is that person entitled to the nomination? mitt romney: nobody is entitled to the nomination. the voters decide who they want to support them. the delegates are elected to make a determination. this is a process that is a normal political process. it may go to a contested open convention. that may be interesting, exciting for the public at large. that is part of our political process. either you have to get the delegates and show you have the support of the nation, and if you didn't then you have to go to the convention and convince the delegates. mark: we are 24 hours into mitt romney's crusade, how is it going? john: i thought he performed pretty well today. i thought he made his case in greater detail. i don't think he has dispelled the suspicions of some that he ultimately would like to be the republican nominee. by and large i think romney's driving the message strongly. mark: chris christie is the polar opposite. there are three camps in republican world. those endorsing trump for the establishment. people who are saying they are against trump but if he is , nominated they will support him. and that people like romney who say he will never support trump. i think romney is having surprising traction with that position and without it is ok to use the rules of the party to stop somebody if they don't have a majority. is ani think it intellectually unassailable position in that the rules are quite clear. other you get a majority of delegates, or you cannot. if you do not, there are a clear set of rules in place. there is a first ballot, and if you don't win, it becomes a contested convention. i think you can be a great fan of the rules of order. robert's rules of order. this becomes fair game, fairplay. i want to tell you a story about little marco and big donald. last night at the republican debate in detroit the two white , house hopefuls stood as stoic statesman. addressing the american people with a dignified discussion about issues of urgency to the electorate. sorry, i was a tapping a little reverse acid flashback. as everybody that solvate knows, it was an exercise in pure ability, petulance and penile allusions. does it change anything in the republican race, and does it do any lasting image as some conservatives have suggested? mark: people have said for several weeks they cannot watch the debates or political rallies with their kids in the room. marco rubio escalated that rhetoric over the couple weeks. last night did turn off a lot of people. i don't know if it will have a negative effect on the candidates, but it had a negative effect on a lot of people, saying omg, i can't believe this is a major presidential debate with the final 4 finalists. john: the ratings are off the charts in the debates and americans are tuning into this hotly contested nomination. seeing that level of discourse -- it blows my mind that there was a time in our memory, and our lifetimes in which the republican party was a party of ideas. it is not the party of ideas anymore. police on the basis of what we saw on the debate stage last night. mark: you see the tension out of the mouth of marco rubio. on the one hand trying to continue his insults against donald trump. to do what his campaign thinks is keeping him in the race. and the other, when he said i wish we could be talking about ideas. but it's hard when donald trump is in the race. we come back, my full interview with governor mitt romney on everything trump, including how just how far romney is willing to go to stop the current front-runner. that interview when we come back. ♪ mark: as mentioned earlier, mitt romney stopped by our studio today to talk about his anti-trump project. we started by talking about the feedback he has heard since yesterday. mr. romney, thank you for joining us. it has been 24 hours since you gave your speech. i am wondering what you have experienced directly and what what you have observed as a reaction to it. mitt: i have received a lot of support from friends and associates. they have sent a record number of e-mails and messages. mark: anyone you can tell us who viewers would know? mitt: i would not think so. those people can express themselves if they would like to. i said in my speech that we can measure the readiness of donald trump to be president in part of how people responded to my speech, whether it be policy or a personal attack. characteristically, he took the low road. mark: there has been some negative reaction, rush limbaugh reacted negatively. does that bother you at all? mitt: i do not see their reaction. i cannot respond to the specifics. frankly i'm speaking out on something that i cared deeply about. that is the country we are in and the nature of my party. i have anything that donald trump has neither the expertise nor temperament to be president. mark: there have been moments along the way, where you and mrs. romney together have said that is too far, too much. can you think of those in the last few weeks or months where you or mrs. romney have said that is too much? mitt: it is a long list. his comments about mexicans, that