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All others, 2027488002. Send us a tweet or go to facebook. Com cspan or send an email. We will get to your thoughts in a minute but first a little bit more from the 45 years old paul ryan from wisconsin last night. Need to be a proposition party. Because we think the nation is on the wrong path, we have a duty to show the right one. Our next speaker has to be a visionary one. We need to update our house rules so that everyone can be a more effective representative. This is the peoples house and we need to do this as a team. It needs to include fixes to ensure we do not experience constant leadership challenges and crisises. As a conference, she did now and that after a divisive speaker election. Personal,oint, it is i cannot and will not give up my family time. I may not be on the road as often as previous speakers, but i place to try and make up for it with more time communicating our vision, our message. Host paul ryan last night telling the Washington Press corps what he told his colleagues behind closed doors, that he will serve if conditions are met and if they can unite behind him. Currentlyfetz, the chairman of the Reform Committee who was seeking the speakership tweeted out that he is out and supporting paul ryan. The right person at the right time. Daniel webster, the republican from florida u. S. At the endorsement of the House Freedom out. S says he is not he is still in it. The Freedom Caucus endorsing him when Kevin Mccarthy was still seeking the top spot. This morning, front page of the drudge report, king paul, pledge your allegiance is their headline. He is a democrat favorite after harry reid endorsed him for the job and obamas newport are. New partner. Juliet, what do you think of paul ryan . Whenr i am comfortable, it comes to politics and voting, youd have to decide who you are comfortable with, you will never be 100 with anyone. I am comfortable, i am ok, i am an independent. Host what do you think he can do that another republican could not do . Caller he is strong. I think he has good relationships around there. I have been watching it a little bit. That is what you need. You need to have good relationships. He has very good ideas. I like what he set about restructuring the culture which is definitely a need we have. On both sides, i am tired of the cold like flavor of democrats democratsflavor of and republicans. People telling you what to do money, that is a cul t. Remove this money issue. Every single legislative issue should be standalone without all of this extra crap they stick in there, it should be an up and down vote. Hopefully we can get some people in there that will do that. If youhould paul ryan, become speaker, compromise with democrats and the white house . Caller i do not see things as a compromise. I see things as a negotiation. I have done a lot of negotiations. You never get every single thing you want on either side. What a negotiation looks like is, you trade off something that is more important to you and you give the other side something important to them. That is what negotiations look like. The media would do a Better Service to all of us if it would educate the public on things like this instead of taking sides in this tabloid like reporting. I am really upset with the media, they are taking sides, they are supposed to report the news and educate and i am unhappy with the media. They have created a huge disservice and helped solidify a lot of the factions that are going on. In our politics. The media needs to take a lot more responsibility than they do. Host david in North Carolina, on our line for all others. California isk hitting a lot. I think paul ryan is the one. I would like to see another platform such as the social media do a little bit more to allow us to comment and read along the bills as they pass through the houses of government. Thank you. Host here is how we are dividing the lines, conservative republicans, those of you who believe that this leadership so far has not been conservative enough and what do you think about paul ryan, 2027488000. Moderate republicans, 2027488001. All others, 2027488002. We are showing you the front page of the wall street journal. In the article they note that paul ryan told republicans he envisions redefining the job as one more focused on communicating the partys message with less time spent on the road raising money. This from the Washington Post, much depends on what assurances of support he can win from a republican republican hardliners. He met privately with leaders of the House Freedom caucus, a heartrights group that pushed Speaker John Boehner out of his post and a rail Kevin Mccarthys bid for the speakership. It says that that meeting and without specific commitments according to members president and of the subsequent gop conference meeting, paul ryan made clear he would need for of support from key groups to move forward. The Freedom Caucus was explicitly mentioned, as well as the conservative Republican Study Committee and the moderate tuesday group. A conservative in mumford, tennessee. What is your reaction . Caller good morning. I think paul ryan is a great man. A good man of character. Doubt what is happening in the Republican Party is good at all because it seems like they do not have sense. We are letting him and we got rid of make his pick. He wants to run the thing while he is out. Host you think that caller does not want the job to begin with. I think he is doing a good job of where he is at. Several states and a man out in the states that has run made the trains run on time with the experience of the speakership. That is what we should do, let the man that wants the job that makes the trains run the time run on time had the job. Get behind him instead of doing an idiotic thing like forcing someone into a job they do not want, therefore they will not do a good job. Host you think that John Boehner Paul Ryan is john pick . Rs take caller he said he was. The problem with john boehner, he showed it the other day, when kevin stepped down, when they were supposed to have a boat coming that three people running , when kevin step down and said he did not want said he did not want it. Boehner stepped up and said, we have a problem, we have one man that stepped down and have two men in the running, what shall we do . Shall we go forward with a vote or put it off . That is showing leadership. When you want to dictate and say, we are going to stop this, i am going to pick my own man, that is a problem. Way pault about the ryan announce this, first behind closed doors and telling his colleagues but then going before the cameras and telling the American People at a press conference. What do you make of that . And saying that conditions have to be met. That ishink that what i am saying, he does not want the job. He dont want the job. I do not blame them. He has a good family he wants to spend time with, he said that many times and watch it before someone into a job they do not want . I do not think that i am glad i like i like seeing somebody be very clear with what their their desires their desires are. He does not want the job. Host who is your candidate . Daniel webster has made the trains run on time and is a good man, he did it with a democratic governor. Let somebody have the job that wants the job that has proven themselves. Host a moderate in des moines. Caller he would make a great speaker of the house and address the fact that the United States is 18 trillion in debt and we have to fix that, otherwise we will go bankrupt. We could bring up the proper bills to address the situation. He would be a great guy. About that, ask you lawmakers facing a deadline of raising the debt ceiling, the Treasury Department telling congress that they need to do something about this before november 3 or the treasury will run out of money, should they do that . Caller no, i would not raise it. I have to live within my means. The government needs to cut back all this foreign spending and this welfare. We need to live within our means. You take 1 trillion and years,ed two seconds, 32 we have 18 of those babies. Host what a qa moderate republican what makes you a moderate republican . Caller i used to be conservative, i have mellowed in my old age and i were i believe republicans can help but i voted for obama. Host lawmakers wrangle over plans to avert, manage, or embrace default. With the potential for an unprecedented federal default sweeps away, House Republicans plan to pass legislation not to avert disaster but to manage it. Generally daily Tax Collections to the nations creditors and Social Security recipients, if the governments Borrowing Limit is not lifted. The Obama Administration says the plan is unworkable. Leadership appears to be buying time to find enough members of their own party to join democrats in supporting an increase or suspension of the statutory debt limit by the november 3 deadline so the nation can borrow to pay its bills, all of them without a market shaking crisis. The challenge is daunting, the risk of the nations first default has increased along with the numbers of Tea Party Republicans who have entered congress. Many of them pledge to opposed any debt limit increase, standoffs over the issue in 2013 at 2011 cause measurable economic damage including setbacks for American Retirement accounts. If the story line has the ring of what cries wolf, one financial analyst wrote in his newsletter to Market Investors this week that the end of the book the wolf is the boy the wolf eats the boy. Mitch mcconnell said the senate would await house action, Senate Republicans would like to also attach conditions to the debt ceiling but he declined to specify what those might include. With time running out, what the house will vote on wednesday and sent to the senate falls far short of the needed debt limit increase. The default prevention act is a variation of their past proposals to give priority to certain obligations that can be covered by incoming taxes if the debt limit is breached. More reaction from capitol hill to the news of paul ryan saying he will gladly come in his own words, take on the speakership if the speaker republicans unite behind him. Saysocrat from wisconsin she is wishing her friend let and success in unifying the republicans, we desperately need a functioning government. A republican from florida, proud to support paul ryan, he is a principled and innovative legislature who reflects our nations priorities. Peter king from new york says paul ryan is an outstanding choice for speaker, all gop faction should endorse him. That is what peter king had to say. But rohrabacher is opposing opposition insist on. A republican from california, barbara comstock, says please join the alarming majority of my colleagues in endorsing paul ryan for speaker. Barbara comstock from virginia, excuse me. North to alina, you are on the year, what is your reaction to the news that paul ryan will seek the speakership . Caller republicans are garbage. Let me tell you why they are garbage. Bush had a 10 year tax cut. He took and went and spent all the money on war. Around this person talking about debt, most of the debt came from the republicans. Host tie that to the news that paul ryan says he will lead if they unite. Caller i am getting to that. Elected,a got democrats had control of the house of representatives and the senate. They have struggled the whole time. Then they get in the office, they come about talking about we are going to cut austerity. We are going to cut education. We are going to cut planned parenthood. Were going to cut medicaid. All of these different entitlements. One of them is affecting women. Women you got to get them out of there. They got to go. Host we will move on to lucas bill, ohio, ohio, a conservative republican. Caller how are you . Host good morning. Caller i have three words, dumb, dumber, dumbest. I watch cspan often and people have so little idea of what is going on. They talk about the 18 trillion like 56is more trillion. Mr. Obama has spent and spent and spent. Remember the doors that are closed that they go behind . He does this all the time. The news is not getting out to the people. Just like the gentleman before me, he does not know what he is talking about. That is part of the dumb, dumber, and dumbest. Host what do you think about paul ryan . Job as ae got a lobbyist for a million and a half a year come maybe he is not gotten the job yet. Host where did you hear or read that . Caller very early in the morning. You know something, you get up early in the morning and you get the real news. Rps. Omes in blu host florida, good morning, what do you think . Caller good morning. Thank you. This is interesting. Ryans demands, good luck with that. The problem i see is that the congressional districts are so gerrymandered that there is a stalemate, the representatives are dug in and will not compromise. Down pauley will pull ryan just like they did john boehner. There is no way we can have any compromise or anything to go forward because of the gerrymandering in their districts. They do not have to and they do not want to and they cannot. Host more of your calls coming up but first want to get to other news, a White House Reporter for usa today joining us, president obama visiting West Virginia today to talk about drug abuse. Why this visit . Why this issue now . Guest it has come up before politically in the last several months. Particularly in New Hampshire were a lot of president ial candidates are campaigning for the 2016 election. Heroin abuse has been a big issue in New Hampshire and a lot of candidates are talking about it which has contributed to discussion in washington and it was picked up by the white house. The president will go to talk about