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This morning on the washington journal, we asked viewers to weigh in. We want to know whether you think the president should move forward on hiS Immigration plant. Phone lines are open. 202 5853880 for democrats. 202 5853881 for republicans. 202 5853882 for independents. Are outside if you the us. You can also email us, use facebook and twitter. A very good saturday morning to you. Here are the headlines today in wall street journal. Immigration plan test president s reach. Whether president use millions for deportation. Of course, the details of that plan is not yet officially released, but some reports on that plan coming out this past week. In terms of what we know about the plan, heres what we know the Research Center their report from yesterday. It is supposed to affect already ts who have been living in the country for long period of time, and families in which the members are your citizens and others are us citizens, and others are not. It could include 3. 5 million parents of usborn children who in the United States for five years or more. Or 2. 8 million parents of usborn children who have lived in the United States tenures. Children er 650,000 who currently lack protection from duplication. Been unchanged since 1986. That is from the Research Center this morning. This rms of the timing on and why now, heres a story from politico. Immigration, ma on why wait is the headline there. Story notes that no one has to worry that the runoff in louisiana will tip the balance of power. Pressure to move quickly only intensified this weekend. Details of the plan leaked giving republicans free reign. Some Administration Officials said they were not be surprised greenlighted an announcement soon, after deciding on a policy early next week. We want to get your thoughts on the president S Immigration plan. Should you move forward here without congress . As we said, the exact details yet to be released, but we want to get your thoughts in terms of the pushback. Paul is coming in from tennessee on our line for republicans. Paul, good morning. Good morning. That segment right there, that was Congress Passing a law. This president has absolutely taken our constitution and in the garbage bin. And the socalled sit by and ple just watched and allowed his liberal a room with et murder away with murder. Harry reid is an obstructionist. Over 300 bills laying on his desk. Republicans have called him an obstructionist. This president has no authority whatsoever to do anything with is wanting , like he to do. He should be impeached. In jail for treason. For the things that he has already done, much less what he wants to do now. And it is congress that passes these bills, not the president. Who in the world ever gave him the authority to do so . Brett is on our line from washington dc for independents. Go ahead. I think the ideological differences are the most interesting. Whether the fact that this and the is a republic, free market is more about a three dollar free dollar people who are citizens having a right to compute, as a citizen, for a job, instead of people on ns of overstayed visas who know that if they dont meet the productivity requirements of a who hire ese employers them they know if they dont meet the productivity requirements, they are more into contact e with immigration and have to go back to the country of origin. I do not think it is the president s fault that he is something that labor, as want cheap opposed to vote, bbecause the republicans blame democrats for wanting immigrants legalized so that they can get their vote. But i really think it is more the fact market, and that lawyers and politicians would rather have the issue go this because obamas they will hire anyone if they think they can get their labor for cheap. Point getting to the where, i think, judges and classaction suits might be the solution. People seem to think that republicans or democrats are going to win the issue, but i think it is about lowpaid workers start looking for lawyers. Okay, that is our independent line. Lets go to our line for democrats. Javier is waiting in new york. Javier, good morning to you. For ood morning, thank you taking my call. I want to say that i am undocumented. Go ahead, javier. I am undocumented, so i want to give my view of things. I will think that the congress and the senate will get together and do this the right i dont think so, so im really hopeful that obama will do his executive order. To do it another way there is not another way to it because republicans what they want to do to castro, they want to do to us. So i just want to say that can i ask you, the administration has been for deporting record numbers of unauthorized to that ts according research study, 438,000 unauthorized immigrants were in fiscal year fiscal re than 400 year 2013, and more than 400,000 were sent home in 2009. Among latino deportation, it is seen as more important than the to citizenship for latinos. How do you feel about that . I am very disappointed. Are undocumented right now, we dont want or need anything else. Just to come home and come back. We dont want anything else. They dont want to go citizenship or anything, okay, it is okay. But give us something so that we can go out and see family. Do you ur, how javier, are you working right now . I write a letter to the president explaining to him, you know, there is a lot of work over here. A lot of companies. But everybody doesnt have papers. So they take to people with are 20 and there without papers. The right way, too a lot those people making of money and not wanting to pay taxes. Javier calling in from new york. A couple comments on her Facebook Page already. You can follow along on that conversation already. Elizabeth writes that congress is a joke. Yes, the president should do something. To do so by the president would circumvent the checks and balances. It would be unconstitutional. Just a few of the comments on our Facebook Page. Also, on our twitter page. A tweet from jim we need a court order to tell obama that doesnt have this authority, and if he doesnt, they will issue an arrest warrant for him. We are asking if the president should move forward on immigration, with or without congress. The plan, rainout, appears to move at the president will forward with executive action. From sun city, line for n our republicans. Smitty, good morning. Good morning. Just while im sitting here get on the air, i heard want to do that i he wants to do something right way. Well, the right way to do it is not to sneak across the border. There are right ways to do it here. The president s what you on the show o and im not telling you how to run the darn thing } ill take any suggestions. The videos are available of of the United States saying that he doesnt have the Legal Authority to do what he is getting ready to do. Why dont you play those . Stuff on tching the the guy who was ggetting 400,000 for writing obama care. You dont see that animal shows. You could youre not getting into politics or political viewpoints by just showing those videos of this guy about stupid american voters. Write paid 400,000 to the darn thing we play that video. We actually had a segment on the Health Care Law. We played that just the other perhaps it was yesterday. You can find it on the washington journal website keep all our shows. I guess i missed that part. I watch him most every morning, but i dont catch everything. About tthis guy talks voters being ignorant, and it is because they dont watch these things. A lot of the people that dont like that the president is doing what hes doing understand what he is doing. It is not so much a legal, it is unconstitutional. Let me ask do you think on his present hold off executive action, do think it would give congress more time an move forward on fixing immigration system that both hill on captil hill is a broken system. It is a broken system, but letting illegals and is not a way to fix it. The south american immigrants, the Central American they are not bringing things with them. We are setting ourselves up for some really horrific things to be happening in this country by letting people like this into the country. Of heres the front page todays Washington Post, the budget may be the gops weapon. Congressional republican said on friday that they might create a series of showdowns the funding of government to force president obama to back down. As to whether the conflict would have any effect on the thinking, the white house referred to the comments of the president made on friday. Obama said that he stands by statement that if congress failed to act, i would use all Lawful Authority that i possess to try and make the system work better. Republicans who spoke yesterday talking about the president s plan to act unilaterally. What republicans have been planning to say iis that we see the president not do whatever he is planning on doing and work with us. We want him to challenge us. Work together with him, but the American People confidence in e the actions that the house and the senate takes. And the president. Is not go sent action unilaterally, he is risking it will cause chaos, to cause rush to the border that we have already been through. It creates uncertainty. We, the ll you that republican congress, are going with a great bill in the new term, aand were going to work carefully with groups and the American People to we need to have an immigration bill that would be against worker plan, that would involve the American People understanding and having confidence. And heres one other comment on capitol blican hill yesterday, reported in the hill newspaper. Reporting that the president s action would be angry and defined the voters. It would be unconstitutional and be defiant of if obama goes through the plan, congress do everything humanly possible to stop them. Your thoughts ar thoughts ing should this morning should the president move forward without congress . Ggood morning, kathy from louisiana. Kathy, are you there . Yes, sir. Go ahead. Good morning, sir. Okay. Do you want to chat, or are we waiting for kathy to come back . Well go to joe waiting on aligning connecticut. Joe, good morning. Good morning. Go ahead, joe. It is not about politics, it is not about immigrants. We dont need this. Im an unemployed man and have been looking for work for eight months. I cannot find work. All of our jobs are taken. It is not fair, he needs to leave the people where they are and focus on the American People. So, joe, what would be the plan . To work its way through and conversation ss with the congress on their bill . I think congress should be the one to do it. We need to stop immigration. 90 of the money they make, it is sent back to them. We have people here who are poor, have no money, have no food. This is what obama needs to do, stop immigration. So, joe, you would allow no immigration . The people who want to come here and work, pay the taxes, do what they are supposed to do, that is fine. Now any average person goes out nine ook for a job at dollars an hour. On 15 an hour. Times, we have to worry about america now. They are killing the american workforce. The rich people want them here because they dont have to pay insurance for them, they dont pay taxes on them. Lets just up the immigration. Okay, on our twitter feed we played a clip and read you a quote. Here is House Minority leader pelosi speaking on thursday, here on immigration. On the subject of immigration, today, later today, well have the press conference with some members who are urging the president to use his executive authority to improve the situation. I we had this conversation again call d i will ed that we ion to an wrote, saying that not only president have the all the to act, but nixon, before carter, reagan, reagan, reagan on a number of occasions, president clinton, george w. Bush all of them have taken executive actions. I refer to, again, as president s before him, obama has authority to act. I joined them on this. Over 100 senators today, bbut they are calling upon members to join them in president to take action. And a few tweets from members of congress. This congressman gutierrez, at that meeting that nancy pelosi in that press out conference a picture from a meeting later that day. House dems call on the president to act boldly on immigration. 