was very early on. then comments about muslims most , recently what he said with regards to the equivocation on david duke and the ku klux klan. and then saying that george w. bush was a liar, at the same time saying putin is someone who he respects as a strong and effective leader. it has been one outrage after the other. his mocking of a reporter based on their physical disability. and the sexual and vulgar elements that have been a part of this campaign. all of that has been troublesome. this is been a low road campaign from the beginning. mark: anything that was the last straw, or was it q relative? --punitive -- cumulative? mitt: i thought i could remain somewhat neutral in this call , the balls and strikes and a foul here and there. with the ku klux klan equivocation and with how late this is getting in the process, i said to myself when my grandkids come and say, what are you going to do to stop donald trump? i don't want to say i did nothing. mark: a big date is tuesday when florida and other states vote. you did your speech yesterday, you have done some interviews. is that it? what will you be doing between now and then? you said you would do everything you could to stop donald trump. mitt: i'm doing this, which probably reaches more voters than showing up in a state. i am not sure that me showing up in a state would make much difference anyway. most people want you to come in endorse a candidate. i am not doing that. i am laying out the case why we need to have a real republican lead our party. and why donald trump isn't that person. that is something i continue to invest in the media. mark: after today, are you done? mitt: i have a show or two tomorrow. beyond that i will continue to , work behind the scenes and do whatever i can do that is effective. mark: what about your fundraising network? there are super groups try to raise money to stop donald trump. will you hope without effort? mitt: i am, and i think they have probably noticed in my remarks yesterday. i'm hoping those people who are saying donald trump is effectively the nominee, we might as well get on board -- i hope they say we minute and give a second look. mark: you are pretty wealthy. not as wealthy as donald trump.are you going to give money to any of those groups ? mitt: i may. that is something my wife and i will have to decide. mark: some people talk about his taxes. harry reid and others speculated about your taxes before you put them out. you know something about his taxes? do you have some informed guess or are you doing some trolling? mitt: i indicated what i believed to be a bombshell in his taxes. that's because every times when raise the question about his taxes he evades. , you don't do that if you are planning a relationship with them. he began by saying they are beautiful, bold, and that he's going to release them. as time goes on, he has come up with new excuses why he won't release them. the most recent is that it's being audited. for five years he is being audited. now he says no, 2-3 years. so, give us the taxes that aren't being audited. but you won't do that either. he does not want to release his tax returns under any circumstances. i don't believe he ever will because there is something in there that he is afraid of if people saw it they wouldn't vote for him as nominee. mark: would it be enough for him to releases income, charitable intrusions? mitt: no. candidates for office have traditionally given the tax returns. whether it's one or five years, i provided my tax returns in the year that i had it been completed. in january 2012. we are now in march of the selection. it is late to be releasing returns. you want to be doing it. mark: let's take this away from donald trump and talk about who is entitled to the nomination. is the person with the most delegates going into the cleveland, who doesn't have a majority, but a plurality. is the -- are they entitled to the nomination? mitt: no one is entitled to the nomination. the delegates make a determination of who will be in the best interest of the party to be the nominee. this is a process that is a normal political process. it they go to a contested open convention. i think that would be interesting. either you have to get the delegates and show you had the support of the nation, you have 1237 delegates, and if you didn't, you have to go to the convention and convince the delegates. mark: let's say trump gets 48% of the delegates. you would be comfortable being part of a dialogue citing 48 is not 50, he will have to fight to get 50%. he's not the one that should be the presumptive nominee with 48%. mitt: a person like donald trump, who has said what he said about muslims, mexicans, women, george bush, john mccain -- a person like that should not be the nominee of our party or be the president. i will campaign for an alternative the donald trump until that avenue is no longer open. mitt: would you say to those that voted for him? mitt: i will do my best to get other people to vote in a different direction. that is how politics works. we have a political process