new government efforts to dissuade people from becoming addicted to heroin and prescription drugs. Host why this visit now . Is a part of the larger theme coming out of the white house . No,er no, basic guest to democrats in West Virginia who are criticized him for going for Climate Change and after the street, free trade is another issue. Part of the trip is in order to rebuild relations with West Virginia democrats. Also taking advantage of a topic that is becoming hot in political circles and will probably get hotter, particularly as the New Hampshire primary approaches and you will be reading more about the heroin epidemic which is going on in rural areas throughout the midwest and northeast. Host what will we hear from him, some sort of executive action . Caller exactly, he will talk to local residents about prospects and will be talking about a variety of federal state federal, state, and local programs designed to prevent drug abuse. Issuing a talking directive to federal agencies to step up training for Health Care Professionals in dealing with drug abuse. They will be improvements in training for about half of the Health Care Providers including doctors and nurses and talking about a Public Service campaign using major media and Major League Sports organizations to try to get out the word and dissuade young people from starting drugs. , i want to jackson talk about other potential news out of the white house. That is whether or not Vice President joe biden will be seeking the white house. What is the latest and what do you know about a possible announcement . Guest no one really knows. There has been a lot of reporting going on and a lot of it is contradictory. On monday there is a report that Vice President biden would make an announcement within 48 hours, that is up today and no psyche will make any announcement one way or another. He will probably not say anything before Hillary Clintons testimony on benghazi. A lot of people near the Vice President who are talking and speculating but the Vice President himself is not talking and the people closest to him are not talking. My advice to your viewers would be to sit back and wait and see what happens. We will note soon enough. Know soon enough. Host he was talking yesterday, some are reading into what he had to say. I want to show our viewers what he had to say. [video clip] Vice President biden for the president and to others, they knew about of audubon in august. Major players in the cabinet did not know about it until january or february. It was something that was a difficult call for the president. We sat in the cabinet room and at the end of the day, making decision, he said, i want everybodys opinion and everybody went around the room and there were only two people definitive, and rapp saloon. And absolute. Leon panetta said go and bob gates said do not go. Were 5941, some sango but it was a close call and i joked and said, you all; 17 a Larry Summers sound like 17 Larry Summers. You do, joe, what would there was a third option, i said we should make one more pass with another uav to see if it is him. The reason i did that, i did not want to take a position to go if that was not where he was going to go. As we walked out of the room and walked upstairs, i told him my opinion, i thought he should go. Host joe biden at an event in washington yesterday saying he back the rate that ultimately killed osama bin laden. With previous reporting about who in the room said what . Not, its at that joe biden was in the dont go camp. The raid took place in early may of 2011 and there was reporting quickly after that joe biden and gates recommended against the raid. More studies it should be pointed out that joe biden has changed his story before come as early of january 2013 he gave an interview in which he said the same thing he just said. He has been pushing back against the initial narrative for quite some time. I do not think he is pushing it because he is thinking about running for president and Hillary Clinton has made a big issue about the fact that she was on board with going with the raid early on. Host the Vice President at this event talking about, we have had two great secretary of states bolognese travels overseas and meets with leaders, they know he is speaking directly for the president. Why make all these comments now . Guest he is thinking about running for president and you raceeeing a potential against Hillary Clinton who was secretary of state and he is arguing that as Vice President he has been the more influential adviser to president obama and secretary of state clinton was. One of the things you will see debated if he jumps and. Jumps in. Host david jackson, thank you. In other news, the Richmond Times dispatch with the headline that jim webb is out, he will not seek the democratic nomination for president in 2016. However, he is pondering an independent run. We cover that event of jim webbs announcement, go to our website cspan. Org to find it and all of the discussion with Vice President joe biden at George Washington yesterday. David jackson mentioned the benghazi hearing taking place thursday at 10 00 a. M. Eastern time and we will have coverage here on the journal before leading up to it and also on andan3, cspan radio cspan. Org is where you will be able to watch and listen to Hillary Clinton testified. Some people saying they expect her to be in the chair for up to eight hours. At the hearing. Before the select committee that is investigating or over 17 months what happened on september 11, 2012 in benghazi, libya. The front page of the Washington Times cover according to a memo, the state approved an arms shipment to libya in 2011, the state department initially approved the weapons shipment from a California Company to libyans seeking to oust Muammar Gaddafi and 2011, even though the United Nations arms ban was in place. This according to memos recovered from the burnedout compound in benghazi. The documents obtained by the Washington Times show u. S. Diplomats at the bugatti compound were keeping track of several potential u. S. Sanctions shipment to allies, one of more of which destined for the Transitional National council, the libyan movement that was seeking to oust good off the and form a new government oust moammar can often inform a new government, and included rocket launchers, machine guns and ammunition. Much of a new and inexpensive hardware originally produce any former soviet bloc of eastern europe. A Small Network of u. S. Arms merchants that worked with u. S. Intelligence confirmed one of its licensing request to ship weapons through kuwait to libya was approved by the street state department and inexplicably revoked before the armaments were sent. In the Washington Times they know that the state department has authority to specifically sanction ship arms shipments to certain countries. That in the Washington Times this morning, we will see if it gets brought up in the hearing when Hillary Clinton testifies before the committee. Wall street journal, nbc out with new polling. It shows that Hillary Clinton is bucking. 42 have a the race, preference for heller cousin is 70 for joe biden. In october, gone down for the Vice President , up for the former secretary of state. Preference for democrats if joe biden is not in the race, 58 going for Hillary Clinton. They do polling about benghazi as well. They found out that Hillary Clintons response to questions about the attacks, 40 44 say they are not satisfied with her percent and 27 said they were and 28 said they do not know. The republican investigation into the benghazi attacked come at their sick percent said unfair and too partisan while 29 believe it is fair and impartial. That if i present do not know enough. 35 do not know enough. About paul ryan telling his colleagues yesterday and the public that he will seek the speakership if all the republicans will unite behind him. He want support from all the major factions. The tuesday group, a moderate and the Republican Study Committee, another conservative faction of the republicans. The wall street journal, editorial, they say that he can lead but will enough republicans follow him is what they want to know. They agree with the conditions that representative ryan set out in his press conference yesterday to his republican colleagues. A conservative thinks we are hanging on the line a conservative on the line. Caller i do support him, he is not as conservative as i am. That i think is the Freedom Caucus will back him because the recent they would back into Webster Daniel webster, was that he was going to switch the structure of the house around so that the members had more of a say. Paul ryan mentioned that in one of his points. That he was going to do the same thing. That is big for the Freedom Caucus. The second thing about paul ryan is that he is a direct theendent of jack kemp, author of supply and economics supply side economics that reagan used. He is the foremost expert on that. Where that will come into play that will make conservatives really happy is that through reconciliation, which you can do on budget matters when youre cutting the budget, with the majority vote you can send bills to the president to cut the budget. When paul ryan says we have to have vision, what he will do is start putting policies that obama will clearly veto and they will not be able to stop that, but they will show what they would do it they were in charge, and the president s seat. That will be positive and show the American People an idea of what an administration would look like under a conservative economic theory. Host let me get your reaction to the criticism by talkshow radio hosts and other conservatives who point to paul ryans records and say they have trouble supporting him because the 2008rp during economic crisis and because he supported that. Brokering a spending deal with democrats in 2013 and most crucially, becoming a leading republican proponent of Immigration Reform packages that would give you legal immigrants a path to legal status. Caller here is how you deal with that. As the speaker of the house, which is what hes going for, they are limited on what they can do. What will be the strength will be pushing through the reconciliation bills to get on the president s desk which will not have they will not they will not be addressing immigration. Peopleou know, a lot of were for it and a lot of people against it, it is what it is. The what was the other thing . Host immigration and the budget deal he struck with patty murray , a democrat from washington, a twoyear budget deal that put in place sequestration . Caller sequestration host that avoided sequestration. Caller he is trying to work out a deal. Know, you do not you cannot just make the laws and put in your own budget. Ryans budget are pretty conservative. House, he isf the not the president. That. E to stay focused on and the fact is that he will do the things that will make conservatives happy. What we are and the Freedom Caucus, who i identify with, are upset about, is the lack of fight and the fact that they are not putting any bills on the showdents desk to veto to what we stand for. The problem with john boehner is that he was not he did not have the vote, he was not putting anything that. Ryan will put something out there. Host i am going to move on so we can get in david in maryland, a moderate. Caller i think that anyone that has any kind of leadership is desperately needed in washington. The problem the republicans have rights now is that it is just a total lack of leadership. No direction. Moderate,that, as a the only thing that matters to me is personal responsibility. More so, financially. To me, to shut everything down parenthood,nned which i have no opinion on, i am not a woman, that is such a minor issue. It shows total ridiculous leadership. If youshut it down, ok, shut it down for some major reform, ok, but to shut it down for such a thing, i think that is what so many people think about the tea party. So many people so disgusted because republicans cannot get anyone that has any kind of plan , or any kind of vision. Everyone wants to talk about reagan but reagan says you have to show the difference for people to want to believe. Host referencing the last fight before Speaker Boehner announced that he would step down from his post, that is the continuing resolution that would keep the government funded because congress has been unable to come together on spending bills for this fiscal year. The fiscal year then out september 30, head of that, this fight over planned. Arenthood likely to be renewed you have a deadline of the debt ceiling by november 3. You have the highway spending bill that will expire at the end of the month. A lot on the plate for whoever would become the next speaker. This from the Washington Times this morning, leslie b Tea Party Patriots hold on the Freedom Caucus to rally around conservative alternatives to mr. Of nociting his support child left behind, the Medicare Prescription Drug benefit, the wall street bailout, and increases in the nations Borrowing Limit. The boats show he is no different than john boehner and Kevin Mccarthy and grassroots conservatives and the gop conference have already rejected. Morningoklahoma, good steve in oklahoma good morning. Caller sounds like the same good old boy club. It sounds to me like the costofliving wage will be stopped from the people who most need it and i believe that congress will get a raise this year. You know, same old business different day. Florida,id in holiday, conservative. What do you think . Caller good morning. I think paul ryan would make a very good speaker of the house. He is young with a couple of young kids which i think he sits been more time with them and enjoy his life. He should