115 a letter asking for executive action soon. Senator orrin hatch there is a viable pass to meaningful reform, but it senator orrin hatch there is a viable pass to meaningful reform, but it does not begin with executive amnesty is history from earlier this week. Congress has the power of the purse. Should use it to stop president obamas amnesty plans. And finally, pete olson, a republican in texas i will not allow this president to disregard the will of our people and the laws of our nation is what he writes on his twitter page. Just a few notes from members of congress who have been very outspoken, and we expect will be in the coming weeks if and when the president moves forward. Getting your thoughts, should the president move forward . Jim in georgia, you are next on our line for republicans. Good morning, i love cspan. I appreciate it. What kills me about this whole situation we are the only country in the world that looks like we are not expected to enforce laws that are arty already on the books then we have a marine who makes a wrong turning its brutalized in a mexican jail. We have the president who just cant understand ramifications of an election his pile cleaned a term in the south. I mean, he is so arrogant. Who made pharaoh barack the first pharaoh . He aint no king. The congress should rule by congressional Constitutional Authority with the assistance of the chief executive officer. I think that is set up. To ean, he would not be able get on there without a congressional doctrine. If he does what he thinks is going to do. Okay, that is jim in franklin, tennessee. For lines new york for democrats. Good morning, i am a uaw from upstate new york. John, you are a wonderful to the washington journal. We should recall history with president kennedy in 1962 a president ial order that gave workers the right to bargain collectively and form unions. So the president does have authority. I appreciate it and thank you for your time. Ralph in new york unaligned for democrats. Her twitter page obama is angry and childish and wont work with Congress Unless they do it all his way. He wishes to provoke them to overreach. Carol, you may be interested in newmans column today the lowliest president since nixon is what she writes. You dont bbegin a new relationship with the threat, but that is what he gave congress. Get me an immigration bill i like, or all change uS Immigration law on my own. Mr. Obama is doing what he knows how to do, stared down and face them off. He is to be a conquering hero, now he is not. On the other hand, now he used about public support. She writes that the last time the president so alone was Richard Nixon when the democrats had turned on him, him, and the ed republicans were fleeing. Lets go to milan waiting in chicago, illinois unaligned for republicans. Good morning. I told the screener, i have a simple solution for the immigration problem for the illegal immigration problem. You wont get them all, but youre going to get a lot of them. Know who started it, i heard it and it made all the sense in the world. That is, self deportation. Anyone e it illegal for to hire them. Illegal for them to get drivers licenses. Illegal, even, maybe, for even rent to them. They will go back where they can get something, rather than stay here. After that, he will not have that problem deport them at every chance you get. Your answer is deportation, and by cracking down, you think over what 11 million the estimated number of Illegal Immigrants in this country wwill just leave . A lot of them will. I wont say most, a lot of them well. That will leave us with a lot less to have to deport. Because it would cost so employ so many people to do the deportations. Least half of them by self deportation. By the nt work way, they are taking jobs from americans. I know they are. Theyve taken work for me. And in terms of some of the numbers and what the president looking at, 650,000 children and people who have lived in the country for 10 years or more. Sure. They got here legally, that is the whole point. You want to put them at the end of the line . Go ahead. The end of the line is in the country of origin, not here. They get to have what the people are waiting in line for in their countries. It all the enjoy time all the time they are waiting for whatever chances theyre going to get. No. Okay, the Research Center research divide on immigration. Of should the most immigrants be deported to the country with they came from . 74 of republicans agree with just 23 of osed to democrats. Should they be offered a chance apply for legal status . Just 34 of republicans. Talking about the partisan divide on this issue of immigration, we want to get your thoughts. We have about 15 minutes left in the segment of the washington journal. John is waiting on our line for republicans in rochester, new york. John, good morning to you as well. Hello . Go ahead, john. I think i just told the call screener that i think the most dent should definitely move forward. But probably, it will be a week this thursday and do it on thanksgiving because that is, you know, the american experience. Take down that plaque or that, about giving us your tired john, let me ask you. Go ahead, john, i didnt mean to cut you off. Just my two cents. John boehner had said that president obama would poison the well if he moved forward with his actions. Do think the president should heed mr. Boehners call . He says that congress could move forward with the bill if the president would just wait. Well, in my opinion you the president just exercises his function of the branch of government, wwhich is he is the president and what is next . Is a matter of how we are going to get this thing to work, and, you know just like you guys are saying in town there, it is not pretty they make the song, but, you know, you have to do what you have to do. Its the american way. The front page story in New York Times today reshaping immigration. When president obama announces early changes, perhaps as as next week, his decision will of a y be the result yearlong campaign of pressure from immigrants rights groups, which have grown. Noting that a vital part of involved nsion has money, major donations from some of the nations wealthiest liberal foundations. Including the ford foundation, the open society foundation, aand the atlantic philanthropies. Over the past decade, those more than e invested 300 million an immigrant organizations, including many fighting for a pathway to citizenship for immigrants here illegally. If you want to read more on the is the tory there, that front page of todays New York Times. Stephanie waiting in wisconsin the line for independents. Hello . Hi, stephanie. Hi. A nation of immigrants, and we need to continue that. Place for human rights refuge as well as immigrants refuge. And i think that we have been and waiting, and wish we could say there are good changes to come, but i do not see it happening unless something major happens. When people what people are more concerned about they have to consider that we need of people paying taxes for our future because we much we pay what we are going to pay, as far as social services and minimal compared to the amount of money that is going to come in when they come the shadows, paying taxes, having children because we are no longer producing the population that were and we have the baby boomers to pay for. Okay, that is stephanie on ling in from wisconsin our line for independents. Is a story about two women who fasted in support of status of illegal legal status. Of other picture in front the metro section on lafayette square, just across from the white house. The Hunger Strike lasted over 10 days. Future story for them in todays Washington Post. The were also mentioned in tweet by congressman a tweet about congressman gutierrez. Heres a picture of him hugging the dreamer moms. There is a treat of a congressman from illinois there with the women who are mentioned in the Washington Post story. In s go to jean waiting park ridge, illinois. Thank you for taking my call. Being retired Law Enforcement, sides eve that both should sit down, lock the doors, and dont come out until the come up with a solution. Number one, what about the potential for diseases . These third world countries do not have the same Health Standards as we do. Look at the most recent breakout work is recycled with some undisclosed, unknown disease im talking about rush at the border. Our border has collapsed, and this ebola ed that thing we need to protect the people who are here now. Yes, they should stand in line give them the opportunity, bbut give them the same opportunities that others were given. On the diseases, is that to ething that has worried in the past . Or was it ebola that spark that concern for you . It always worried me because when i made traffic stops and i do not care which country you are from, you posted your bond and you left and walked out the door. Most of them went back to mexico. I did my job, but the government needs to do their job. Lets Work Together, sit down at the same table, lock the pull up our sleeves, and put together a solution. Thank you. In from north g carolina is next on our line for independents. Good morning. Good morning. See why the president would think that he would have do something this quickly when there is a new congress and a new senate coming in. And i see the potential for them working together. There should that be some legalization. Not believe this border broad amnesty just the financial part of it. Are talking about on our hey drain Financial System to drain on our Financial System would be enormous. The callers the callers from wisconsin was talking about them having children and paying money and being in the system, but this amnesty that would take place, at this point, there are so many minor children involved in this that it automatically puts an entire family on our system. And you cannot keep drawing out, drying out, and drying out and not putting in. To put children that have come in through no fault of their own, i agree, their parents brought them over illegally, but to guarantee them a College Education while pushing aside our own children is just morally wrong. Judy, some stats on the dreamer act, as you refer to it. Today, obamas most significant policy change has been the 2012 deferred action for childhood arrivals. It provided temporary 120,000 unauthorized children and 470,000 unauthorized adults have received temporary deportation relief under the program. Then another 400,000 cast horized Immigrants Deportation protection because they are temporarily protected. Again, that Research Center report if you want to read more on that. A few other stories i want to make you aware of fear at the beginning of today show. Here is the front page of the financial times. The United States to commit 3 billion to Climate Change fund. Pledging d states is 300 billion 3 billion to enact Climate Change. To move that and asked isolate australia us officials said that the the ident would announce contribution to set up a fund to help poor countries do with and lower ange Greenhouse Gas emissions. That coming after the deal with china to lower Carbon Emissions. About that lking next with former attorney from the Justice Department who on epa issues just about seven or 10 minutes or so. Here is the fairbanks daily news minor. That, the page of independent candidate bill walker has defeated governor sean parnell. Walkers lead over parnell that ased in the counts were going on, leading the Associated Press to call that race. Again, that is the front page of the daily newsminer out of fairbanks, alaska. In the new signups under the Health Care Law signups for 2015 health care plan. That starting today. Being urance guide offered today in the wall street journal. I want to get to as many calls as we can. Been waiting in pennsylvania. Carl, should the president move forward on immigration without congress . Well, no. Reagan tried this in 1986 and it didnt work then, its not going to work now. I feel that every illegal here required to sign something. And if they havent signed and or anything, ped there should be a law that they cant be citizens. What about Social Security . They get Social Security after five years or something and none of them have paid in anything. This is going to totally break the United States. We are broken out, and now what is going to happen . Okay, howard in vienna, maryland. Howard, good morning. Good morning. You put the when same things then if people could just remember that it was two of the leaders making sure our president is a onetime president. So why so why should people work with him . We have a president that everyone should try their best to respect. He is the president of the United States. The republicans and the democrats i try my best to vote for the one that, iin my opinion, would do the best job. It seems like no one wanted to do the right job. They had the immigrant problem, but if there are president hired each person whether republican or democrat and see what they would tell you. Howard, let me ask you. Is said that they shouldntWork Together, but the president moving forward didnt help in the process of trying to Work Together . Should he when we put the same people back in the office. So do not believe that members of the house want to move forward with immigration, but they just want more time . More time for what . What, the last four years . The last six years . Us to stop for calling and go from there. But take the deal i cant work without a legal paper. So the employee should hire a man with only legal papers. On our twitter page, why wont obama work with congress . Congress represents the people. Beatrice waiting and blue our tain, mississippi on line for democrats. Good morning. Hi, beatrice. Good morning. I just want to pose a question. Can you hear me . Yes, maam. Okay, i just wanted to know one is more broken congress or the Immigration Reform . Because they never wanted to work with obama before, but now all of a sudden that they have control, they want to work with him. Theey want to stop these issues. Resolve issues of immigration when congress itself is so broken. I want the American People too, you know, address that question. Which one is more broken . Beatrice, we dont have a left in the