that is been used before. i anticipate you are going to see a process where people decide the best way forward. if there was no such thing as an open convention, my guess is the three people running, as opponents to donald trump right now, when combined -- would combine to 1. those that are running separately, they think it is not the best chance of getting the delegates at the convention they need. mark: we will be back with more from my interview with mitt romney. what he said about who he would vote for in a clint-trump general election. ♪ mark: welcome back. eight years ago you said rough things about john mccain that is , politics. rick santorum and new gingrich said some interesting things about you. that is the way it works. is this different, are the things people will, you and others, saying about donald trump beyond normal politics? gov. romney: i think what he has been doing in the campaign is taking politics to a wholly lower level than we have ever seen, at least in modern times. the attacks based on people's physical characteristics, so saying about carly fiorina, look at her face. saying about marco rubio in the debate, "little marco, little marco," this hasn't been done before. even calling someone a liar. usually you will say "this is a person that has difficulty with the truth." saying, "he's a liar, liar ted," these kinds of things -- and frankly, the vulgarity, that hasn't been a part of political campaigns. it goes on in locker rooms and small groups. but on a public stage, running for president of the united states, to engage in personal attacks is something we haven't seen before. mark: you said you wouldn't vote for donald trump but you wouldn't vote for hillary clinton. even a lot of your own political allies and advisors would say, i do think you would say, that is the most likely outcome still, donald trump in hillary clinton as nominees. what would you do in the general election if those are your only two choices? gov. romney: i would vote for a conservative on the ballot. if there weren't one i was comfortable with, i went right in a name. are you available? [laughter] mark: i may be available. let's say donald trump wins florida and ohio and it looks like by the middle of march he's going to be the republican nominee, would you like to see an effort made by some conservative to get valid access? -- valid access -- ballot acces s? gov. romney: i haven't thought about that. i just don't want to see donald trump or hillary clinton lead our country. i will probably be writing in a name. mark: the winner in all likelihood would be either hillary clinton or donald trump. whose presidency would be better for the country and whose would be worse? gov. romney: i'm going to channel lindsey graham and say do you want to either drink the poison or take the bullet? neither one of those options is one i'd be comfortable with. mark: you are not a fan of hillary clinton being president, and i know you respect the clintons. and hillary clinton as a public servant and person. it doesn't sound like you respect donald trump. as an example for your grandchildren, you don't think from your point of view, that hurley clinton would be better than a donald trump presidency? mitt: i will not do anything to suggest that i am pulling for the democrats. i don't want her as president and i don't want donald trump to be the nominee. mark: it would be a horrible situation those choices, it sounds like you are saying. gov. romney: i would be troubled with those choices. i agree with that. you see polls. the republicans who are supportive of me come up to me time again after the speech and says, thanks for doing that. thanks for what you said yesterday. this is something in which people are concerned about. not all republicans. obviously people support donald trump. but people are uncomfortable with someone whose policies are so far away from the views of mainstream republicans. on foreign policy and with , regards to domestic policy, i said yesterday i'm convinced his policies, if they were implemented, would cost the country to go into recession. he says we will bring jobs back, he has no idea how to do that. other than put in place a big tariff, which are be devastating for the economy. there is a way to get jobs back. ted cruz and marco rubio, john kasich talked about that last night. mark: you know that part of what driving is this election dynamic is a lot of skepticism about among career politicians and even cynicism. last night you had marco rubio and ted cruz continue to say the kinds of things you are saying about donald trump. rubio has said he is a con man. and yet at the end of the debate when asked if they would support him, they said they would. doesn't that lead to some cynicism, where a leading candidate that says this guy is a con man, but yes i will support him as the nominee? gov. romney: it is a difficult decision. they agreed at the beginning of the race they would support the nominee. mark: is in that putting the party above country? gov. romney: they can say i can't stand the guy and i don't