spin more time with them and enjoy his life. If he become speaker he will not have time. York and i work six days a week and i have three girls. When i came home i could not see them at nighttime, they went to bed, only time i had was a sunday off. I think paul ryan would really be taking advantage of his little kitties so kids. He should spend more time with his kids. Host he talked about that yesterday when he approached the cameras and he talked about he will not give up his family time. Take a listen. [video clip] mr. Ryan it is our duty to treat the people to serve the people the way they deserve to be served at to make tough decisions to get our country back on track. The challenges we face today are too difficult and demanding to turn our backs and walk away. Global terror, war on multiple fronts, a government grown unaccountable, unconstitutional. Out of touch. Persistent poverty, a sluggish economy, flat wages, a skyrocketing debt. We cannot take on these challenges alone. Now more than ever we must Work Together. All of us are representatives of the people. All people. We have been entrusted by them to lead. , theyhe people we serve do not feel we are delivering on the job that they hired us to do. We have become a problem. If my colleagues and trust me to be the speaker, in trust me to become the speaker, i want to be the solution. Host paul ryan saying what he talked about with his colleagues behind closed doors, saying if they get behind him he would gladly take on the speakership but says there are conditions, one of them is that he would not give up his family time to crisscross the country raising money for the Republican Party. He said that he feels a duty to serve at talking about what he believes is the duty of the Republican Party. Keep getting your thoughts, we have a few minutes left, lets go to other headlines, front page of the New York Times, Police Leaders joined the call to cut prison more than 130 police cheats, prosecutors, sheriffs, including the most prominent Law Enforcement officials in the country are adding their cuts to reduce the incarceration rate. Asserting that too many people are the high bars that do not belong debate plan to announce today that they have formed a group to push for alternative to arrest, reducing the number of criminal laws and reducing mandatory minimum sentences. They are scheduled to meet thursday with president obama. Many of you have heard of this coming from the Cancer Society yesterday about mammograms. In a shift, a Group Advising fewer mammograms, not to get until your 45 are 45 and says you should get annual spring from 55 says women at 55 should transition to getting them every other year because cancer grows more slowly. Policy, below the fold in usa today, russia and the u. S. Came to a deal yesterday on a flight patterns in syria, the pentagon and russian militaries have recent green and to avoid conflicts among pilots and drones blowing over syria flying over syria. Russia begin bombing runs from a base in syria, most targeting opponents of the regime. U. S. Warplanes have been flying missions against fighters from the Islamic State, russias sports genre sought Washington Post reporting that the syrian leader taking his first known flight abroad since the war began in 2011 yesterday, meeting with Vladimir Putin in russia. , they do on iraq not want help from russia according to a top u. S. Officer. The general examines the options to boost battle against the Islamic State in that country. This other Foreign Policy news in the Washington Times, a story about the next Prime Minister of canada. Canadian Prime Minister designate just and true no took his first congratulatory call from a foreign leader. Took his firstau congratulatory call from a for later. A foreign leader. Rebuildhe would work to relationships with the u. S. He says the white house offered a cautious welcome to the next prime and mr. Who is likely to be more into with mr. Obama on issues such as Climate Change and economic stimulus. But good part on defense policies and his refusal to endorse the massive Transpacific Partnership trade deal. Give us yourburgh, thoughts on paul ryan caller good morning. I have a couple of predictions. My first production is paul ryan never makes it to the speakership because i do not believe the Freedom Caucus will agree to his demands. Most notably his demand he wants to strengthen the speakership and not allowing them to have the current rules to vacate the chair. I do not think they will agree to that. The second thing, the Republican Party, i am a democrat, the Republican Party remains is me amazes me, the debt limit problem, you and i go out with our credit cart and by 10 things and the bill becomes due and we say we will pay for this, this, and this but we will not pay for that, that, that and by passing these continuing resolutions they do not understand they are continuing the necessity for raising the debt limit. Get together with democrats and past budgets that bring the slope downward toward a balanced budget, then we would not have to pass all of these that limit increases. Debt limit increases. When they play these dangerous russian roulette games with saying they will make certain payments to the Debt Services and certain payments will have to wait, my prediction is that the first Social Security checks that are missed to seniors is the day the republicans will cease to exist as a national party. Host we are going to talk about all you laid out and more with republican david jolly of florida. About the way forward for leadership and the legislative agenda. Later, Chris Van Hollen a top democrat on the Budget Committee will discuss spending battles and whether the two sides can reach consistent consensus. Thats after this short break. This sunday night on to hyundai, New York Times National Political reporter amy chose it shares are experiences from Hillary Clintons president ial campaign and compares what it is like now to back in 2008. I was a lot younger, i was the traveling person, not in a senior role. When you are traveling all the time, i got to know the people who traveled with her, and i felt i got to know her very well because she would come back and talk to us. I did not have the same sources at the campaign and highlevel people i have now. Whether that is a function of the times or being in a more senior role. Sunday night at 8 00 eastern and pacific on cspans q and a. Isignature feature of booktv our allday coverage of book fairs and festivals from across the country with top nonfiction authors. There is our schedule beginning this weekend, live in the nations heartland, wisconsin book festival in madison. At the end of the month, in nashville for the southern festival of books. At the start of november back on the east coast for the boston book festival. In the middle of the month, the louisiana book festival in baton rouge. At the end of november, lived for the 18th year in a row on florida for the Miami Book Fair international. At the National Book awards from new york city. Some of the fairs and festivals this fall on cspan2s booktv. With davide back jolly, republican of florida. The news out of washington, what do you think about paul ryan, should he be the next speaker, will you support him . Guest he is an intellectual giant and would be a great face for the party, a natural leader and somebody that can unite the party. Paul ryan is not yet a speaker candidate. He made very clear he is not a candidate for speaker. Unless the house agrees to certain conditions that he made. I endorsed Daniel Webster earlier in the speaker race, he still has my very strong support and he would be a great speaker for this moment in time for our party, for the congress, and for the nation. Should paul ryan received the nomination of the conference i would be excited to vote for him as our next bigger on the house floor. Until then, i will continue to support dan webster. Host ben webster is still a declared candidate. Dan webster is still the declared candidate. Guest he may be the only one. Host Jason Chaffetz out. What you make about the conditions laid out by paul ryan . Guest interesting to give a speech saying i want your vote but only if you do want do certain things. Paul ryan is a great person with universally respect throughout the conference. He is coming into this not certain he wants to jobs. His focus is on his family, one of the reason so many people respect him. He understands there is a sin this is a time when the country needs him and he has such a moral character that he is willing to consider that pull. I do not know if the caucus gets there on friday. He was pretty clear, he said these are the things i will not do, these are the things i need you to do and you have until friday to let me know. It was a fascinating dynamic, a lot of people support him and a lot of people who want to support him. If he can bring together the coalitions by friday, those who support him and those who want to support him, he may be the next speaker of the house. I entered is my colleagues to Daniel Webster, if former speaker of the house in florida and a conservative who has been endorsed by the Freedom Caucus but not a member. He worked with a democratic governor to get things done. For me, the only test of leadership in our next speaker is who will commit to governing. Aset why do not have multitransportation bill and why do we get to september 30 with no longterm budget and facing Critical Issues like these that we refuse to deal with. The American People are not upset we have done border andrity and immigration they do not like what is in it, they are upset they we have not. Ried that we have not tried i want some of the committed to governing and that is why i support Daniel Webster. I believe all right would bring the same conviction. Host comedy votes does Daniel Webster have how many votes does Daniel Webster have . Probably would have gone to 60 or 70 on the first ballot, there is a caucus that had endorsed him and i understand universally. That would have been about 40. We picked up 20 elsewhere. It would have been a strong number four dan on the first ballot. Guest the drudge report had a banner earlier, not anymore, king ryan, about his condition that he is coming to them. What you make of him saying, if you agree to change the rules, that allow a motion to vacate the chair . Guest i do not know if it is just that motion, several rules changes he wants people to agree to. Several conditions upon which he does not want to entertain other suggestions from others in the party. He said something last night with, vehemently disagree he said he does not believe it would be appropriate to do a comprehensive a Border Security and immigration bill before next november while we have a president that in his words believe we can trust as a negotiating partner on Immigration Reform. I respect that involve in all paul. That was a concern of mine. He laid out, here are the things i want to do and i will not agree to and i will not do. You decided you can accept them. An interesting dynamic. Some have trouble with the notion that he was to eliminate or change the motion to vacate the chair. He will do this on his own terms and i do not blame him. He never seek sought out this job, people encourage tend to lead. I understand why he wants to put conditions on it and it and it respectful. Host immigration divide people over paul ryan because they say he was a part of a people that wants to get a consensus. Are you for a pathway to citizenship . Guest no, and here is why. We have people on certain pieces that have contributed to the culture and the foundation of communities across the country for decades. They do not have a pathway to citizenship. Any Broad Spectrum of 11 Million People here without documentation i will tell you that there are some who have egregiously broken the law and intended to violate the law and some who have been given removal orders and they should be responsibly removed. And instructed on how to come to the country legally. There are those within the 11 million who came here with no , asve bullish and, ability a sixmonthold perhaps, that is a different situation, should there be a pathway to legal status, probably so. Like or not Immigration Reform. S we have to deal with it i understand the political consequence, an issue that deeply divides the country but i would rather serve in congress and tackle heart issues and risk my own political future knowing we did something. To do nothing between now and next november for the sake of our own political fortune is the wrong spirit to suggest we will do nothing to get reelected, i would rather put it on the house floor and deliver a product to the American People. I think it would be a fairly conservative bill. Guest are you for raising the debt ceiling, a clean debt ceiling increase . Guest the most conservative principle is paying your debts, we do not have a choice to pay our debt, we have to pay it. I hope in the next couple of weeks we get concessions for longterm debt reduction. There is a proposal that would achieve 4 trillion in savings over the next 10 years in return 1. 5 trillion. By host what is the proposal . Guest there are instructions to report out bill the notion would be that we have to achieve 4 trillion in in at nine years in savings in return for increasing the debt limit today by 1. 