time segment, but if congress is so broken, what would you do to fix it . I think i would ask Congress Remove some of the arguments they have going on, and try to sit down in compromise with the president. He has asked them to work with him on the issue but to me, it seems like it is either way or no way. It seems like to me, they are forcing him to make the decision. So, you know, i am confused with this Congress Really wants. Beatrice in mississippi. In grand rapids, michigan. Tom, good morning. Hi. I wasnt going to call in, but it really frustrates me when people call in and say that the president has Constitutional Authority. Well, i guess they have never of the constitution. Hi hi we got your first comment, dont listen to the tv, just keep talking to the phone. People, you have to read the constitution. Otherwise, it develops that authority. Authority ent has the to execute execute law to make sure that the law is enforced. Not have the authority to create law. If he goes and acts on his own, it is just going to develop bad just going to is continue to divide the country. From san antonio, texas, good morning, clyde. I think maybe we need to change the language of this discussion. Of is it that immigrants portugal, spain, britain live in riches to exploit from people who are here already . And the people we are talking that we call immigrants residuals of tthe those invasions. Them that ing to tell they connector to the land that they initially owned . I wonder if europeans have even cracked a book about how they got here. I am of african descent, i know immigrant in this country. At the present action it is just absurd putting us all in the same pot. You cant tell the people that dont have the freedom to that the borders europeans built to create individual countries. To make this place called america, they owned the country. Read a history book and find how europeans got here, and how they got into australia and of these nd all other places where they created chaos. Thank you. Will end with clyde from texas. Coming up next, well talk the us and chinese ccarbon reduction deal. And later, we discussed the civil Asset Forfeiture law, and whether they are being abused by Law Enforcement officials. We will be right back. This weekend on cspan. At 8 00 pm eastern, members of the legendary Tuskegee Airmen chair stories of their service. Thing about my like to i would think is that the gentleman who went over before we came back and taught me. Basic flying in captain ant leonard jackson, out of fort worth, texas. Me how back and taught to fly, and how to do combat flying, crosscountry. They men came back and taught me well. They taught us well. 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Mr. Lorenzen, please first explain what the us and china agree to this past week. This past ey agree to week on the United States part, it is really to continue epa has rts that the which is to unced, reduce emissions by about 35 by 2030. What china is agreeing to come the big news here is, is to finally start capping chinese omissions of Carbon Dioxide. Theyre not going to take immediate steps to do that, but by 2030, theyre committing to those are going levels there. And this deal, actually, is big news because how the united in tes and china stack up terms of total Carbon Emissions. The wall hart from street journal showing the United States Government Missions and chinese Carbon Emissions. You can see where they stack up against the European Union and all others. This deal be enforced . A lot of concern about the mechanismsfor enforcement here. There is the question how will it be enforced . The us is artie taking steps to reduce its Carbon Emissions. China has not really begun yet. This is going to require further action. This deal will eventually go to trade organization for approval, bbut there are no binding commitments here yet and it is not clear whether any sort of treaty would be approved by the United States senate. So enforcement is a big concern here. States take its voluntarily steps voluntarily . Talk about that reaction in congress. If a treaty were to come to you think the president could get a treaty signed in the next two years . Certainly not under the present congress. To the 1997 kyoto first ol, which was the global treaty that attempted to carbon emission limits notably, china was not among those developing nations but determined at ton the time, though he had helped seal the deal, that he would not even submit that treaty to the u. S. Senate because he did not think he had the votes than. Even tougher situation now. So president obama is going to look to proceed through executive action. Once again, talking about executive action here. This past week after the deal announced, jim is projected to be the next year. He took to the senate floor to deal and to his question the sincerity in keeping to its commitments. China ever agree, unilaterally, to reduce its emissions when that is the only way they can produce electricity . Right now, and i have talked to them i have talked to people of smile at ho kind say, wait a minute, you are going to believe is that we are going to do submissions . We apply the United States. We want the united to reduce mission because, if they do that, the Manufacturing Base hhas to leave the United States and they come to china. So does to their advantage to continue with an increase in omissions. Is the United States giving up too much here . It is not clear. Some very lf make good points that there are no binding commitments and china. They certainly have massive and growing energy needs, but china its own unique motivators which is the air pollution situation. We saw chinese cities basically smart ng down because the was so bad smog was so bad. Coal power from the plants massive growth in those. They know that they have to take steps to curtail their growth. These are power plants that the eventually had to shut down. Want to keep their commitments, but moreover, if they want to have a healthy population. No one is going to invest in china or located in china if it is simply unsafe to breathe the air there. So china has their own reasons to want to reduce Carbon Emissions. They can move away from and into sed power renewable energy. That also, from the chinese is a Competitive Edge because of they can get germans us or the or anyone else and develop a technology, new energy sources, they can then market those to the world, and become even greater economic powerhouse. Talking with Thomas Lorenzen, he helped oversee the it came to epa regulations. He is here to take your questions and comments as we uschinese this carbon agreement. 202 5853880 for democrats. 202 5853881 for republicans. 202 5853882 for independents. Us, it are outside the is 2025853883. You mentioned coal power plants earlier, lets talk about the United States. Of the us commitment that dependent to hear is on here is dependent on bringing down the omissions from coal power plants in the United States. Have hing that republicans vowed to challenge, now that they control both the house and the senate. Number of re a different ways republicans to curtail epas efforts to regulate coal fired omissions. First, there are talks about in substantive g writers into the bills. You have to overcome, first of all, a filibuster even with makeup of the senate, it is unlikely the republicans could muster the votes to actually pass substantive legislation. The house is another matter. The second thing that the house could attempt to do is employ the Congressional Review Act. That is not something we hear gives very often, but he congress the authority to review regulations that are any major federal days of the in 60 issue, aand to vote on a resolution a joint resolution of disapproval. That will send a strong, symbolic message if they managed to cast the vote. The problem is that it has no binding effect unless it is signed by the president. These carbon reduction initiatives are really president obamas major issue for his remaining two years in office. This is what is being called the Climate Action plan. The Climate Action plan, and from the epas perspective, the preaction plan. Those are a massive source the largest source of Greenhouse Gas emissions in this country. And the epa is attempting to address those and obtained a 30 reduction in emissions by 2030. The only way you can do that is of curtailing operation coalfired power switching gas, switching to nuclear and actually reducing consumers demand for electricity. That is what the epas attempting to do in this rule. The new leadership in congress is that is a great threat to and to the onomy coal rs in many of the dependent states the states that really dont have access to natural gas. So there is that Congressional Review Act available, but again, it is likely to be vetoed. Sso the third tool that has in his pocket is reappropriations money. To put a could attempt must pass o a spending bill that prohibits the epa from spending money to finalizes rules and enforce them. That brings us to the next potential Government Shutdown battle. We will have a series of these sorts of shutdown battles if congress does put one of these writers into one of the must pass spending pass spending bills like defense or highways then we will have a a situation where the president must decid, do i shutdown the Defense Department . Do i shutdown all Highway Development . For the sake of my climate plants. We are talking about the president s Climate Action plan as well, as that deal that was announced between the us and china this week on Carbon Emissions. The Washington Post calling it a landmark climate deal. More important than the details, is the fact that the us and china are finally leaving on Global Warming. Other nations will have confidence that they, too, will not be sacrificing in vain if and when they cut their emissions. Also, big developing countries such as india have done little and find it harder to not act. Lets get to your calls. Lewis is up first waiting in placer, maryland. Lewis, good morning. Youre on with Thomas Lorenzen. Good morning, thank you for taking my call. I developed asthma and wheezing. When i left the service, lake have given me something, but as he drove across the country and got into the east coast, my asthma disappeared. And i didnt need the asthmatic medication. So i am familiar with smog you see in beijing. They must reason to pair it ue up is due to pregnant womens. It hurts the pregnant women more than the actual children who are born. Lewis talking about his experiences with smog. Can you talk about defending some of the epa rules that have Carbon Emissions with smog and other pollutants . First, lets take lewiss comments about smog. We have actually seen, yes, tremendous improvements in levels in this country because of the Clean Air Act and the rules the epa is issued. Ambient air al quality standards are based on health concerns. They have to be set at levels that are requisite to protect the public health, with an adequate margin of safety. The epas actually in process right now in evaluating the current standards for smog standards for ozone and it is probably going to ratchet that down further this coming december in a proposed rule. Many tightening up the amounts that can be embedded . Tightening up the amount can be emitted, absolutely. It is going to require even further cleanups of our power controls on our cars, and other efforts to increase public transportation. Hear from capitol hill a lot of complaints about what the epa is trying to do their. Question from twitter what did china get out of this deal . The us have to give up to get china to sign off . I dont know that the United States had to give up anything. The president s action plan was a voluntary, unilateral matter. President tters that obama agreed to is basically that he already announced that 25 to 30 emission cuts. Out of this is predicate for what they are to realize they have to do tto address their own health problems. They have massive smog problems in china. They are overly dependent on fossil fuels. So what china gets his recognition. What the us gets on this is recognition from other countries. One of the complaints has always been that no one will agree with anything even if the us does something because china is not doing anything. Because brazil is not doing anything. Because india is not doing anything. So this puts pressure on the to actually ies begin taking steps. From that you can see chart in the wall street global 40 of emissions come from each country there. Lets go to rich in eastern pennsylvania. Good morning. You guys are doing a good job. When jimmy carter was in in a tax break solar en rebates for energy for every home in the United States. So far, that has been eliminated by the republicans as soon as reagan got in and took that tax break away. If every home in the United States had a solar collector just for hot water to run through your hot water and help out we would reduced our fuel consumption drastically. But since then, all the tech specs are gone. So nobody is going to do it. I would like you to address that. Thank you, rich. A really good question and it is a developing area of industry. In the past, solar energy has been an individual thing. An individual homeowner can put a solar panel on the roof. What we are looking