want him to be president, but i'm concerned about the supreme court nominee and that is going to tip the balance for me. each one of them has to make that decision. i think they made it clear he should not be the nominee. i agree with them on that. mark: would you trust him more to pick a supreme court nominee than hillary clinton? gov. romney: i think ted cruz made a strong point, which is it is very difficult to know exactly what donald trump is going to do. he has changed his position overtime, but changed it within days on a whole host of issues. york times transcript and what -- when the subject was raised about the new york times transcript and what he said about immigration, it is clear he said something different because he talked about flexibility and wanting to have flexibility. i don't think you would know what he would do. the fact that he has given money to so many democratic contenders suggests that his interest in the court is different than mine. mark: 2 more quick questions. you are optimistic about american people. is it possible donald trump could become the republican nominee, get elected, and turn out to be a much better president and much more in line than what he has suggested to you so far? gov. romney: he says he has never repented, he never asks god for forgiveness. this doesn't seem like a guy who embraces the idea of changing his view or demeanor. i think that is not very likely. all things are possible inhumanity -- in humanity. i'm not going to write off the potential people have to change themselves. something about his temperament, which suggests this kind of unhinged approach is not going to be the kind of leadership we want to see in washington. mark: last question, you obviously had a relationship with him before. he endorsed you. if he calls you tomorrow and says i would like to talk to you and get your advice on how i can run this campaign to make you proud of me and earn your support, would you take that call? what would you tell him? gov. romney: of course, i would be happy to. i would take him through all the things he has said. i would say, if i were you, i would go back and say i was wrong, that was a mistake and i shouldn't have said that. i haven't heard him say he is wrong yet. he should go back and say, what i said about george w. bush, knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction. by the way, but normally just indicts george bush, but our intelligence community. he might go back and say, i was wrong. what i said about putin being a strong and powerful leader, that was wrong. he's a bad guy. he's a thug. what he said about mexicans being rapists, that is wrong. that is what i would like for him to do. mark: if he was to earn your support and he did all that, he could? gov. romney: i'm afraid it would take too much change to consider such a thing. [laughter] mark: i said last question, but i have to ask one more. if a majority of the delegates in cleveland say we vote for mitt romney, we want is romney on the ballot, would you turn that down? gov. romney: would you? the prospect for that happening to me is about the same as you. mark: i'd say it is at least slightly higher for you. if the majority of the delegates voted-- gov. romney: i'm not going to go there. that pretends that i have any interest, and i don't. the reality is our nominee is , likely going to be donald unfortunately. if me and other candidates are successful, it will be one of the other people running for president. it is not going to be someone who is not running for president, not seeking that office, doesn't have the staff that is not what we are doing. ,i want to to nominate someone who can win and leave the country in a way that would make us proud. mark: you and i know at least two people who think it could end up the other way. [laughter] governor, thank you. appreciate it. gov. romney: thank you. mark: our thanks to mitt romney. up next, look at what is happening at the severely conservative cpac meeting after this. ♪ john: i'm down in the fabled washington dc area for the annual c pack conference, where the remaining candidates were scheduled to speak. today it was ted cruz and john kasich,, the latter of whom laid out his case to the party faithful. >> your path that will get you the nomination to 1237 delegates. >> i don't think anybody is going to get there. i'm going to win ohio, and then -- >> you think it is going to be a brokered convention? >> i do. >> i was there when president reagan tried to beat jerry ford. in the end, it worked together. as crazy as this year is, there is nobody who say this isn't nuts, right? can you think of anything cooler than a convention? i have to win 68% of the remaining delegates. marco has to win 64. ted is somewhere around 59 or 60. it is unlikely. john: tomorrow's speakers were supposed be little marco and big donald. one of those is not coming anymore. trunk scuttled a last-minute rally in kansas -- trump scheduled a last minute rally in kansas. this afternoon ted cruz saw that as an opportunity to strike. sen. cruz: donald trump is