5 trillion. It would be irresponsible not to pay the debt. When the president suggests the only thing he will sign is a clean debt ceiling, that he responsible. Thats irresponsible. If we do not tackle the longterm drivers of our debt we will ensure fiscal collapse. By ensuring we are no longer the worlds superpower. Host we are talking to david jolly, republican of florida, endorsing and supporting represented Daniel Webster from his home state for speaker. Also a candidate for senate, seeking to replace marco rubio who is running for president. Tucson, arizona, republican, chuck. Caller thank you for taking my call, i appreciate cspan. The question i have for the guest is, why is it that the conservatives are always the ones that are supposed to be demanded to compromise . No other the caucus because the Freedom Caucus any tea party but it is the other one, what they have to do any compromising at all . Guest there are several caucuses within the house and i think sometimes too many. We should be one united party. There is a lot of compromise from people who i call the governing caucus. Lets go back to the president s executive amnesty, i opposed each one of those, one of the 18 members in the house to introduce legislation. Them and weefund fought the fight, but we lost, harry reid would not pass them through the senate and the president would not sign them so we came to a critical vote earlier this year around march. Whether or not to keep the government open. We fought the fight and at the end of the day there were only about 80 or 90 of us that accepted the responsibility to govern and to keep the government open. That is a hard political vote for people like myself but understand it is the responsible vote, the governing vote. There is a lot of compromise going on already. I know what has happened within the Freedom Caucus. They have decided that this might be the hill they want to die on to extract the changes they are demanding. They have enough votes to topple the speaker and stop the operations of the house floor. They are running a risk by marginalizing their own caucus and forcing a Coalition Government that only empowers nancy pelosi. A most ironic thing that could come out of this is that the Freedom Caucus, who is so stringent in their demands, might empower the hand of nancy pelosi. I think this is a great time for our party. When people discuss the house in chaos and so forth, i disagree. This is the family moment we need to have as a party. We are one party, all conservatives in this caucus, the question is how do we govern as conservatives . We will solve that in the coming weeks. Host the wall street journal says paul ryan can lead but will enough republicans follow . The other problem behind his control is that some of the one the gop congress to fail because it meets their interest, the clearest example is ted cruz who campaign for the white house and his strategy to win the Iowa Caucuses is about attacking the gop congress, do you agree . Guest yes, we have a Cottage Industry down the street who pledge their allegiance to an ideological litmus test that can never be met and use it to divide our own party and raise money off it. These are the politics of division. Politics of division are on both sides of the aisle, we can accomplish conservative policy rebel results by governing. Not by shutting down the government but by governing. I would ask the people who continue to pursue this strategy of dividing us, shut everything down if they dont get their own way, point to one result, one legislative accomplishment they have achieved through that tactic. There is none. I would rather work to achieve conservative reforms actually through government. Lets pursue that for the next year and a half and we will have a very good november as republicans. The lasts spending in few years and also to sequestration, which many of them think should stay in place. We are in an environment where Spending Continues to come down on the discretionary side, the operations of government, reduced by about 1. 4 chilean dollars to 1. 46 trillion. In the last five years, that is a, schmidt. T how do we keep that going . Next is mandatory interest on the debt there that is the part that has not yet been resolved and that part we finally have to achieve consensus. Host denver beverly, democrat. Caller representative, i have listened to you say government, government. For the last seven years under this president and pre please do not cut me off. I thought when the american whether well let you or not, you are supposed to come together as one body, democrats and republicans, and Work Together with the president to help the country. The president won the presidency twice legitimately. Why should he always have to compromise with you guys . You all did not win. What i am saying to you is come together and work for the general public. We are paying your salaries. If you do not agree with the president , ok. But work with him. You all, all you have been doing for the last several years, and the records show, is saying no. Can one person, everything he asked you to do is know. How can that be possible . You all have worked with democratic president s. Host lets give him a chance. Guest beverly, i think you should run for speaker of the house. Were talking for the about the same thing. I want to be fair and point out a couple of things. The house passed 300 pieces of legislation and harry reid killed. He said no completely. The obstructionism is on both sides of the aisle. It truly is. The dishonesty and the manipulation is on both sides of the aisle. I call it out on my side of the aisle just like i do on the other side. But we are elected to govern. 90 of what we do in government and the United States congress should not be political. Were talking about basic operations of the government and we should be reaching consensus. We all have ideological convictions. You work as hard as you can to advance those. If we do nothing to reach consensus, then we have accomplished nothing. I agree with you and appreciate the phone call. , elected injolly march of 2013. Served thect, transportation subcommittee appropriations panel. Dam, republican, are you next . That not yet. I am not for paul ryan becoming speaker. His heart is not in it and he does not want the job. He is not our only choice. Have we thought of may the best speaker we have had in 50 years, bringing in Newt Gingrich . He has nothing to prove to anyone. Tough but fair. He knows how to compromise. Election, het might be our true answer of getting things accomplished. Host congressman . You point at something important. He does not have to be a member of congress. I will tell you in the room less night, anna i know you saw on tv as well, it is clear paul ryan does not want the job. This is a time where he is rising to the occasion on behalf of the American People to do what is right. It will be very significantly complex little turmoil, whether or not he really wants to take it on. If paul ryan is ultimately not we havenee come friday, a tough couple of weeks ahead of us. I do not think anyone in the caucus will get those votes. It might be a good thing. I continue to think we could have multiple ballots as long as it takes to get a consensus so when we come out of the closed doors, we know who the nominee no morehere are distractions. Paul ryan will know on friday. If not, i believe john boehner is here until thanksgiving. The irony in the effort to take down john boehner might result in him stay longer. And he wants more than 218 votes. Guest he is one person who might get the unanimous vote. I am not sure he will do that after last nights meeting. Conditions might be too tough. Applause, alot of lot of support, recognizing this is somebody who is a great set price to his family. He is willing to do the job. Conditions came off tough. The thing about coronation is he do not get to dynamic. To demand it. There is an interesting dynamic we will decide if we embrace paul. I continue to support dan but we have two great candidates in dan and paul. He did not take any questions. The speaker introduced paul, paul stood up and talked about how interesting the last days have been and talked about the most important things to him or his family, church, and tree stand. He consulted with each one of had come out of the tree stand with a speech he wanted to deliver yesterday. He diagnosed what he considered where the problems and what he expressed, we are at a point in history where we turn the tide back against the president s leftist agenda or we do not. He believes with conviction that the president s agenda has been wrong both in domestic and Foreign Policy. There is a sharp divide between the party today whose front runner to capture is a registered socialist and what all conservatives believe in. It is like paul has such conviction. They will gather in less than an hour. What is on the agenda for this meeting . Host we have debt limit and an aspiring transportation bill and a continuing resolution to keep reformernment a tax package. Six will be a tricky next weeks and with no disrespect to the president , he dug in his heels and said he would not negotiate. He understands he holds a lot of leverage. The president has the ability to blame us for shutting down the government. I believe that is irresponsible but that is the landscape. We will talk at 9 00 about how to navigate the next weeks. Carol, ohio, independent. Youre on the air. Caller i want to go back a little bit too when you talked about immigration. I heard you mentioned there are immigrants here already. I do not understand what you and second of all, the cap way that this plan is laying out has a lot of really only positive things for Illegal Immigrants to try and do. The money alone they would have to come up with for back taxes for whatever you guys call it is difficult for them to come up. What do you mean by immigrants that are here do not have a pathway. Guest we are a loving and caring nation made better by immigration and we should embrace Legal Immigration but were also a nation of laws. I understand challenges and hurdles. Years and much reparations, but these are individuals who did break the role break the law at one point and we have to responsibly address that. Tontroduced legislation reform and make more efficient our Legal Immigration process p we have a visa program right now where a family and a couple can move here, open up a business, and and employ at least to those people. Is a couple that runs a florist, a man who runs a french bakery, someone else as a restaurant and someone else has a commercial landscaping business. A five year be so they can continue to renew. They have kids here. When the kids hit 21, they have to go back to the home country they never lived in because they aged out. The moment they closed their doors, they are not allowed to stay here. They do not have a pathway to permanent resident. It is a condition of the recess. They hit a retirement age of 60 or 65 and then under our current law, they are forced to return home to a country they have not lived in and 35 years and they invested in the fabric of our community, and we suggest they have no pathway or legal status to remain in the United States. Why do i oppose a pathway to citizenship for those who broke the law illegally . The family in my district does not have a pathway. Someone who did it for decades legally. We cannot begin to consider creating a pathway to those who actually broke the law. On the houset this floor and legislate get back to a government that governs. I do not know what that looks like but we will be better off in the country for having addressed it and what were doing right now, not addressing it. If sticker ryan is the next speaker, there is no intent to dress it, i strongly disagree. We go to douglas, a democrat. Caller jolly is my representative. The promise you made about charlie today, that is the problem with the republicans. You do not know how to talk nice or be diplomatic. You dont know how to be gracious even in defeat. Those comments were outrageous what you said about him. He is a fellow floridian by the way. All he has ever done is hug the president. I am tired of this issue nonsense as well. There is a president in office, you never hear being are down when democrats actually running things feared it is always about republicans and then you try to trick twisted around twisted it around. Twist it around. You conservatives talk about spending, just like in florida. This whole redistricting thing has cost a lot of money dollars already for these guys in the state of florida to do something they should have done in the first place. He spend money on nonsense. Seven committees already about benghazi. Now you have got four committees with the clintons emails. The planned parenthood nonsense, and everyone knows those were fictitious videos. And you hold votes that you know are going nowhere. 