at now is the development of a new industry. The Power Companies themselves and independent Power Producers like solar city provision g into the of solar panels to homeowners. That o not have to have tax break anymore because you dont have to pay for the solar panel that michael onto a roof. We are seeing this in germany where they are actually creating virtual power plants. Power companies are coming in and offering to put a solar panel on every roof. Keep control of it, tthey take the energy off of that and provided to the grid. You, as a homeowner, get a discount on the energy. So it is not clear that the tax breaks are really needed anymore. That to a ing beyond when the Solar Industry becomes part of the power industry. The nd we have parties in white house highlight the uses of home solar in the past two years. The urning solar panels to white house itself. Sincerely, the white house is big push for this. Solar panels are becoming cheaper, they are becoming more efficient, but they are becoming lighter. These are things that can be employed on a massive scale. It is coming to this country soon. As soon as the Power Companies money gure how to make off of it. Next to georgia on our line for independents. Before i get certified, they of my s this is out a clear, l it is odorless gas 100 times heavier than air. Going into the converter it and s out the tailpipe converts to water, which is a harmless gas, and nitrogen. Have cleaned it up. Have cleaned more particulates out of our atmosphere than all of the scientist together. I have done this for 30 years. Rick, what you do for your career . I am a cleanair inspector for georgia. Im certified by the cleanair force. As they call us, the elite of the elite. We are the pathfinders for this. We are talking about efforts create cleaner power plants, or other facilities, as well. The things one of that rick rick is saying is air pollutants. Rick says, it is harmless why arent we treating Carbon Dioxide like were treating sulfur dioxide and all the things that actually hymie when you breathe them in . Carbon dioxide does not. This was a battle that was fought by epa back in a case called massachusetts versus epa. On u took the lead i did take the lead on in representing the epa. The bush and menstruation, at the position ok that the Bush Administration, at that time, took the position that it was not harmful. We won that case at the d. C. Circuit. That epa rt held rationally decided that it was not an air pollutant and that policy ere good regulations not regulated. Took the case the Supreme Court resolved that the definition of air pollutant was to include Carbon Dioxide, and that the Clean Air Act actually requires not only protection of public health, but also of welfare. Curiously enough, was defined even back in the early 1970s. That draws Carbon Dioxide into the statute. Even though it may not be something that is harmful to breathe, the fact that it can affect climate and weather has to hat the epa regulate it if they find that there is scientific evidence. Can you talk about the epa the department of justice during the Obama Administration . Absolutely. The Obama Administration took it to heart. I think even the Bush Administration to the dart. And to heart. And they began finding they decided to do in advance all notice rule so that they can think about it more and kick the question to the next to ministration. The next administration took that information and came to a logical conclusion. That Carbon Dioxide emissions are, in fact, engaging public welfare. They determined that they had to start regulating it. The way you address carbon a car or missions from truck is to simply approve its fuel economy. We had not updated our fuel economy standards in this country in decades. Easy was a relatively matter to say to the Auto Industry that we would like to increase our fuel economy. The Auto Industry was quite to work with us. The rule which us the rule to increase fuel efficiency. That rule had implications, air use under the clean act, at least the epas terry once you begin theory was that once you begin we began to ards, start cars, we began to start regulating power plants and refineries. In the where we are present with new and existing power plants. To start s now going regulating those. A case called American Electric power versus connecticut noted epa has the authority to issue what we call standard new and rmance for existing sources, including power plants. Greg rating in wisconsin waiting in wisconsin. Thank you, and thank you for cspan. I think that this is a bit of Wishful Thinking that it is to hurt our economy. My question is this with all the push for renewables, why do we not see more technological and pushes for existing technologies, as opposed to inventing something new . The existing technologies were quite well, lets make them better. This is part of epas clean power plan. We can get into debate of whether or not it is lawful, but one of the things it is trying to do is get people to energy solar, geothermal, wind energy growing part of the portfolio. Your is to s hope is to expand e those and displays the coalfired generation. Talking with Thomas Lorenzen, and environmental law here in washington dc and the former Justice Department assistant chief. Here to take your comments and your questions. 202 5853880 for democrats. 202 5853881 for republicans. 202 5853882 for independents. From outside the us. Robert waiting in massachusetts on our line for independents. My problem is wwith this the ate change deal between us and china is it really as big as a problem as we have in the white house . The obama care and revelations about that a professor from mit points to man the white house it looks like we have a bunch of boobs running the white house. I think worse than that, we have a bunch of liars, cheats, and thieves. How can you trust the government to make a deal that right for the people . Robert with his concerns about trust on this issue. Lets go to david waiting in maine. David, good morning. Yes, hello. I am just hoping that the American People who are watching this man jonathan gruber. Is the same person Building Models just a guess of what is going to happen in 100 years. On the immigration issue we are not talking about the immigration issue right now on the washington journal. Were talking about climate issues and that deal that was announced between the United States and china. Also, the president s Climate Action plan. Your questions and comments while we have an expert to work with a lot of these issues. Kerry from sebring, florida on the republican line. Kerry, are you there . Hello, yes im here. A great show. It is ment is that amazing that this president went over to china to make this deal just to agree with himself. Because he really didnt make a deal with anything. Is it that is why china is going to be able to Mission Start a control until 2030 emission control until 2030. And in the present time, they build 8 to 10 power plants a month . The f i might, i think what president is hoping is that china will take action earlier. For china to actually begin capping emissions in 2030, they have to start taking action now. Yes, i think you are right, are building inese coalfired plants at an unprecedented rate. That cannot continue if china hopes to continue to meet this deal. That cannot continue if china hopes to keep their citizens safe and healthy. Said in the deal tthat would they can continue for the next 16 years to do that. There is no in this deal to china does right now. But there is a that you cannot flip the switch and 2030 turn off the power plants. In this agreement with it has to obama, developing and deploying the new technologies. That the epa assumesthe us generation industry will start deploying technologies in 2020 with the 2030 targets that that rule requires. A of you from twitter view from twitter, the us has given a cost advantage to polluters on the production of goods, undermining Economic Growth in the us. Lets go to missouri. Al, good morning. Would like to ask, did they go back and look at the statistics before . Good morning. Are you talking about . In 1964 when they started to lay a water pipeline. For the water r department, and i know that the law they are looking at, they are trying to overturn the water act. Al talking about the clean water act there, perhaps . I think that is a different issue. Of course, the clean water act is a big concern. But on climate let me talk a moment about the challenges the us faces in meeting iits obligations over this agreement. As we talked about earlier, we are not going to get Senate Approval of a treaty. Certainly not in the near term. This is going to be a longterm battle for the next administration this is one that this plaints just pushes this to the next administration. Proceed through epa rules, those rules are subject to challenge. One of the most significant the ats right now to what president has proposed is the various challenges that will be mounted to this power plan. It is not sure that this rule will survive judicial review. Survive judicial review or for states to get or for states to get the 30 reduction by 2030 then there is nothing to hold china or any other country accountable to the commitments that they are going to make. So there is a moral pperil here that we have not figured out how is going to be resolved. At the same time, there are some of the environmental side that saved the still has not gone far enough. From friends of the earth, he said that the announce us emissions reduction target is grounded in either the physical reality of Climate Science nor the lived reality of hundreds of millions of people in developing country whose lives and livelihoods are in jeopardy due to drought, flooding, fire, and other extreme weather events. He says the nonbinding target falls miserably short. We are taking your thoughts and comments for about the next 10 or 15 minutes or so, as we talk with Thomas Lorenzen about this deal announced with china this week. On a line from alabama, good morning, gilbert. Good morning. Thank you for cspan and thank you for having Thomas Lorenzen. As i am with the Auto Industry here in alabama, we do not have a emission control use the automobile thing was a low hanging truth. What about the over half 1 billion cars and trucks on the road . Are you trying to tell me that this is not a significant factor in trying to control the pollution . It is, absolutely, a significant factor. After power plants, automobiles are the second largest source of emissions. The fleet is aging on the road. The goal of the lightduty vehicle and the heavyduty vehicle Greenhouse Gas rules it to begin to replace the fleet of older vehicles with more fuelefficient cars. This Carbon Dioxide is not like other emissions from your car. Not contributing to ozone or so forth, and they cannot be controlled through an end of the tailpipe device like a catalytic converter. The only way you can reduce increase its to fuel economy build hybrid build all electric cars, build cars that are lighter and use innovative materials. That is what this rule strives to do. But you do eventually have to replace the older fleet with these newer, more fuelefficient vehicles. On our ry is in texas line for republicans. Why does the n is, epa consistently come into communities in the United States and destroy jobs . And why . And make this country so much weaker against china that we will not have a chance of surviving . Understand why our sacrifices americans for chinese. It is totally going to stop. I am tired of it and my fellow american citizens are tired of it. The epa is going to be handed some new rules, whether they like it or not. Question for nt in Thomas Lorenzen, who spent over a decade defending epa rules and regulations. Well, this is a difficult one, sherry. These are not things that the epa thinks of themselves. They are actually required by congress has passed like the Clean Air Act, the clean water act, the Safe Drinking Water act and other that date back are the source of the agency to ask do these things. Most of these obligations required to look at health, primarily. In certain instances, they are allowed to look at costs. Where they are allowed to look at cost, they do consider do ngs like what this will to the economy. In a lot of instances, they are not permitted to. One of the questions, are these laws outdated . Can we use these laws to without the economy damaging the economy protect the environment without damaging the economy . In these debates over costs you are fits that talking about, some concerns by the Environmental Community say costs are easier to measure. A little bit harder to put a dollar sign on. One of the efforts the administration has been undertaking is to develop ways to estimate the values of those benefits. They have recently developed what they call the federal social cost of carbon, which tries to put a dollar value on pound of Carbon Dioxide that is emitted. That is a very, very difficult exercise. One of the debates were having right now is if you are developing such a process, working use it for . Used for be individual permitting situations . Cows emit methane, do have to much methane it emits . A new power ld plant, do have to consider the of the Carbon Dioxide not just to the us economy, but to