skipping cpac. [boos] i think somebody told him megyn kelly was going to be here. [laughter] or even worse he was told there were going to be conservatives that were going to be here. [applause] or even worse he was told there libertarians that were going to be here, or even worse he was told there were young people that were going to be here. [applause] none of you have a degree from trump university. [laughter] [chanting trump] [boos] cruz milking ted it out there. we're going to talk to the chair of cpac about the exit trump stage left or right to later in the show. my question has to do with his decision. he has spoken at cpac in the past. it has been a good event for him. what is up with his decision to skip out this year of all years? mark: he was committed to going. there was some question about what the format would be. you look at the way trump has conducted himself, he skipped a lot of events where he would have to be on equal footing with a lot of candidates. he does not always want to be on equal footing. i don't have a good feeling about whether or not this is going to hurt him. it does become part of the narrative about trump being a bit off-balance. even though he is dominating and is the most likely nominee. john: this is an opportunity for him to come in here as a concrete euro. i have been here all day talking to activists and big names in the conservative movement. they all said look, there's a lot of skepticism about trump. he could come here on the precipice of winning the nomination and rebutted forcefully, those who say he was not a real conservative. he could have made that argument. it could've been a big moment for him. the moment he decided to come here, i'm not sure if it was because of a format or he was afraid of a walkout. it is not tough guy trump to back down from what could have been a very big moment for him politically at this stage in the nomination. mark: breaking news, ben carson telegraphed that he will leave the race, and now saying that he will step down. there are a lot of carson supporters at cpac who are up for grabs and trump is going to miss the opportunity to grab them directly. it is a little bit nuts for a candidate to be spending their friday or saturday at cpac as opposed to talking to voters who on the precipice of voting in a very underrated day of voting. john: you could say that, and it's obviously true. ted cruz was tearing up the stage i second ago. you would think given the clock is ticking, it may be better for cruz and marco rubio. on the other hand this is a time honored tradition that presidential candidates show up every four years. i don't think is a good look for trump not to be here. mark: i overstated the case. cpac is obviously a huge event. it is just the scheduling does leave these candidates with the choice. in the coming days we may learn more what went on in his decision not to go. john: coming up, how the conservatives at our -- conservatives at cpac are coping with the idea of donald trump being their party's nominee. you are watching us in washington dc, you can listen to on the radio at bloomberg 99.1 fm. we will be right back. ♪ >> at the biggest gathering of conservatives in the country, everybody is getting a message from the general election. donald trump is the presumptive nominee. >> i won't say that. >> no, not until it is set. >> i do think he will be the nominee, not that i want him to be. no offense honey. i'm not giving up on senator cruz. there is a path. >> i think it's possible. >> right now rubio is a little bit behind. >> name the primary states that he has won. >> uh, he has not. >> cruz is also telling people to vote for you. >> trump's favorite book is the bible. >> i don't think he has ever read it. >> he knows 2 corinthians. >> complete the sentence -- "make america great--." >> again? >> make america great-- >> as it has always been. i don't want to say it. i can't. [laughter] mark: our thanks to the brilliant guy behind the camera and in front of it for capturing the turmoil. talk to us about what is going down here, matt schlapp. i want you to talk about what happened that caused donald trump to not show up tomorrow. matt: he gave us the fastest rvsp to come. he enjoys being here. i have talked to him several times. his team was excited about coming. everything was going smoothly. we worked on a perfect schedule time that would work for him. i think we got stuck on the idea that yes he is the front runner, , but we are going to stick to our rules and how we have explained we're going to handle the time on each stage with each of these candidates. we were going to be fair to all these campaigns. what we will not do is we will not change these rules because one person is doing so well as a front runner. if you come to cpac, you will be treated like the other candidates and have to answer conservative questions. john: every candidate who comes here gives a speech. and then they take questions. there are not a lot of nation journalists. your issue is that you have to do both, and he did not want to take questions. matt: you can do more on the questions, but you can do more on the speech. -- can't do more on the speech. john: is this because of a particular moderator? matt: it had nothing to do with who was going to conduct the question. it is about this, should he follow the same rules as all the other candidates? that is the basic question. john: i would never schlapp you in the face. donald trump is taken a lot of questions from reporters. he has not been unavailable. so why here in this place, where he has a good reception in the past? side.i will take the good he feels like a lot of people connect to him here. he wanted to give a big, long, speech, which is what he is used to doing. he is allowed to do at his campaign events. but when he comes here conservatives are setting the , rule. john: are you annoyed, are you disappointed, are you both? in the institutional feel-- hours, ir the last 24 have had every emotion. i'm just disappointed. wedding needs to happen for the conservative movement is they need to hear all these candidates. we do a lot of divisions and issues. they are going to deal with those issues. if we are having a family dispute, everybody has to come to the family reunion. john: this event is obviously a huge deal for the republican party and the conservative movement broadly. every four years, the candidates all come. that is basically the way it is done. donald trump not coming, is there anyway to see that as anything other than a huge sign of disrespect for the people who are actually at this event? matt: no. it is disrespectful, it sends a message that priorities are greater than talking to conservatives. if you don't live in new hampshire and live in south carolina, don't live in one of these early states, this is your chance to get an up close personal look. did you see what ted cruz just did in the audience? that is the thing that can happen that bonds this candidate to conservative supporters. even john kasich god a standing ovation. it is important to be here today. john: there are those that say donald trump is not actually a conservative, he is a closet liberal. it seems this would be the most important moment to step forward and make an argument that he is a real conservative. is this a huge opportunity squandered? matt: i think you made a whiff skipping the debate and a whiff today by not following the rules and coming to cpac. i don't think it will have a positive effect on him. john: what do you think the potential consequences are going to be? matt: i saw ted cruz lighting that audience up. he gives fuel to the fire, he may give fuel to the rubio fire. we will see tomorrow. i would not do that if i were at the stage in the campaign. john: if tomorrow donald trump and his people come out and say this has nothing to do with the format, this was a scheduling conflict -- you are saying if they say that they are not telling the truth. matt: i believe in happy endings. if they want to follow our rules we can make it work. john: if they are claiming anything other than a format conflict in play, they are not telling the truth? matt: they would not be honest. this is a great event and you're having a great time. matt: talk to me saturday evening. so far so good. john: matt schlapp, always a pleasure to talk with you. coming up, we have a turn from cpac to super pacs. we talked to the head of a ted cruz ally for beating trump right after this. ♪ john: our next guest keeps promising to come back on our show and she always keeps the promise, kelly anne conway. head of one of ted cruz' super pacs. i want to pick up with you what we left off with chairman matt schlapp. donald trump not coming here. in your obviously biased view, what does donald trump not coming here say to the conservative movement? >> i'm not biased as much as informed. i am also on the board of acu. i know what matt said is true, we work with these candidates trying to get everyone to agree to a certain format. it is too bad for donald trump. thatis an audience reacts as much to messages as messenger. if he came here and talked about how americans are getting killed with isis and kill without economy, mr. trump would have had a good reception here. he is clearly not afraid to take tough questions. he stood on the debate stage for 2 hours and took fire from all sides. he took some personal and salacious insults as of late marco rubio. scheduling conflict -- the man doesn't -- he can just leave early in the morning and get to kansas. john: you just basically ruled out all the possible explanations, what explanation could you give? >> they feel like these should be in these states. this is the purist form of direct democracy. great reception for governor kasich earlier. they want to hear from the candidates directly and they get a front row seat as opposed to other people who have access all year long. john: this is an incredible week in some ways, but this week is incredible. you have trump by refusing to repudiate kkk's david duke in a forthright way. he got there sort of. a huge night on super tuesday. we then have governor romney coming