50 times, you want to talk about obama care and while you are not getting anything done with infrastructure, not doing anything about the unemployed, not doing anything that matters. Host a lot on the table for the congressman to respond. Guest thank you for calling to we should do a multiyear infrastructure bill that should be fully paid for. I have been asking for that. You mentioned having four committees investing planned parenthood. I think that is too many. I disagreed very seriously with what i saw on the planned parenthood video. It shocked my conscience. I was the only republican to vote against the special committee on planned parenthood because we already have three doing the job and we should narrow it to one and not add a fourth be are i agree with you on that as well. Here is why i voted to authorize the Benghazi Committee. I was leaning no but then we found out going into the vote that the administration had provided more information to the freedom of information act request to an outside group than they had provided to congress. That level of obstruction from the white house is why i voted to support the Benghazi Committee. I do not apologize about my comments about charlie. That reflects the frustration across the state. Bill youngsd into office when i was there and suggested he designed and retire because he was looking for another office to look for. When bill young refused to do that, he took on bob. He is only looking to run for his political future. I will do everything i can to make sure he is not the member of congress. Headline at tampa bay. Comss website, david jolly crashes the campaign kickoff. Charlie was a republican turned democrat saying he will now seek the congressional seat, saying he ran for governor. I want to let our viewers know we will cover the testimonies of Hillary Clinton tomorrow at 10 00 a. M. Eastern time. In therepected to be for hours starting at tech talk a. M. Eastern time. Elaine, clearwater, florida, again. I have a couple of questions to ask you. This is not a question. If obama thinks ryan will be great, then we are in trouble. Anything obama thinks is great is dangerous. Second, in the paper in tampa bay times, there was an article that you are looking into the housing problem and i live in and i understand just what youre looking for because i have seen it happening right here. That is really all i have to say. Let me know how youre doing on this thing. Thank you for bringing that up. A special general identify taxpayers pay 24 million this coming year to provide housing for families over those specials. In new york made half a Million Dollars this last year in supportive housing. A single individual in nebraska 1. 6 million in assets is playing 300 million in rent while we have upwards of 100,000 people on the waiting list. But i demanded is we identify a. Ay to identify these understand im not looking to disrupt families by locking the doors tomorrow, but we should plan in placeible to transition out families so we could create additional capacity for those who truly need it. It seems like a simple issue. Why waste 100 million on taxpayer supported housing for families who do not need it. It is like pushing a noodle to do what should be the easy stuff. Continue to stay on it is because there is no gray area. Houses forproviding families who can provide it themselves. A simple solution. Host victor, a democrat. Caller how are you doing . I have got a question and a comment. By changing the route to vacate the chair . And i hope and pray that congress get some sense and time. A clean bill this the way things have been going is utterly ridiculous and it is on both houses. The house operates under a series of rules bringing up legislation. There are a handful of privileged leisure resolutions were actions. Any member of congress can demand a vote. You can demanded anytime. Isotion to vacate the chair to suggest that we are going to remove the speaker from his position. Meaning any member of congress at any time, i could walk over today and demand sometime in the next 48 hours under the rules, that we take a vote on removing the speaker and it only requires 51 . Paul ryan a concern that when we have a Certain Group that votes on a block of 40 people, at any given moment, they could tackle the speaker ship and that is what they threatened to do to john boehner over the summer. That is the motion to vacate. Conservative vision to pay our bills. We will make sure we ultimately address the issue but i would hope in the next couple of weeks, we use the opportunity to address the longterm debt issues and the longterm drivers of our debt that responsibly address how we got here. Otherwise we are looking the other way and moving on. Paul ryan says he wants to cap privilege altogether . Weaponize was is worth it do not know exactly what he meant. I do not know exactly what he meant by it. He said he would want the caucus to remove that leverage. Cool changes, is that on an agenda coming up . Guest one of my internal rule changes is lets make sure we justthe votes in the were putting ourselves in a vulnerable situation otherwise. Work 40congress should hours a week when we are in session. Lets go on session monday morning at 9 00 a. M. And leave. Riday at 6 00 p. M. The agenda is said and we get little done. How do we address immigration voters, should security, transportation. Today . Re we on the we are completely silent on all of this. Charleston, West Virginia, mark, independent caller. Caller thanks for taking my call. A concern about paul ryan being speaker of the house. People say things publicly, what they feel in their heart might be something completely different. Thatryan publicly stated in most influential factor his political thinking is the writings of i in rent. Is not ancient history. He said this just a few years ago. A lot of people do not realize ayn rand was an aristocrat whose family was ousted from issia and her basic thinking , and she is publicly said this, first of all, she is an atheist. Second of all, she publicly stated that the rich are rich because somehow they are and theyly superior deserve to be rich and the poor are poor because they are not as involved. Question forhave a the congressman . Guest how can you even think about making this man, maybe two degrees short of a nazi, if he means what he says, that those are the most influential things in his political thinking, the writings of ayn rand, how can you even about electing him guest i cannot speak for paul ryans comment. Ryan is an intellectual conservative committed to governing and empowering every individual from every walk of their owneate potential and own success. He believes in very conservative principles, as i do and our party does. With a party whose current president ial frontrunner in New Hampshire is a registered socialist. Have two very different views of how to invest in the power of every human being in the country and how to provide for the future of our country the fabric of our communities. We have very different political philosophies. Paul ryan it, as i do, believes the conservative principles of Less Government and less taxes and more individual freedom are right for the future of the country. Is running forly the senate seat vacated by his republican colleagues marco rubio. He is not in it alone. Have a primary sharon challenge with a representative from the state passes north east coast and two democrats running as well. Representative alan grayson who would challenge Patrick Murphy in the democratic primary. Republican, florida, high. Good morning to you. You are on the air. Caller yes. I could be better. Reformsbout entitlement and when you say entitlement to me, it is like you are giving something away. Is all of those people work for Social Security. We paid those moneys in decades and decades ago. You are making it look like it is some kind of a handout. Rather than what we are getting back, the loans, the bad loans that we made to various administrations that mismanaged these moneys. That butterfield himself, nixons eight, said all the bombing in vietnam was a mistake. So vietnam is a mistake. All the sudden it occurs in the a mistake. T iraq is perhaps even afghanistan was a mistake. We are paying for all of these mistakes. Getting say we are money for nothing that i was working when all the stuff started. We are getting money for nothing off of the government and the rich guys, why dont you just raise the rate . I agree with you entitlement is a term that is a misnomer. Washington and i should use it less spirit you are exactly right. Less. You are exactly right. The Supreme Court has ruled in the past at the Supreme Court is not have a property right in Social Security. I disagree and i believe it is a property right. Very few of the republicans who continue to vote out because i disagreed with some of the regressive reforms to spending way comes to medicare and Social Security. It would disrupt financial plans of may people like yourself. I think we could embrace many of the reforms we know that will be needed but do it for a younger age and a Younger Generation for those who have not yet enter the workforce that will be able to nile it will be there for them. My struggle with the current , republicanstion come home and say we voted for bouncing the budget. It is though we stopped short and left the field of the eighth inning and declared victory. If we do not get over the finish line and reach a consensus with the white house, we have done nothing to adjust it. Social we can protect security and medicare for people in the workforce and achieve longterm reforms. Host folks in florida are watching this morning. We will get one more, susan, an independent. Caller thank you for taking my call. A comment and suggestion. I thought it was interesting when paul ryan was setting his agenda on what he would and want t do, that he wanted to spend more time with his family. It is nice but the rest of us are ministry do not have the luxury to even bring it up to any employer. Agree withthing, i the gentleman ahead of me about Social Security. If you folks are really interested in keeping Social Security and medicare solvent, this should be made dedicated funds so none of you can get your hands on it to reappropriate the money for something else. I fully agree with you and youre are exactly right. As i list up to me any line for age rank and he said, please do not let congress takeaway my Social Security and medicare and i said, not on my watch, i will not let it happen. It is a hard vote as a republican to be in the house voting against her own party. Olicies benefit to bet there. I am never going to do anything that reduces the right to the benefit that people have paid. Host what has webster told you and other supporters about his resolution . His political story, it looks like a crisis averted but continuing resolution creates wasteful netherland of a deadline coming up on this. Guest conservatives lose and we ultimately drive up the longterm costs of governing. Forurt private sector jobs those who provide Critical Technology and equipment. Heres why i supported dan webster early. Ng all the candidates rewind about six weeks ago there were 10 or 12 people running for different offices. There were only two people who articulated an actual plan to avoid ever getting into a cr situation. Dan webster and dennis ross. Webster has a vision of negotiating Appropriations Bills in july. Taking all leverage from the white house to be able to suggest republicans are shutting down the government. If we actually get back to governing in a timely fashion, we our work done by summer, will forever take off this table this notion of a Government Shutdown in a cr. When dan articulated that, he had my support. I said this about paul ryan. We are never going to agree on anything. This is a leadership test. Dan webster has articulated a vision of leadership that i believe is right for our conference. Host thank you for being here. Next, we will talk to another senate candidate. We will talk with representative Chris Van Hollen who is seeking the senate seat in maryland. Hes on the Budget Committee as well. We will talk about spending battles coming up. And then we will turn our attention to the select committee on benghazi. We will talk with Investigative Reporter Sharyl Attkisson. We will talk about what happened on september 11, 2012. Cspan presents landmark cases. The book. A guide to our landmark cases series which explores 12 historic Supreme Court decisions. Including marbury versus madison. Korematsu versus United States. Brown versus the board of education. Miranda versus arizona. Andrew versus wade. The book features backgrounds, highlights, and the impact of each case. Published by cspan in cooperation with cq press. Available for is 8. 95 plus shipping. This sunday night on cue and day. New York Times National political reporter amy chosen shares her experiences from Hillary Clintons president ial campaign and compares with like now to back in 2008. I was a lot younger. I wasnt in a senior role. When you are traveling all the time, i got to know the people that traveled with her. I felt like i got to know her pretty well because she would come back in the plane and talk to us. But at the same time i didnt have sources in the campaign and the highlevel people i have now. Whether that is the function of the times or just being in a more senior role. Sunday night at 8 00 on cspans q a. Washington journal continues. Host representative Chris Van Hollen is back in our table this morning. The top democrat on the Budget Committee. Lets begin with your shots on with your thoughts on paul ryan. What do you make of what he had to say last night . Guest this probably wont surprise you, but im not going to get into the middle of the republican decision over their nominee for speaker. What i can say is that whoever becomes speaker needs to work with democrats. We need to Work Together to tackle a lot of these huge challenges weve got coming up. We avoid a Government Shutdown in middecember. Weve got a deal with our innsportation investments our country. We have decaying infrastructure. We have a huge plate of important issues for the country. Are seeing the Benghazi Committee hearing tomorrow, which republicans have admitted is just a political effort against secretary clinton. So lets get on with the business of the country and stop the political games. Host do you think paul ryan would reach across the aisle . Guest the jury is still out. In order to be successful, he going to have to work with democrats. Is goingecomes speaker to have to Work Together to deal with these big issues we are confronting. I heard about paul ryan last night saying to members of his caucus that if he is going to do they are going to have to give him some flexibility. Some room to make difficult decisions. I dont know if they will give that to him. And i dont know if he will exercise it. The jury is still out. What i know about the ryan budget is that