the World Economy and health. Nick is waiting on our line for republicans. Yes, sometimes you cry knowledge. I am just one of those poor, stick to my bs that guns. Little eading my grandsons dinosaur book, and 65 million years ago the earth was impacted by an asteroid. That, the asteroid was equivalent to 100,000,000,000 to 200,000,000,000 hiroshima bombs. So i got to thinking, if the thing destroy the earth, my cattle inder car and that i have is going to destroy the earth. The environmental extremists are gathering a group saying that we need to get rid of hydrogen dioxide. It turns out, it is worse. Is the have al gore, he high con of the group. He lives like a king of the money he got off the scam, and he tells me that i have to and fy my toilet paper stuff like that. Student in ot a Climate Change, but Climate Change is a big joke and a farce. You people are making good money off of this. So, if you want to talk debate of Climate Change and whether debate is going to get more intense now in control icans are of congress. Chairman of the the incoming chair of the department. Jim is a skeptic of Climate Change. Believe it is happening and does not believe there is anything we can do about it. Perspective of the courts, they have kind of let go to the ion now agency to make its determinations. The court had its opportunity take up the question of whether Climate Change is happening. Just resolve hey this year, parties asked the Supreme Court to visit the issue, the court declined. So from the view of the Supreme Court, the issue is resolved and we move forward. Yes, the asteroid basically of life on lot earth, but Climate Change is going to change the way we live. It is not going to wipe out human life, it is not going to wipe out the earth, but it will make things more difficult for people in certain areas of the world. There will be droughts we havent seen before. Be more intense storms we havent seen before. Theere will be shifts in populations, shifts in agriculture that we have to deal with. You can do with Climate Change by either attempting to regulate it, or adapting to it. One of the things the administration is doing is attempting to address both those things. It is trying to regulate and, we need to g that our storm ortify sewer systems so that they dont overflowing get large floods. Usage in the west deal with water usage in the west. Good time to be a asking or sheldon the incoming republican majority to be wary of Climate Change skeptics. Heres what he had to say. Are not a scientist if you are not a scientist, just ask. Do your homework. Exercise this new great responsibility that will come with a great power you have won. Climate ot pretend that change isnt real. Your own young voters know better than that. A majority of Republican Voters under age 35 think a politician who denies Climate Change is of touch, or crazy. Those were the words checked off in the poll. To paraphrase michael from that me it movie, dont tell isnt real, because it insults my intelligence and it makes me very angry. To our republicans, i say i want to be your best friend in all of this. Friend who best no ls you when you are in shape to drive and should hand over the keys until you are sober enough to drive safely. Mad to f it makes you hear it. The kind of friend who will tell you the truths you need to hear, but dont want to hear. Me say, friends dont let friends deny Climate Change. On the floor of the senate this week. Talk g to the floor to about climate issues. We have just a few minutes left with Thomas Lorenzen, an environmental law attorney here in washington dc. At the worked department of justice for epa rules and regulations. We will go to james who has waiting in orlando, florida on our line for independents. Good morning. Thank you for cspan. Am a no party individual. Listen to me green energy, clean energy can make you money. They can contribute to our gdp. In the oil up economy, but things change. Now ne time we had horses, we have cars. Now we can proceed to cars that oil, and our not based on is oil. Green technology can make you money. The gentleman about the son into get your clean technology. Time omas lorenzen, in the we have left, your thoughts about the future of the Green Technology industry. I think james makes a very good point. There are absolute cost and in trying to d regulate Climate Change, but there are also opportunities here. Green technology is growing. It is booming. This is what china hopes to accomplish for itself in the steel. Be the global deal in Green Technology. It wants to develop the technologies to provide power with a low or zero Carbon Emissions, and license those to the rest of the world. This is the next great economic battle. Ahead of us get there, iit becomes a global leader. If we can out innovate china, we can be that global leader. So, james, but you are absolutely right. There are opportunities here. Thomas lorenzen, we appreciate your time this morning. Come back again and talk to us. Thank you so much, john. Up next, well talk to tim from the Cato Institute about the civil Asset Forfeiture laws. Our open phone the ent, will talk about keystone xl pipeline and the expected grand jury the police t and officer involved in the shooting death of Michael Brown in missouri. We will be right back. Cspan cities tour takes traveling to us cities to learn about their history and literary life. This week, we visited madison, wisconsin. Bob la follette is probably the most important political figure in wisconsin history, and one of the most important in the history of the 20th century in the United States. He was a reforming governor. Defined what progressivism is. He was one of the first to use progressivism to self identify. He was a United States senator recognized by his peers in the 1950s as one of the five senators in american history. Of world war onent i, stood his ground advocating for three speech. Was e all, bob la follette about the people. The pent the later part of 1890s giving speeches all over wisconsin. If you wanted a speaker for your club or your group, bob la follette would give your speech. He went to every kind of event that you can imagine, and built a reputation for himself. To run , he was ready for governor, advocating on behalf of the people. Are sitting in the first studio of frank lloyd wright. Wright was actually born in richland center, wwhich is too far from here. And his family first took him to massachusetts for a time. Then they return to madison. And he grew up in madison. Spent his teenage years there. Attended very briefly the university of wisconsin before he decided to take off and find his fortune in chicago. He decided he should come out part of the country is where herbs family was and spent his summers here. So he spent his teenage summers here in this valley, aand that he got two things s love of nature and his understanding of nature. And he also understood tim lynch serves as the director at the Cato Institute. He joins us to talk about the issue that is sometimes called as police brutality. Asset forfeiture law allows police to seize property from citizens land, even cash without even convicting placing of a crime or them under arrest convicting placing of a crime or under arrest convicting somebody of a crime or placing them under arrest. The normal, constitutional safeguards that we are accustomed to do not apply. Such as the presumption of innocence. Seize lice are able to property and then the burden of is kind of reversed, wwhere the Property Owner has to go into court to prove that he is innocent and is entitled to his property back. So there is a very unusual procedure that most americans are not aware of. Very controversial. So, talk about it from the police perspective. What is the original intention civil Asset Forfeiture law . So congress wrote his law to the police more power to go after criminal organizations. Corner of e a small law, until the 1980s when congress wanted to ramp up the police w and give agencies more power to seize assets of games were involved in the drug trade. But what has happened is that the number of seizures has exploded, and so has the miscarriages of justice. Heres how the department of describe the forfeiture in their National Plan from back in 2007, 2008. Said that the program is a enforcement aw effort that removes the tools of crime from criminal organizations, deprives proceeds of f the the crimes, recovers property that may be used to comes in victims, and deters crime. Asset forfeiture has been used to attack the financial infrastructure of criminal enterprises, return funds to of largescale fraud but you are concerned about this leading to police abuse. Absolutely. What people need to understand is that these laws are written in such a way that once the Police Agency sees these assets not go into does the general treasury when police seize these properties and cash, it is often plowed right back into the law ets of enforcement agencies that are doing this using. A tempting es them financial incentive to go out and sees as much property as they can. A distortion s to of policing, and leads to miscarriages of justice. We are talking with tim of the Cato Institute. If civil Asset Forfeiture is something you have run into, we like to hear from you. 202 5853880 for democrats. 202 5853881 for republicans. 202 5853882 for independents. We have been talking in generalities to begin, but give us a specific case to talk about how this works. The Supreme Court case. Right. A number of years ago, there is a case that when all the way to the Supreme Court. Lady named tina was is, and her husband caught by police in his car with a prostitute. Under the laws of michigan, the car was seized because it was being used in a criminal to facilitate this criminal act. Was the husbands wife, and she had a half property interest in the car. To court and said i understand you have to seize the car, but half of the value coming back to me because i was not involved in criminal activity. Yet the state of michigan said, no, that does not matter. Value seizing the entire of the car, even though you had nothing to do with it. So she took her case all the to the Supreme Court and, unfortunately, the justices laws that these forfeiture can be written where even tell can as totally innocent lose their property. So even in cases where the property leads to strange names. Yes, it strikes judges and lawyers and law students very bizarre. Instead of, you know, united you find rsus jones, cases where it is United States versus in 1995 mercedesbenz. Or United States versus parcel of property located on 5 wichita ln. Named in a ty is leads to the hat distortions because the legal actions are directed against the property the rights accorded to people do not come into play. Is t is how the government able to reversed the presumption of innocence. The burden has shifted over to the Property Owner, where they have to going to prove they did nothing wrong. That they are entitled to their property back. And it is because of the strange legal procedures. For civil Asset Forfeiture is, can you give us a sense of money has been seized over Property Value the past 5 to 10 years or so . It has really skyrocketed over the years. In the mid1980s, we were talking about the department handling about 90 million. It had grown to 1 billion. Of we are talking about tens thousands of cases, climbing to hundreds of millions and now billions of dollars around the country. A lot of these property being es and up not contested in court because, in which these way things operate, it is easy for the government to seize, but it is difficult ffor the property get r to go to court and these things back. They have to hire an attorney, take time off work, they have to overcome obstacles to prove to the that faction of the court they are innocent. So a lot of people end up throwing in the towel. Everybody knows how hard it is to fight city hall. When the government is using small amounts of money lets off of you ke 100 it is not even economical for you to take a day off of to that money back, even though you may be totally outraged by that seizure. Sometimes these Police Agencies know that they have these people over the barrel. When they see small amounts, it is totally uneconomical for to take it back. Tim lynch has studied these director for the project at the Cato Institute. For those unfamiliar with the Cato Institute, cato. Org. Cato institute is a libertarian think tank. We studied a wide range of issues from budgetary issues, environmental issues, foreignpolicy issues. My specialty is the criminal Justice System and our constitutional right. Donald is waiting in florida for our line for democrats. The y question is what are doing to ask both of them have rights on illegal searches and seizures. Law should be repealed or abolished because a lot of people are falling victim to this. Forefathers of this country did not intended to be this way. To search and seizure laws apply here . Yes, that is found in the Fourth Amendment of our bill of rights. It talks about unreasonable seizures. Read what is happening in many of these cases, they are totally unreasonable. For example, what happens in a lot of highway stops is probably start asking about how much currency you are carrying. It is not illegal for people to currency in this country, but