of people on the street in ferguson said you know what there are good cops here, a lot of good cops but it's about the leadership. it's tough to change at the top, though isn't it? >> personally think it should be abolished, i don't see any reason for ferguson to have its own police department. >> what if they end up losing coverage as a result of reapportionment? >> that can be dealt with by effective policing. let me raise one issue, chris, i think it's very important, and not just about ferguson and not even just about missouri. what the report shows is that the police were using the african-american community to raise money for government. the issue of using fines, using minor offenses as a way of raising money so the city doesn't have to raise taxes, this is a huge issue all over the country. and i think the justice department is going to take a look at it. not just here but elsewhere. keep an eye on this. this is a major civil rights issue. because african-americans through paying fines, are being