its not good. For the country. Its not a governing document. It in fact would lead to huge disinvestment in areas like education of Scientific Research and turned medicare into a voucher plan. So if you are looking at whether the ryan budget is the kind of document that brings people together, absolutely not. Its a very ideologically edged document that would be bad for the country. Host one pathway to avoid Government Shutdowns now is a possible twoyear budget deal. Heres politicos headline. Whats happening . Guest this is worrisome. Whether ourar republican colleagues are really willing to make the kind of investments that we need to make in education, infrastructure, and defense readiness. The democrats have been clear. And in the budget i put forward, we were very clear that we need to increase our investment in these vital areas to help the economy grow. We need to deal with military readiness. And we need to do both together. You got republicans in two camps. One camp says they want to keep on these very tight caps that are in fact hurting Economic Growth right now according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. Why we would want to hurt Economic Growth is beyond me. Others say they are willing to increase our defense spending, but they dont recognize that its equally important or in many cases more important to continue these investments in education, Scientific Research, job training, infrastructure. So im hoping we can come together. I was part of the twoyear agreement. The socalled marie ryan ryanment murray agreement. We can do Something Like that, we would at least avoid a Government Shutdown. Host politico reports republicans are demanding changes to entitlement programs. Democrats want to boost domestic spending without painful cuts. Is that dealing with the looming budget problems of this country if you reject entitlement reform . Guest we are not going to cut medicare benefits. We are not going to cut Social Security benefits. These are benefits that people have earned over their lifetime and we are not going to cut them. We have always said we are open to reforms that helped change the system, move into a system that provides quality of care. And theet i put forward president s budget says we should negotiate with the drug companies. We are seeing all these outrageous prices for certain kinds of drugs. The reality is we could save medicare a whole lot of money if we allow the government to negotiate prices. Theres over 130 billion. Those are some common sense things we could do. We are not going to allow republicans to cut benefits for people who need them and rely on them for their medical security or Retirement Security. Host eric in georgia. A democrat. You are up first. Welcome to the conversation guest . Caller inc. You. Please dont cu thank you. Please dont cut me off. To explain some basics of economics starting with the reserve currency. Explain how there is more demand for the u. S. Dollar than all other currencies combined. People think the dollar is going to crash but there is more demand because we have a reserve currency. Also i would like the representative i dont know if he has seen this documentary. Its called all wars are bankers wars. Its on youtube. You will see how the money interests are funding both sides of all the wars. And if you could talk about how we have already reduced the deficit to a third of what it was. And how if you reduce the fast, itoo actually hurts jobs. If you could explain to the American Public some of the things you think they are misunderstanding about this looming budget crisis. We dont have a looming budget crisis. Where the richest country in the world by far. Reserve currency. Investors all over the world prefer American Government bonds than any other country in the world. We are in a very strong position but the media has us thinking we are about to crash. Guest well thank you. And you are right. If you look around the world today, the American Economy is strong. We are the anchor of the worlds economy. Chinas Economic Growth is slowing. We know the money of our european partner countries is slowing. And so the United States economy needs to keep moving and you are absolutely right. If you try to reduce the deficit quickly by cutting investments in vital areas, you not only deny the benefits of investments like modernizing infrastructure or improving education or investing in Important Research that can lead to cures and treatments for diseases, but you also slow down the economy. Its not just you and i who are saying that. The Congressional Budget Office has said that if you keep on these very tight counterproductive caps, that you will slow down Economic Growth in the coming years. So thats very counterproductive. The dollar is strong. Its partly a reflection of the fact that compared to the whole world, our economy is strong. While we see continued job growth, the big challenge in my view is getting wages and benefits up. Because people are working harder than ever. But they feel like they are on a treadmill because their wages and benefits have remained flat. There are lots of things we can and should be doing to address those things. I put forward an economic plan that would help change that dynamic. But we really do need to focus on that. When it comes to foreign wars, theres no doubt there are way too many arms dealers around the world that are trying to benefit in terms of making profits off of arms sales that lead to simply fueling even more some of the conflicts we see. Host carl is next in West Virginia. A republican. Caller good morning. I lived in your state for 27 years and it got to the point where you text me out of the state. You taxed me out of the state. I couldnt retire on nothing. I had to move to West Virginia and theres a lot of people out there that had to do the same. You democrats never talk about this. We are almost 19 trillion in debt. And hundreds of trillions and dollars in unfunded liabilities. You never mention unfunded liabilities. Whos going to pay for that . Wheres that money going to come from . Guest thank you for the call. Theres no doubt that we have to address our longterm projected deficit situation. And we need to do that through a combination of things. Number one, we need to increase our overall Economic Growth. And that means making the right investments in the economy. That means modernizing infrastructure. Making sure we have a workforce with the skills necessary for the 21st century. We also need to look at a couple other things. The Medicare Program should not be paying pharmaceutical companies these huge prices when we can be negotiating prices. Thats one way to help bring down the deficit. Closing some of the incredible outrageous tax breaks in the tax code would also help reduce our deficit. Thats why i helped lead the fight to try to close whats called the Hedge Fund Manager loophole. Theres no reason Hedge Fund Managers on wall street should be getting a lower tax rate than people who are working hard every day to earn a living. That makes no sense at all. Of theld close down some tax breaks that incentivize American Companies to move overseas. Breaks sohose tax they can invest more of that money here at home. There are lots of things we can do that boost Economic Growth at home and reduce our longterm deficits. Host joe in illinois. On the independent line. You are on the air. Lets talk about jobs. Im a vietnam veteran. You guys cast this ptt. I dont really know what the heck it is. If you outsource jobs guys between 40 and 60, as soon as they lose their job, you have destroyed those peoples lives. Literally destroyed because they cant get a job anymore. Theyre going to have to get jobs that pay little or nothing and work three of them. In my area alone, ive got people working three jobs. And they just cant make it. Host lets get the congressmans position on the Transpacific Partnership. Two things. Mentioned that we need to close down some of these outrageous tax breaks that actually create incentives for American Companies to move overseas. That makes no sense at all. Its counterproductive. I put forward legislation to close that so we can invest that money here at home. My view in the tpp, looking at the particulars of this agreement is that it is not good for the country. Its not good for american jobs. Its not good for wages for american workers. So i will oppose it just like i opposed the fasttrack of tpp. On these agreements, youve got to look at them on their own merits. Is a good for american jobs . Is it going to actually create more jobs . If we can export more American Goods as opposed to jobs that help support jobs here at home. But because we dont deal with issues like currency manipulation in the tpp, i really worry that the net effect of this agreement will be reducing american jobs and having downward pressure on american wages. Thats why i opposed to it. Host we are talking with Chris Van Hollen. He represents marylands eighth district. Serving in his seventh term. Running for the seat being vacated by democratic senator barbara mikulski. We spoke with representative Donna Edwards last week on the program in case you are interested. James in tennessee. A democrat. Good morning. Caller good morning. Senator van hollen, i am also a vietnam veteran. 1971 undernam in general colin powell. How ive to know had federal papers all my life. Any never seen socialism on application or anything. How can the previous man sit there jolly and say that this man is a registered socialist . How do you register in america to be a socialist and not be called out about it . Of you democrats sitting on your hands and not checking these republicans on every little thing they say. They could get up there and say everything and then you guys sit back and just let them say it. Let them say it. I am so tired of you democrat sitting on your hands doing nothing, not speaking up. Thats so annoying. At 66 years old, i have fought for the right for every american. Not just some. Annoyingneit, its so when they can say what they want to and yall dont call them on it. Why do these people keep referring to Barney Miller is a socialist . Please ask play that to me. Thank you. Please explain that to me. Thank you. Guest well first of all, thank you for your service. One of the things i hope democrats and republicans agree on is that we owed the men and women who have served our country a huge debt of gratitude and we need to provide them with all of the support here at home that we can possibly offer. And thats why the budget i put forward has robust funding for veterans programs. I willssure you that continue to speak out whenever i hear outrageous claims by republican colleagues. And i will agree they come frequently. I focused a lot of my effort on pushing back on the republican which was for many years advanced by paul ryan. Which in my view would be very destructive to our economy and ladderake away the of opportunity that we need for people in this country. The benghazi hearings are nothing more than a political witch hunt against Hillary Clinton. I will assure you that i will continue to be vigilant. Im not quite sure exactly what remarks you are referring to. Maybe the previous guest on this panel said something i did not hear. But when i do hear things that are wrong, i do my best to speak out. Host you are part of the ryanm urray budget. What from that could work now . Guest the overall idea was that you look for areas where you can reduce expenditures or even look at ways that you can increase the revenue flow in some areas in order to increase our investments in higher priority. Areas. At nih,n, research other things. So that would be a model. And you raised earlier the issue to goublican efforts after medicare and Social Security. We will not. The democrats will not cut benefits to medicare and Social Security in order to make the twoyear agreement happen. There are lots of other things you can look at it a lot of these outrageous tax breaks. Reason that Hedge Fund Managers should be getting the special tax rates. There is no reason that we should not close this loophole that is causing some American Companies to change their Mailing Address overseas in order to avoid their obligations to the United States socalled inversions. Which is just a fancy name for corporations changing their Mailing Address for tax havens to avoid their responsibilities to the american taxpayer. Host the 2013 budget deal avoided sequestration from 2011. Are we headed for those acrosstheboard spending cuts now that the budget has expired . Guest it has expired. Which is why the democrats have been asking republicans to come to the table for months now. Starting last summer. I heard mr. Jolly on earlier saying that we can start these negotiations earlier. We should. We tried. Our view was you dont wait until you are on the precipice of a shutdown to talk. You try and talk to avoid that damaged. So we put that forward. Legislation called the prevent Government Shutdown act which essentially cut calls upon which essentially calls upon the speaker to appoint negotiators to come together to do exactly what we are talking about now which is avoid the , and it also has a failsafe mechanism. Its as if nobody can agree, then come middecember, instead of a Government Shutdown, we will fund the government at investment levels necessary to do what we need to do to grow the economy. So i would hope that could come to a vote. So far the speaker has not scheduled the vote. They are still looking for another speaker. A lot of people look at this as political intrigue, but this chaos within the Republican Caucus is already creating the kind of uncertainty that is damaging the country. So i hope they get to it. Host another deadline is raising the debt ceiling by november 3. Republicans are saying in exchange for raising the debt ceiling, they want to see of 4. 