if it strikes the officer as you are not carrying a normal amount of cash, then just use empowered to that money or intimidate people to give up that money. So you have the stories of people traveling with maybe 10,000 because theyre going buy a used car, or they are traveling out of state because theyre going to buy a restaurant business. When they are pulled over for then the officers will say, you know, i think this is drug money. Im taking it. If you want to get it back, heres the office to go to to trying to back. And is that the usual process that Police Officers use . Large concern about his amount of dollars being carried by people specifically about drug bias . Yes, that is the most common thing we find around the country. And we find that highway patrolman are trained to go to these procedures. They might pull you over for speeding or for any illegal or Something Like that, but just before they are ready to aand the stop by a ving you a warning or ticket for that, they will asking you questions about currency that you are carrying. How le do not realize vulnerable they are to these types of seizures. Lets go to john in miami, florida on our line for republicans. Good morning, cspan. I really love cspan. Really quick, i wish you guys would you know when you play the music when they are voting in the background . I wish you guys would put what that you are playing. Im sure im not the first person who ever thought of that. The other thing is, you know, you are on hold, you put on close le to caption. And this is even worse than what you think. In miami, my bank florida i used to be an employee there. I went to the atm. The back 10 minutes later, car was towed. I spoke to the towing company. I spoke to everybody. Long story short, i had a health issue. I cannot pay the towing charges. They took my truck and sold it. And all my possessions inside of it. They never gave me an opportunity to do anything. So, you think the cops are bad . Disagree with you, but dont so bad now that we have any rights. Go to my atm, i am there 10 minutes, and my car is stolen. Wrong with this picture . Agree with h, ddo john . The e is absolutely right, rights slipping away that we learned in school the innocence, the idea that the government has to and persuade the judge that you are involved in criminal activities before they can punish you. We are not used to punishment before trial in this country, is what is t happening in the civil forfeiture area. Where people can lose their homes, they can lose the land, and they can lose cash. And about the music, you can find the music notes there. Well keep taking your questions and comments as we are with tim lynch of the Cato Institute. Greg is in san diego, on the democrats line. I know somebody who had a bag of weed not even five joints with the pot and the cops took the car, didnt give it back. These people were not drug dealers. As a matter of fact, the guy was a medical marijuana grower. All one has to do is watch that tv show cops. These cops are so blatant. Do think this car is worth compensating . No, it is a clunker, we will let it go. Preplan the stuff what is available, what is not available. Then not only that, they mark are taking from. You are going to have to take the bus. Is it as bad as greg describes . You know, policing in the United States is decentralized. Have state and local operations run the country, but in many it is that ns, yes, bad and it leads to a whole lot of injustices in our system. Cities like some to confiscate a new civil forfeiture to seize cars from involved in dui arrests. As the color related caller related, someone could lose a brandnew, very expensive suv because of the offense, but you have somebody else with a dui was a 2000 clunker. It doesnt make any sense. The other problem and the distortion that we find is when there are criminal proceedings, we find that pleabargaining deals are given to the big guys in the drug trade, where they have lots of given light re present time, so long as they surrender a lot of these property and assets to the government. Arresting the are people who was just trying to cross the border, have any bargaining room. Big time people they are able to buy the freedom. Then you have the small fry who to prison for years because they do not have the assets to bargain. Jeff is up next from tennessee unaligned for republicans on our line for republicans. Yes, im one of the fool about with e talking a dui. Im 100 covered disabled vet. Backed break the law, i into my ditch right across the street from my yard, and i got my first dui. A en i had an argument with nice old lady and, unfortunately, i got a second dui. In no instance did i drive more than half a mile from my house. I never had an accident. I had my first truck that i my entire life eight 2001 Chevy Silverado couple years a back i was on probation at the time. They not only sees the truck, took me to jail, they held me down and took my blood refused to comply or h letting them take it anything like that, knowing that i had a second dui. So they held me down with seven forcibly drew my blood. Jail for 60 e in days for getting a second dui. They took my truck. They came over to my house and took my dog and euthanized at. I got a letter that i have 60 days to contest the seizure of my truck. Tim lynch, jeffs story seems to touch on several of that you worked on. Absolutely. We hear the stories all the time and they are very disturbing. Nobody is saying that people law break the criminal shouldnt be punished, but what very e seeing is these aggressive policing tactics and the seizures without affording person who is accused due process of law. People t is why so many are complaining about the injustices that go on. I think this is another example of that. The aggressive policing tactics, you also talk about some of the most egregious examples. A website at cato called policmisconduct. Net. Civil Asset Forfeiture, aspect, it is an legal. We are trying to get policymakers around congress and in the states to examine the laws and rewrite them. Russell is in North Carolina on our line for democrats. Good morning, russell. Good morning. How are you all doing today . Excellent, sir, go ahead. Yes, i wanted to ask about the Fourth Amendment and illegal search and seizure. And also in terms of the 14th amendment. In reference to eric holders memorandum bbringing criminal charges against wwhy is it that major corporations do not have they assets seized when commit criminal activities . Know the i do not document that you are referring to. Sometimes, the assets of corporations are seized. Face incredibly stiff fines and criminal prosecutions or Civil Enforcement actions. Is i do think the color getting caller is getting at another aspect of this thing, is that people who are targeted people who are poor and cannot afford attorney are very vulnerable to the seizures. It is just devastating to so many of these families. You take a vehicle a way from a for so many families around the country and they end up not trusting the police. To view the police as variable to act as really taking their property without proof. To show any and there are so many examples of people traveling around the buy a used car or to make some other purchase and the Police Officers on a hunch, i think you are involved in money hraurpb laundering. Im taking this. Go see this office if you want it back and it is very difficult to retrieve your get it back under the procedures that are written in the law. John puts it, it is illegal in america to have cash. Contraband. Is if the police come across drugs that. An seize but currency, it shouldnt be llegal for people to carry currency yet as a practical run into a Police Officer who wants to go on this that and just say you are laundering or ey you are about to do a im taking this. This could happen to anybody and people are shocked when it friend or a Family Member of theirs because this is thing you would expect to find in america. This is something you read about country. D world host has it ever happened to you . Guest it has not. Sun next robinson, illinois. Independent. Caller good morning, gentlemen. Mr. Lynch, you were commenting about how an officer stop people and try to get information from them. That says you have to do anything but give them your drivers license, registration, proof of insurance. Anything else you give them they you. Trying to catch the fifth amendment says you dont have to tell them anything at all. That is my comment. If people would just do that, i the civil Asset Forfeiture, if he doesnt know grand in your pocket he cant take it. Make a good point and at the website we mentioned. Net we have auconduct link for people to learn about their Constitutional Rights and to handle themselves in, lets say, a traffic stop situation. To recognize the eality of the Police Training tactics and way they can intimidate people. Say somebody has 2,000 in cash officer might say Something Like, look, if you dont sign his form and surrender this cash to me i think the prosecutor is probably going to ant to charge you with money laundering. If you want to avoid a criminal money let me seize the and you can get an attorney later and if you are traveling dont state you obviously want to be arrested and these are the circumstances and high tactics that people find themselves in and thats relucta eople will reluctantly, grudgingly, assets s give up their to a highway patrolman in those situations. Bgcked talked to a endcallers on the receiving and would love the last 15 minutes to hear from police may talk about their experiences with this as well. Lines you can call. Ntil then we go to jason of newcastle, pennsylvania, on the line for democrats. How are you doing . Host good, jason. Go ahead. Caller my little sister called me one day and she was being her job. D at and i got arrested for fighting fighting. Asnt the one after at the arrested me they found my pockets and four grams of marijuana, which my money. So, they called the District Attorney to the scene. Attorney looked at me and told me he was taking my proper property. I asked him how he was doing that. He looked right in my face and the marijuana you had you were delivering in. All e knew basically that he had to do is charge me with the Delivery Charge and take my property. I have been fighting this a year and a half, two years, the judge back, me my property which they then appealed and put in a motion for reconsideration. I then won that. Now they appealed it to the superior court. Host has the cost of fighting this and getting your property ack, did it cost more than the original value of the property hat was taken in the first place . Caller yes. I have spent 16,000 on my legal defense. It was not for the settlement had then i would never have been able to fight this. Is so awful. Sometimes people are so outraged about what has happened to them willing to spend the money to fight the system because they are so outraged by way they were treated and they want to get back at of cers they think are out control. And normally most people will but people towel like there gentleman or this gentleman or somebody involved civil liberty work or they have a relative or good friend Civil Liberties or criminal defense work they will the departmentue or spend what is necessary to bring this into a court where a conduct ofook at the the officers and try to correct his so it doesnt happen to others. Host caller from akron, ohio, republicans. Thank you for taking my call. The int on this is that opportunityaking an to seize assets while they are of our the citizens state to be without protection respect. Or instance, if you call for somebody stealing your vehicle they will say ok we will take a phone. Report by you call for the guy next door ealing with drugs they are there in 20 minutes. There is a problem with this. On the l people off highway, they bring the dog to the car and they run them around the car. Is nothing going on they go to the next guy and they o it up and down the highways everywhere in this town. Trained on e police this . Who is Training Police how to they themselves and when can invoke civil Asset Forfeiture laws . The training varies but a goodshington post did story focusing on training that 9 11 where y after you had the department of Homeland Security and Department Spending millions of dollars to train local police on how hway patrolmen they can use traffic stops in inquiries about property seizures and things going on in the car. Led to this escalation n the use of seizures around the country with the use of civil Asset Forfeiture powers. Sometimes say it is a Law Enforcement tool but like the cases there is or ccompanying warrant indictment. So, it is not like they are pursuing the criminal case. Seems like they are interested in chasing assets and lowing that into their budget and there doesnt seem to be that interest in pursuing the element, which is what hey continually tell us, civil Asset Forfeiture supplements their Law Enforcement tools but bringingdont see them criminal cases it seems they are in casing assets and that is another way civil orfeiture distorts Decision Making and police work. What we want the police to be public focusing on safety. Hat might mean following up on ads in unsolved rapes and it s no prospect of getting Financial Assets