there. we know it was dangerous. >> we just heard former spokesman for the white house national security council call it a failure. >> everyone agrees. >> he doesn't know why -- >> they want the obama administration to explain why they were there. >> that's the conversation we ought to have. it's not the conversation we're having at this hearing because the hearing's not on the level. it is a partisan witch hunt. we can go back it was the policy of the united states of america to support the overthrow of moammar gadhafi. >> and to save the people of benghazi. >> and try to save the people of benghazi. it wasn't just barack obama and hillary clinton. it was john mccain and lindsey graham. >> and france and uk. >> and europeans. allies in europe and many arab allies. it may have been a bad policy, but don't fool yoouurself that' not what this is about in the least. >> secretary clinton started talking about smart power and the use of power, but i think one of the things we haven't heard enough about okay, once you achieve your objective what