independents. that's why i think it's going to be a problem. >> if it comes up, how will she handle it? >> she's already said it took her a long time to get there, but she already said it's a mistake and she shouldn't have done it and i think, then, but you know what she'll say? the american people really care about x, y and z. they don't care about my e-mails. >> they do care about everything else. when your story doesn't hold up, she continue to care about it. >> but right now she's -- >> and we saw what we could do right, we did some things wrong. >> these are two separate issues. we have a tendency to conflate them, to mix them together. i believe the e-mail issues are a far more significant issue against her as things stand now than benghazi, despite the loss of lye of four individuals. >> you guys are smart. know your politics. appreciate it, guys. up next, what is the secret to