in a rape case but that should be a priority apprehend ed rapes. Seize your form when you film them . Has the Supreme Court ruled on th this . Guest it is really a First Amendment right for a person to so the police in public long as they are not obstructing or interfering with what the doing. Are now, that is pretty standard. E are winning that in court over and over again. But that doesnt mean you may not run into a Police Officer gets angry when he finds out a citizen is filming him. You and demandto that you turn your phone off or he may threaten to take it away you dont. That does happen. We are in this transition period where the police are trying to get used to people so many of these cell phones and filming the police out there doing their work. More unger officers are used to it. The older officers get angry ometimes and threaten to take the phones away. But under the law so long as you re not in their face and interfering with what they are trying to do whether interview a evidence, theyher should not be able to do that to you. That will probably be thrown out if you want to tphkno you could be threatened with it. We see that. Host jonesboro, arkansas, next the republican line, ray is waiting. Good morning, ray. Caller good morning. From what i have read and callers this morning there seems to be almost near universal agreement that laws are unjust and maybe ly abused except for Law Enforcement and prosecutors. Im curious why nothing is being to either get rid of them entirely or to at put serious curbs on how used. Re able to be why is nothing being done . Is t the primary reason that there is so much money at stake. AndLaw Enforcement agencies prosecutorial authorities, they arrangement ent very much. They have gotten tens of and in some ollars cases billions of dollars coming their way and they do not want present arrangement upset. Ow, as these stories of abuse spread and people learn about t, you are right, people are outraged by it and want to see the laws changed. Overt is very difficult to ome the status quo when the police and prosecutors are very much wanting to fight for the way things are. That is why it has become so difficult. Host there are some members of looking into re this. Jim sensenbrenner republican wisconsin last month sent a letter to the department of the Drug Enforcement administration and acting Customs Agency requesting information on their d. O. J. Pation in the Asset Forfeiture program and specifically their processes for on nistrative review property seizures. He asked for that information to him by yesterday. So, we will look forward to seeing what he does with that information. Other efforts on capitol hill to forfeiture . Asset there was a 2000 effort to reform civil Asset Forfeiture laws, correct . Guest thats correct, there was a reform. Congressman henry hyde. He was outraged. E recognized civil Asset Forfeiture represented an attack on private Property Rights in saw so many and he instances of abuse. He called was it government theft and he tried to introduce a reform bill. Improvement made in 2000. But the department of justice opposed other parts of that reform measure and , you know, kept of seizures number has increased and there is still not enough safeguards in the law. You mentioned sensenbrenner, tim ahlberg is a republican from michigan who has introduced a ill and senator rand ball has introduced a bill. Minutes left with tim lynch. New york m courtland, on the line for independents. Caller good morning, thank you for taking my call. Guys do a great job. From the military nd 10 years later i had a lot of different problems, i got divorce and went back to europe with my family. While i was gone after my my exwife ess changed her name and went for a assets nd went into my from my retirement, military, and she lied to all of these things, i didnt pay Child Support and they gave her a check. 0 the Supreme Court here, it is a people, gave 0,000 her all of these rights and gave her the house and said i sold it a dollar. I never signed it. Host a different set of laws we here is . Ng with guest i think so. There is john from venice, florida. Cato kudos to the institute. One of the most important and rogressive organizations in america. Think it is wise to use private possessions to protect them which are available lowes, microscopic im not clear on the this logy you paste stuff on your belongings and it identifies your equipment that register with the poli police. Host using technology to track your equipment. Guest im not familiar with that. On it. Can comment port, gary is in kings tennessee. Republican. Caller good morning. I appreciate the show. That is going f on. These officers have paychecks they get all the money. We have an abundance of cops in this town. Threes and ting in just one. Y dont set there are three and four cars at one place. It is their pocketbooks. I think that this country ought of itself. Ed host anne is in sugar grove, the line for , on independents. Good morning,anne. Morning. Good kings port is not far from sugar grove, North Carolina. Article and saw some documentaries on this and one of the sad stories in north about an restaurant take 25,000 in cash to buy restaurant equipment and he lost it all and they brought the dog out and they there were drugs and all on it. Ey has residue i at one time worked in a u. S. They eys office and seized money for drugs but the judge would rule like it is all money, all money has drug come e on it when they through a. T. M. Machines. Say my comment is this is adding to the militarization of police force. They get all of this equipment from the pentagon and now they of this money from people. Not supposed to have a military marching down our the ts but we are because cops have been military. Point that the caller was making at the end about the and arization of police their acquisition of military weapons and equipment is very to civil forfeiture and another reason we are concerned about it. And cashhen the assets are plowed back into the budgets of the Law Enforcement agencies going to the general treasury of North Carolina or police ia, it gives the agencies an independent Funding Source. O they are able to take that money and go directly to the pentagon and say we want to buy we would like armor ed vehicles, grenade launch earnings. Is disturbing and it gets away from our traditional system of checks and agency where a police normally has to go to their and say we body think we need this equipment and here is why then the legislature can listen and if they are persuaded they make the purchases. When the police can drive their own Funding Source through they can spend money and acquire things sometimes without the aware of it. Eing that is another way our system f checks and balances is being undermined. Host our last minute or so we want to ask you about president nominee for the next loretta rney general lynch. Guest no relation. Ost her background when it comes to civil Asset Forfeiture editorial in the wall street journal and that one area to question her. Guest i wish she would take a look at these laws. I think this is a topic that has a potential for bipartisan support. I think this is something where somebody like senator rand paul and the new obama attorney general Loretta Lynch should be able to get together say look, these laws need to be changed. Has er, i have to say it been my experience that the attorney general is a and kind of e defends the institutional interests of the department of now weaving inis financial rewards. So normally the department of ustice opposes Reform Efforts directed at civil Asset Forfeitures so it will take an leader to minded support reform. We will have to see what she says. The cato lynch is with institute. We appreciate your coming back washington journal. Guest thank you. Host in our open phone segment e will talk about yesterdays house vote on the keystone x. L. 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Us on facebook and follow us on twitter. Washington journal continues. Host in our last laugh hour or half hour we are opening up our phones to take your issuess about any of the we talked about today on the washington journal. That we want we do to go to julie bossman a senior new yorkent with the times on the phone to talk about ferguson, missouri, as it the grand jury decision on whether to charge shooting r in the death of Michael Brown. Shes been the lead new york reporter covering the issue. When is the grand jury expected to come out with the decision expected . We are told it could return think day. Pushed back week by week but the latest we have been told from the prosecutors we can expect a decision any time between mid november. So i think everyone is very extremely ready and eager for the grand jury to actually decide whether darren is there is probable cause to believe he committed a crime. Host so it is a criminal case they will decide on. On any also deciding civil rights charges in this case . They are not. He department of justice is conducting its own separate investigation and that ongoing. Ation is still that will determine whether Darren Wilson knowingly violated civil rights. S host how is ferguson itself and state preparing for this story that you worked on as well as other reporters from last week waits uneasily for the grand jurys decision . Is definitely a tense place right now. Expected at people this grand jury to return much to. Ner than it is going keep in mind this grand jury has been hearing evidence this the case since august 20. Michael brown was killed august 9. It has been several months and that is an extraordinarily long period of time for a grand hear evidence in any kiss. I think a lot of people are this ing why hasnt happened yet and when are we actually going to hear a decision. Brown family the itself saying . Obviouslywn family is very much expecting an indictment. Michael browns mother said a of days ago she said all i can see is an indictment. That she just could not imagine that grand jury would not return an indictment given and she cant imagine any or scenario. Ost is that at odds with the expectation here among those who have watched this case . It is hard to say. The bar is extremely high for a charged ficer to be with homicide. There are a number of charges could be charged with. He could be charged with manslaughter. An officerinvolved shooting officer to or an face charges. Host the governor announced a commission. What would that do and how far along is that . In the early stages. I think we are expecting that overnor nixon could name members of the commission as soon as next week. Quite a while before creating the commission and what the commission is going o do is still a little bit unclear and there is certainly a brown supporters who thought it was not a strong gesture. Host do we know where officer wilson is at this point . It is pretty extraordinary that officer wilson has remained sight as he has. He of course lives in the st. Area. He has familiar there. He has a fiance who lives there. And he really hasnt appeared at all. Is kind oft everyone wondering when officer wilson to the public view, if he will return to be a police offic indicted f he is not he will be , and charged at all. Bosman covering ferguson in the wake of theshoo. On this iate your time saturday morning. Thanks for having me. Host our phones are open to our to chat about any issues we have. We will start with that question should the president move orward on immigration without congress is what we asked and we talked about the u. S. China emissions deal and the civil Asset Forfeiture laws that about with one of he cato archers at t institute. The phones are open with the numbers on the screen. If you are outside the states 2025853883. I will show you some headlines we were not able to get to at the beginning. This is from roll call newspaper to the panel that convened probe the 2012 attacks on the created n benghazi was in the spring and had the first public hearing in september but otherwise has been quiet. Chairman of that panel told that roll call they will meet. They want to restore seriousness to the process that became paper protestant hyper partisan steve has been waiting. Oklahoma city oklahoma on our line for democrats. I think he may have stepped away from his phone. We will try to get back to him. In, new jersey. Good morning. We will get to him in a second. Coming up tomorrow we want to tell you about our newsmakers segment. We were joined by and philip filipic. By anne during that interview she changes that developed this year and the application that were on the healthcare. Gov website that opens this weekend. Here is a bit of what she had to say. Seen a preview of how they adjusted the application. The biggest thing that was noticeable to me was it was a much more streamlined application. Consumers go through the process and they have to reenter information they entered a few screens back. Looks a little different for different consumers because the application process is built to accommodate your specific situation. Of consumers they are going to see a lot of screens reduced from what was 76 down to 16. The other thing to know its we always talk about the website, how userfriendly that is. A lot of Consumers Want in person consist since. In princeton assistance. In person assistance. You