out trying to stop the most likely next nominee, then the debate last night. give me a sense of your history in republican politics. is this the weirdest most volatile week? >> to the 10th power. the answer is yes. [laughter] it almost seems like crazy crazy du jour. the rnc shortened the calendar, so part of it is the condensed calendar we are facing. so many people are weighing in later in the game. people who did not take trump as seriously. now they see jeb has fallen, scott walker, marco rubio won minnesota and very little else. they are worried about stopping trump. if you want to stop donald you don't do the hashtag #stoptrump or something. did the ballot in virginia say kasich,ruz, rubio, not-trump? of course it doesn't. you can't figure it out later at the convention. it does not work that way. marco rubio should do the honorable thing. he had his shot, old adulation the media on his side, all these , endorsements. he hasn't been able to put it to bed. it's not his time. he ought to drop out and endorse senator cruz. john: there is no sign he is doing that. you have a lot of energy trying to stop donald trump. you also have people in the conservative movement. different concerns than the establishment has, the grassroots conservatives. at the same time we would all agree that he is most likely the next republican nominee. >> he is. john: so explain the scenario by which trump is stopped? i don't just say a candidate has to stop them. but what actually happens that senator cruz rises up? >> the bulls suggest if it is cruz and trump, cruz has an advantage in that way. they're competing for the same voters. they are the two original antiestablishment candidates. lindsey graham taking back his comments, attacking ted cruz and saying the choices shot or poison. john: i don't know which one is being shot or being poisoned. >> he might have to rally around senator cruz, which is right. what senator rand and others are seeing is that at least we are working with one of her own that knows their way around washington.the scenarios are the field winnowing down more, rubio or k-6 dropping out. a lot of those rubio voters would go to cruz. if rubio himself would get behind cruz, you have to win in the field's about delegates go. if mr. trump did not win ohio or florida, the method does not add up for him. the idea of contesting the convention and filling in the blanks -- the establishment is flat on its back. you can't invent enough moderate voters for marco rubio to get enough votes. that's not the base of the party this year. john: john kasich says it's for him and senator cruz and senator rubio, but there's no way for any of them to get to 1237 at this point. that is his argument. >> he's at 4% of the delegates. i can understand that is why it's his position. john: is there a scenario for you where ted cruz could end up with a majority of the delegates? >> yes he could. right now mr. trump needs 52% of the remaining delegates to win. about 59%.z needs marco rubio is closer to 65 or 66%. that is a lot of delegates. huge percentages. i'm surprised after super tuesday there hasn't been more said or written about the fact that mr. trump still needs 52% of them. he did not have as good night as people expected. i don't want to take anything away from him. he won most of the states. he is obviously the front-runner in the republican party. at the same time, the percentage that senator cruz put on the board in a place like texas, 44% of 155 delegates, that is a lot. john: two quick questions. one if donald trump beats john kasich in ohio, is it's not the case that he is unstoppable? >> he looks pretty darn unstoppable at that point. a lot of the delegates are unbalanced. i do want to bore your audience with bound versus unbounded delegates, but that is a very important piece of information this time. if you were just in that audience, just in that hall at cpac, it is unbelievable how much people are on their feet for conservatism. john: literally. ted cruz got a great night saturday, or just a good night? >> he could have both, he could have either. all the states are up saturday. john: i think ted cruz could have a pretty good day on saturday is my judgment. thank you for coming in. coming up, who won the week? we will be right back. john: this is the lowliest, wildest, hea scratching-est weeks i've seen. mark: i think both clinton and trump will be the nominees. nominees. john: mitt romney this something very potent, and you have to take your hat off to him. coming up next on "bloomberg west," emily chang speaks with governor jerry brown. to--lk mark: we are back here monday. thanks for watching, have a great weekend. sayonara. ♪ ♪ ideas" powered by hyundai motors. ♪ secondary artworld is vibrant and booming as never before. it is the 21st century phenomenon trade a global industry in its own right. we look at the artists at the heart of this. artists with the unique power to astonish, challenge, and surprised. in this program, we take a close look at ns harsha. ♪

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