8s agree to cuts trillion over the next nine years. Clear, weveo be had this discussion for enough years that people recognize that anying your debts is obligation of the federal government. Its not something you do on conditions. You dont say, i took out that mortgage on my house, but by the way, im not going to pay you back unless you do xyz. We have to be true to the full faith and credit of the United States. Put our economy at risk. If you want to see the economy collapse quickly, you Start Playing around with the debt ceiling. We should increase the debt ceiling because we should pay the debts that are already due. And then we should have conversations about keeping the government open. The New York Times is reporting that with time running out, the house will vote today. Is aefault prevention act variation on their past proposals to give priority to certain obligations that can be covered by incoming tax receipts if the debt limit is breached. In this case, creditors and the nations most politically popular program, Social Security. Harry is in frederick maryland. Go ahead. Caller good morning. Because i am in the congressmans district and i feel like over the last five or six years, my vote has been silenced due to the gerrymandering andriy district that was done and the redistricting that was done in frederick county. The gerrymandering has allowed my vote to be silenced because it gets lumped in with all the latino votes in montgomery county. Which is where the congressman has his base. Thats very unamerican. That needs to stop. And i am very against that. In regards to the deficit, the congressman has very good ideas. I actually respect some of the things he says. But the truth is were broke. We have a sluggish economy. Wages are depressed. Jobs are more parttime than fulltime. And we have a rampant ilLegal Immigration problem. The congressman has never answered a legitimate question. How many is too many . 30 million . 50 million . 80 million . We are broke as a country. You need to stop looking at the old ways and fess up and wenowledge that in congress, have a collectively what, 9000 years worth of experience with you people . And look what youve done. Youve destroyed the country. Guest thank you for the call. Cosponsorll, i am the of a piece of legislation here in congress that would call for absolutely nonpartisan congressional reapportionment. Every 10 years, those congressional lines are redrawn. My view is on a national basis, they should be done on a nonpartisan basis. As if you put on a blindfold and draw the lines. And if we do that as a country, i think we would all be better off. And that would be done in a way that is fair politically to the people of this country and balance the various interests. With respect to the economy, the good news is that jobs have been growing over time. I remember when president obama was first sworn in. As he put his hand on the bible, we were losing 700,000 jobs in this country every month. We have come back from that. I could not agree with you more that we need to deal with the issue of flat wages and flat benefits. I have put forward a number of proposals to do that, including getting rid of some of these tax breaks to encourage companies to go overseas and encourage them to invest that money here at home. And finally when it comes to thegration reform, i am for bipartisan Immigration Reform bill that passed the senate. A couple years ago. It wasnt perfect. I wouldnt have written it that way myself. But that would have addressed a lot of the issues. And i should point out that the Congressional Budget Office is nonpartisan and has made it clear that if we pass that Immigration Reform bill, we would actually increase Economic Growth. He would have more people coming out of the shadows. You would increase Economic Growth and shore up the solvency of Social Security because you would have more people paying into the system. Which is obviously good for the entire Retirement Security of the country. Economic and other important reasons, i support that Immigration Reform bill. And i believe we all should support that effort. Host karen is a republican in oklahoma city. Caller good morning mr. Van halen. I was just wondering when you talk about entitlement, you always talk about old people. You talk about medicare and Social Security. Why dont you ever talk about section eight, food stamps . Why do people keep having five or six or seven kids they know they cant pay for . After two kids, you know your situation is not any better. They need to enforce the section eight rules better. Pay for a mother and her kids to live there, not some gang banger in baltimore to have somewhere to lay up all day and then do crime all night. And why do we even need food stamps anymore . Kids eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner at school. Why do we need food stamps . If they say their kids are going to be hungry if they dont get them, somebody needs to go to jail because they are not treating their kids with them. The reality is that in this economy, many people are falling through the cracks through no fault of their own. People look for work and are not able to find it. Because of low wages, people are scrambling between two or three jobs just to make ends meet. So people around the country all want to do the right thing. We need to make sure that as they do that, they have basic support that we all know are necessary to have some kind of family security. Certainly food and nutrition programs are essential to that effort. We have programs for kids in school and that is important. But we also need to make sure that seniors and others around the country are able to have food to support themselves and their family. The food and nutrition programs are very important. Its important to provide affordable housing. You mentioned medicaid. That most of out the spending in medicaid goes to help seniors in Nursing Homes and people with disabilities. So these are important safety net programs because in this country, we believe in Human Dignity and decency. We need to continue to grow our economy and provide more opportunity, and also need to provide some basic set of decent standards. And in fact even with what we have in place, you have about 40 million americans living in poverty. So we need to address that on all fronts. Host john is here in washington, d. C. On the line for democrats. Caller good morning. Actually im from paris, france. Where i lived for 40 years. So many things that you have said are interesting to me. But the thing that i can see most or best is u. S. Investment overseas. Because i have worked for the American Chamber of commerce in france and i see the positive happen not just in france before the u. S. In terms of having u. S. Investment overseas. This includes things like a ,ocacola plant in dunkirk which makes all the drinks for the west of europe, and the only thing that comes from the u. S. Is the intellectual property or the recipe if you want to call it that for the cocacola and the other drinks. But you are not going to make all these cans of soda in atlanta, georgia. You have to make them closer to where they are going to be used. I see this as well in the Company Called General Electric which has just bought a big Power Company in france. And they im sure will have jobs coming over. Not taking away, but coming over from the u. S. Because of this investment in france. So there is a confusion in terms of people seeing oh, a company is investing overseas, so that means jobs go overseas. The jobs are also at home. And i have seen that clearly. Host im going to have the congressman respond. What i was referring to relate to the part of the u. S. Tax code that i think has these perverse provisions that actually encourage companies to sometimes move their jobs and capital overseas. Theres no reason we should have a tax code that incentivizes that behavior. So thats actually a better return on your dollar than investment here at home as a result of something in the tax code. That exportsubt from the United States into foreign markets help grow jobs here at home. When is no doubt that American Companies here in the United States are able to grow their operations overseas, if that helps support jobs and wages here at home thats a benefit. We just are having a big fight over the xm bank. Because many of us believe it is important in this day and age that we provide support for american exports. Because american exports overseas to support american jobs right here at home. So theres no doubt that we need to export our manufacturing goods. We need to export our services. We need to do that to support jobs here at home. Tax codeont need is a that actually creates incentive for a company to take a job from the United States overseas. Host michael is in North Carolina on the independent line. Go ahead. Caller good morning. Im also a veteran. I served 20 years in the military. I think one of our biggest problems is we have to get rid of this use it or lose it program. My whole years, if you had money left over on october 1, they would go in and take that money plus 10 . Up it has been going on until the present. I think we need to get rid of that type of behavior because you are causing people to go out and waste money. Inr problem we have the military, all these trucks and buses move people around and we only have seven people or nine people on a bus. If you consolidate and put them all on one bus, it would save a lot of money. Host pentagon spending. Congressman . Guest the color is making the caller is making a good point with regard to spending. We want to make sure every taxpayer dollar is used wisely and we should all be upset when there are inefficiencies in the system. This is another reason why we have to get away from this keeping the government open three months at a time. We need to provide some certainty to Government Agencies so they know what funds are available at the beginning of the year. Because if you are a federal agency and you have no idea how much of your funding youre itng to have for the year, does create these unfortunate incentives. And it provides for that kind of uncertainty that leads to inefficiency. So all the more reason why we here in Congress Need to get on right away with preventing these Government Shutdowns and providing stability. And we should all be on the lookout for ways to save money and gain more efficiency. Host you have endorsed Hillary Clinton for president. What do you think about rumors that Vice President joe biden is thinking about running . Should he . Guest thats a decision for the Vice President to make. I have huge affection and admiration for the Vice President. Its my view that we should have lots of views, lots of perspectives in this race. My former governor from maryland, Martin Omalley come is another terrific candidate. Bernie sanders is a great candidate. I was really proud of the democratic debate. Because it really did focus on issues important to the future of our country. And in my view, that debate is strengthened when you have more voices. Counterpointgreat to the republican debates that were much more about division and rhetoric than addressing substantive issues. Host why not endorse Martin Omalley . Guest i have huge respect for him. I think he did a great job as governor. When i look at Hillary Clintons record both on domestic issues and Foreign Policy and i look at her history of work on issues that are important to families across the United States, i think she is the best candidate and would be a great president. Host we will go to one of the early states. Thats iowa. Randy, a democrat. Caller i dont envy you, chris. And i respect you, and i see the choreography that goes on in washington. Theres a problem in the Democratic Party and some of the earlier callers have voiced this. And i think this goes back to the is it the Democratic Leadership Council . If icame to town understand correctly with bill and Hillary Clinton in the Democratic Party. So, their willingness in my point of view, would be that a democrat or republican needs to be viewed as a free trader. Risksu a free trader that the livelihoods and futures of americans to promote taxfree corporations or corporate inversions . And im going to touch one more point. Host we are running out of time with the congressman. I will have him respond to your question. Guest im the author of legislation to shut down these tax inversion schemes. Earlier, theseid Companies Get a bunch of fancy lawyers and are able to move their Mailing Address to a tax haven to escape their responsibilities here. Leading one of the cosponsors of legislation to shut down on the Hedge Fund Managers tax loopholes. We need to get at the special interest tax breaks for so many in this country who are already doing really well. We need to make sure that we inest those funds instead educating our kids, investing in our economy, investing in areas that will help boost wages, and reducing our longterm deficits. Code need to get a tax that right now is tilted in favor of those who make money and reoriented it so it is a tax code that works for people who are earning money off of hard work. Thats a fundamental issue we need to get at. I have an economic plan to address that and i look forward to talking about it in the upcoming debates and campaigns. Host bruce in chicago is a republican. Have two just statements. I listened to all the complaints and rhetoric about how bad the tax code is. And the one thing that dawns on me is, who created the tax code . You and everyone else in congress. And then we have a kabuki theater where this is no good, thats no good, i shouldnt have this, we