witnesses who did not talk the them. who managed to stiff arm the congressional committee and not give information. what is interesting is that jack smith has been able to talk the those people. and the attempts to invoke executive privilege or attornatto attorney-client privilege have been reject by the courts. so you know jack smith has been able to gather far more evidence than the january 6th committee was able to. >> yeah. mike pence, for example. so many of the officials. and you've been outspoken about the state of democracy and preserving it. we've seen a preview of what trump's defense could look like. he said things like he has the right to question the election. did he a will the more than that. he tried to overturn the election. in your view, how big of a moment is this for the country in preserving the democracy?