can see that entire with thes interview president of an rural america. Enroll america. We are waiting for your calls in this segment. Chuck is calling in. Good morning to you. How is i was calling memberthe when a gang or a crook robs you you can call the police. When the police robs you, who do you call . Are they going to be able to take your debit card and go down , ortrain your bank account take your credit card and go down to the store and exit out . And max it out . Who do you call when the police robbie you . You policeie rob you. Lets go to doug calling from california. Lived through the l. A. Riots. We had an emergency legislation a tenyear mandatory sentence. Something similar can be done with ferguson. Arson, looting, position of looted property, automatic 10 year sentence. The problem went away within less of a week. Less than a week. Every singleting day. Something like that would be a deterrent. Sending in the National Guard and ramping up the police response, people will think twice about doing anything if there is an actual deterrent. The word of the governor Means Nothing unless there is actual legislation law. Lets go to kelly. , good morning. Experts mentioned Global Warming is a natural aspect. It has been happening through history and i do not see how stopping us from living our life as we want is really going to help. Tell me how it changes your life as you want. You talk about some of the private action efforts by the Obama Administration. Is going to impinge on the americans way of life, those of us who like to be able to eat beef area countries like they havent mentioned indonesia or india or any of those other countries. How can we deny them the chance to live as we have lived . Blaine is waiting as well. Good morning. Go ahead. In march of 2011i was in [indiscernible] a u. S. Officer profiled me. He did a uturn. He had no probable cause. His reason for pulling me over my truck appears to violate law. How can you pull me over when i am on the tc site for a marist lind state for a maryland state law . What is a blueline sticker . It identifies you are a Law Enforcement officer, whether it is correctional, Police Officer, sheriff. Offduty tc am an special Police Officer. He asked for my clearance. I showed it to him. Im going to take your car because your tags and registration is suspended. I did have a legitimate license. He did a call on the radio and before you know we had a helicopter and Police Officers surrounding me and my wife and my friend. Me and was registered to they unloaded my lockbox in the trunk of my car. E handcuffed me, he said he was just detailing me. Did your car get taken . Caller no. He parked the car and he took me to a station. Talking about his experience. Want to point you to this story in the Washington Post. Postmaster general of the u. S. Postal service announced friday he will retire on february 1 after a four year run. Succeeded by megan brennan, according to the , who will become the first female postmaster general. The Washington Post notes if you want to read more on that story it is in the Washington Post. Good morning, christopher. I was calling in regard to some of the case is talked about with Law Enforcement agencies. Now i am in grad school. Im still having to go back to court dates, to the location where this happened. Law enforcement agencies and courts systems in georgia, they think they are above the law. You can use cell phone recordings and you are able to record Police Officers. But when you walk into court in georgia there are signs saying you cannot bring your courthouse in. That bring your cell phone in. They are trying to not allow people bringing in cell phones to court. Did you have any of your assets taken . Are you trying to get them back . I did not have any assets taken but i am just making the point talking about the cell phone usage. By permissible permissible by law in georgia to use your cell phone. It wont allow you to bring it in. Mike. Lets go to journalon washington washington journal. Caller freedom is not free. You have to be going to pay for , go after the evildoers, people they are you served the law people that usurp the law. We are almost being knuckled and wey the government actually have to take our government back. A little tip for folks out on try to grab aver cups gun. To his gunget close because only bad things can happen if you make any kind of motion to his gun. Host greg is in san antonio this morning. You are on washington journal. I see the ku Klux Klan Estrada get in on the going ons in ferguson, missouri. This is happening with everybody. Probationight year from the San Antonio Police department. That pulled me over saying i was running a stop sign. They asked me to get out of the and i tried to give up, saying i dont want any trouble. And thenant no trouble and theyandcuffs on me threw what he did to me right out the door. That is greg telling his story from san antonio. Onare taking your comments any of the issues we have talked about this morning from to that carbon Emission Reduction deal in china and of course the civil Asset Forfeiture laws. I want to turn to politicos Energy Reporter to talk about the house of representatives approving the keystone xl pipeline legislation in a vote of 252161. The twold be easier of chamber votes that could happen in the next week or so. That is right. It is one thing to vote in favor of keystone, it is another thing to vote to override a president ial veto. Before we get to the possibility of a veto, what is happening in the senate when it comes to a keystone . [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, thinks itry landrieu can save her neck in the louisiana runoff. She is one senator away from 60, the magic number two pass anything in the senate. Energy reporter at politico, here is her story from last week. House passes keystone bill. About the democrats that may be joining republicans in the senate to vote for the keystone xl pipeline. Caller we have been able to get some more clarity on how many folks are still undecided. Cory booker of new jersey, angus , and johnine rockefeller of west virginia. Talk about the continued disagreement that is happening even as the two sides position on a keystone xl pipeline vote in the senate, on how many jobs this is going to be and if this is a major jobs bill or not. Caller they point to the state departments own refill, which says it will be somewhere on the order of 100 jobs. It is important to remember is pipeline. That will create some temporary construction jobs. Built itpipeline is will eventually go away. Republicans point to their own the oilons that show the pipeline would bring into america would have a spinoff economic effect. It willblican say create tens of thousands of jobs, they refer to these indirect and spend off and spinoff jobs. At a time when americans are seeing record low gas prices, what would it mean for gas prices in the United States . Is truly tough to measure because gases on the global price of oil and this is from canada to hear. Trans canada talks about the potential to see Higher Oil Prices in the midwest if you build this pipeline. Up theally this frees glut of canadian oil that clusters the midwest. This pipeline may increase gas prices. They are referring to the potential for price and the west. Price in lay the west. I want to ask you about another story you wrote for politico. The democrats as favorite the democratsthe favorite denier. Why are they cheering him . Its always good to have a colorful enemy. Liberals were able to make their raise their own profile by tearing down a conservative president. Bombastic. Be that is a good thing for people who opposes them. An Energy Reporter at politico and expert on the keystone xl pipeline. Thank you for getting up with us. We have 10 minutes left in todays show. We want to get to as many calls as we can. Craig is in oklahoma. Good morning. Caller i think the litmus test for executive orders should be this if the president speaks on an issue that affects the that the states should have been given the , if henity to vote on steps on that or do some huge issue that should have been decided by the state i believe that point the president has crossed the line into an imperial presidency. The litmus test is should the states have voted on it . Fdr, Woodrow Wilson all have done things that were really imperial. I think barack obama will be on, and it you make an order that he should have left the house and senate to vote on. All eyes on capitol hill are looking to the white house in the coming days. Perhaps early next week on a necks acute order, expected to immigration. If it happens it would be the most significant protection authored since 1986 when Congress Passed a major immigration bill that allowed 2. 7 million. Lets go to robert waiting in illinois. Host good morning. Caller caller good morning. That poor man is going to spend the rest of his life trying to disguise himself. The first time he shows his say his face in ferguson somebody is going to shoot him. Host robert is in illinois. Next caller is from tennessee. Caller the direct power is the power to tax. Obama is, it is just another tax. Obama tried to get cap and trade. Henry waxman introduced the bill in the house. We look at the countries that signed that accord and what it has done to their economy and the thousands of people in europe who died several thousand years ago when they couldnt afford to heat their houses. We see everything going up. Another tax on energy and health. I dont know if america can survive another two years of obama. He has taken the jobs away from people who need them and given them to the illegals that are here. We know they are all going to be on welfare. People need to wake up to what he is doing to our standard of living. The president is concluding an overseas trip in australia. He will be there for the g 20 summit. He is expected to deliver a policy speech. Here is a story on the g20 summit. If you want to read more on that story it is in the wall street journal. Left. Minutes our next open phone call is in tennessee. To mississippi. Good morning. I want to know why we dont talk about illegal immigration from european countries. Host nows your time to talk about it. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, they they only talk about caller caller theyll me talk about mexicans. Expected movement from the white house here in the coming days, perhaps early this coming week. Go to douglas waiting in illinois. Good morning. Caller thank you very much for cspan. Comment is about the problems in ferguson are just the tipping point. We have to establish uniform regulations for criminal and investigative procedures. There are four of them that americans have forgotten. Police are abusing the rights of the americans. We have to Pressure Congress to get behind these decisions. Coup in congress is leading the effort that you would like to see . Caller if nobody is doing it i would like to code there and do it. To go there and do it. Host johnny is waiting in arkansas. Caller i have a few questions for you. Some personal things have happened to me. Sir to aay yes, Police Officer, that does not give them the right to slam you into a wall and eat the holy crop out of you. Matter how much money you spend, you have to stand up for your rights. That is what i am fixing to do. I am going to court over that case lasther year. I was in a public facility. I was asked to step outside. They accused me of doing something i did not do. They took a hundred 50 they took 150 from me. Host were you ever charged with anything in these cases . I took a charge i did not agree with but i wanted to host what was the charge . Caller they tried to charge me with possession of marijuana. To sixid i sold different people that day, which is a lie because there hadnt been six people leaving that bar that day. Next caller is up next in georgia. I will like to give a short presentation on Global Warming. Host we have about one minute. 5 one minute and a half. 1,000,300e sun is thousand times the size of the earth. It is a ball of fire that controls all climates. The earth is a rock. It is a speck in comparison to the size of the sun. Inhabitants of the earth are less than specs. How do less than specs in Congress Plan to control the sun . They know they cant control the sun. They can only control me and you. Thank you. Carlos is up next in texas. Good morning. Cspan. Thank odd for basic constitutional issues under the Fourth Amendment. There are equal protections of the law. You dont have interest they go ahead and forfeited. It becomes one of those nobody wants to help the situation. It is an oppression issue. The poor people the beers and liquors and now it is marijuana. The companys comment and they get in the picture. Y are for feeding forfeiting the vehicles. Host that is all the time we have today. Join us tomorrow when we will be joined by terry jeffrey, who will talk about the Incoming Congress and executive actions by the president. By adamwill be joined green, the cofounder of the Progressive Agenda campaign committee. Connable will been talk about training iraqi and kurdish forces. Have a great saturday. [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2014] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org] the senator tim kaine