devised this list of techniques, waterboarding, sleep deprivation among a bunch of other things that are equally as horrifying. did he when you talked with him, even though he would not confirm or deny reports that he was that man, did he defend these methods? >> yeah, michaela, he did seem to defend these interrogation techniques. he said "nothing was done to those detainees that aren't done to our servicemen and women by our own training programs. i think it's a national discussion. the administration and the people of the united states really have to ask themselves if whether in a situation like immediately after 9/11 they think it's a good idea to let them lawyer up." he also said he think wes need to have a national discussion about torture and whether we should allow these terrorists to lawyer up. >> now he was a contractor, right? and there are allegations, reports, he was paid a lot of money. the firm was paid millions and millions of dollars to advise and oversee this interrogation process. what does he say about the