are worried about wall street. You are the folks that created the rules that allow this to happen. And i would just like to know what you think is enough debt for this country to carry . Is it 36 trillion . Is it 100 trillion . Guest let me just say with respect to the tax code. That thereall know are a lot of these provisions in the tax code that have been there for a very long time, long before i was elected to congress. Try to fix now is to it, because right now this tax code has many provisions in it that do not benefit the Public Policy that helps the American People, but benefits certain special interest. A tax, we have break for corporate jacks. We have a tax break for Hedge Fund Managers. Some people put in tax breaks for thoroughbred horses. That should not be there. Im going to work every day to try to clean that up. We have a lot of special interests pushing the other way. With respect to longterm deficits, my priority is to grow the economy and put more people a primary way to address longterm deficits. That have also recognized there are other things we should do. I think we should be negotiating drug prices as part of the Medicare Program. Think we should be closing down some of these tax breaks for the purpose of reducing the deficit. Lets focus on getting our economy up and running. Lets focus on increasing wages for working people throughout the country. Host congressman Chris Van Hollen. Thank you for talking to our viewers. Up next, we will talk with author and Investigative Reporter Sharyl Attkisson. She is the host of full measure. She will be here to talk about what happened in benghazi and the investigations that have led to this weeks testimony of Hillary Clinton the select Benghazi Committee. Right after this short break. A signature feature of booktv is our allday coverage of book fairs and festivals from across the country. With top nonfiction authors. Heres our schedule beginning this weekend. We are live in the nations heartland for the wisconsin book festival in madison. And at the end of the month, we will be in nashville for the southern festival of books. At the start of november, we are back in the east coast for the boston book festival. In the middle of the month, its the louisiana book festival in baton rouge. And at the end of november, we are alive for the 18th year in a row from florida for the Miami Book Fair international. And the National Book awards from new york city. Just some of the fairs and festivals this fall on cspan2s booktv. Cspan has your coverage of the road to the white house 2016. Youll find the candidates, the speeches, the debates, and most importantly, your questions. This year, we are taking our road to the white house coverage into classrooms across the country with our student camp contest. Giving students the opportunity to discuss what important issues they want to hear the most from the candidates. Follow cspans student cam contest on tv, on the radio, and online at cspan. Org. Washington journal continues. Host joining us now is Sharyl Attkisson, host of full measure. Investigative reporter who has been covering this story about and ghazi benghazi. 11 2012,ay, september walk us through what happened. Guest it started out fairly normally. They are ahead Something Like six hours in libya. Word came down that we were under attack. At one of our compounds in benghazi. There were two deaths almost immediately. Two more deaths maybe six hours later. This unfolded overnight u. S. Time guest. Back thene were told is completely different from what we know now based on documents and witnesses and evidence. We were led to believe this was a spontaneous unpredictable attack that came out of the blue and nobody knew it was coming and it was prompted by an antimuslim Youtube Video. Thats what we were told at the time. Host walk us through the days of this attack and the day after. What did the Administration Officials know . Know only from documents and testimony and so on that the state department, the Obama Administration, the people on the ground, the people have said they all knew immediately us was a preplanned terrorist attack. There was no doubt in anybodys mind. That was exchange in emails. Sharia claimed responsibility. That and operated on that internally. And yet externally, we were told something different. The first statement that came out from secretary of state clinton that night a vote the idea that maybe there was a video that had motivated this spontaneous protest. Thats kind of where the controversy begins. And it was followed by weeks of what happened behind closed doors . Congress was getting briefings from the cia that were different from what was being said publicly. And now you can put together a very clear timeline. The u. S. Told libya the very next morning, an islamic extremist terrorist group claimed responsibility, help us go after them. But we told the public, we dont have enough evidence to say, we think it was a Youtube Video. I want to show our viewers what the president had to say in the rose garden the next day. As americans, let us never ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it. To stand up for it. And in some cases lay down their lives for. Only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe. No acts of terror will ever shake the result of this great character, orr the eclipse the light of the values we stand for. Today we mourn for more americans who represent the very best of the United States of america. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act and make a mistake, justice will be done. But we also know that the lives these americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. Americans stood up for freedom and Human Dignity. Americanld give every great pride in the country they served and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also urine to live to live in yearn freedom and with dignity. Host the president making a line between benghazi and september 11. Guest that was the subject of much dispute. That could be your take on it. You look at the whole statement, earlier he did evoke the idea of a spontaneous demonstration. He kind of had it both ways. He said by the way, this is 9 11, and no act of terror on 9 11 shall go unpublished. There was a great debate later as to whether he really called it an act of terror or was skirting the line. So theres a great little back story to this at cbs. Steve kroft from 60 minutes interview the president s that day. And his take was much like the critics take of what obama had said. He started his interview by saying, you didnt call the benghazi attacks an act of terror. And the president in this interview that never aired said, thats right. So he agreed. Y,d steve kroft asked wh and the president said we just dont have enough information to know yet. Because later when it became an issue, he just didnt care that clip. The president agreed that he didnt call it an act of terror in the rose garden that day and yet cbs sat on that clip for quite a while. Host why not . Whats going on behind the scenes for the administration claims they still dont know . Guest now they admit that they knew what the documents have shown. Now the story has changed to be a lot of conflicting things. Hillary clinton wrote in her book, there was the fog of war and she was careening from one explanation to the next. But the explanations given to the public gave no hint of that. They were pretty clear on steering the public toward the one narrative that was not demonstrated in the document. I want to show the viewers what then secretary of state had to say at Andrews Air Force base. She was receiving the remains of the americans that were killed. Heres what she had to say then. We have seen the heavy assault on her post in benghazi that took the lives of those brave men. Violenceeen rage and directed at american embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do with. It is hard for the American People to make sense of the because it is senseless. And it is totally unacceptable. The people of egypt, libya, trade and tunisia did not the tyranny of a dictator for the tyranny of a mob. Reasonable people and responsible leaders in these countries need to do everything and can to restore security hold accountable those behind these violent acts. Host Sharyl Attkisson. This was three days after the attack. She is still pointing toward the video. Family members of the victims say that mrs. Clinton told them personally when the bodies arrived, we will find the baker of that awful Youtube Video. Theis steering them to narrative of, be mad at the guy who made the video. Dont be mad at this other reason. Which they thought was strange. And i thought was strange. Administration, what were you going to arrest the maker of the Youtube Video for . Who had made a perfectly legal this is a free place where you can have free speech. What are you going to arrest him for in your mind when you said we are going to get bac that guide . Y . Thate know from documents have come out that there was an orchestrated effort to not let the public think as ben rhodes put it, not let them think it was a failure and policy. It was ahem to think spontaneous response that they couldnt have predicted and had nothing to do with. Host it leads to the sunday where they repeat the same line of argument. We dont know but. Go ahead. Guest and we know now there was this huge flurry of talking points that were circulated about what she should say and shouldnt say and how many times they were changed and who change them. House falsely stated over and over again they made no substantive changes. But we just found out last year from documents that they did. Were made by a White House National security adviser. By ben were discussed rhodes about blaming the Youtube Video. It was false to say that no substantive changes were made by the white house and at the time there was panic in the ranks of the Obama Administration eight weeks before an election and they really didnt want people to think that they had fiddled with the intelligence and the public narrative. Host what happens then . Leading up to where we are today . I would say there was a full force effort to try to stop the media from being as aggressive on the coverage. We went from being very aggressive i was assigned to look into the story at cbs to have some people in my view begin to block the story. Washington was advancing at and Getting Better stories, there were people who didnt want that published. That Chilling Effect happened across other outlets as well. The coverage changed in tone. At the time, we didnt know as much as we know now. Congress continued its investigation. Sources continued its investigation. Sources continue talking to reporters like me and we were able to get a huge body of evidence that slowly trickled out over years. Been a strategy to paint this as republican Conspiracy Theory and old news and people have probably gotten numb to hearing about it. But what has happened the couple of years is an incredible body of evidence has been released. Does any of that come from the previous investigations and how many were there before the select committee . Guest i think seven committees have looked at it. Despite the claims from the administration and the Hillary Clinton camp that she has been exonerated and it has been fully looked at, that is not the case. The committees have each individually looked at their slice of the pie. No committee before this one is looked at all of the evidence. They have gotten a lot of new evidence. If you know how committees work in washington these days, the constituents of the people who serve on the committees are not really the American Public in my view anymore. They are the interest they oversee. So the Armed Services committee, they are serving the defense contractors interests and the military interests. So they come out with a finding that says, in benghazi, the military didnt do anything wrong. And the intelligence committee, who serves the interests of the community, they come out and say, the Intelligence Community did not do anything wrong so we have this investigation that exonerated pieces of responsibility, but if you look at what they were gathering behind the scenes because some of the closeddoor testimony was ultimately released, there was some interesting and i think damaging testimony that can, for example, from generals who, despite the public line that there was no rescue that couldve been mounted and no assets available, that acknowledged under questioning, well, we just decided not to send in a craft to buzz them. Why not . Well, who knows if it would have worked. They were asked, why not try . There were a lot of contradictions behind closed doors. That was some of the evidence they came out, even of they put a big report at the end that made them seem as if their corner of the investigation cleared that branch of the government. Host what will we learn at thursdays hearing when Hillary Clinton testifies that is different from these other investigations . Guest i dont know. I think trey gowdy in his counselor and the others have a list of questions, but i also think mrs. Clinton has it is been three years and im sure she is answered every scenario and prepared for anything they could throw at her. I always say, if you are really going to investigate something, the best chance you have is very close to the event. Three years later when the stories have changed and people of compared notes and emails have disappeared, i think it is much harder to think you can get at the solid truth. But im sure they will be asking things i would ask. I would want to know what she do about the president s movements and actions and decisions because we still dont know that. The white house wont tell us. I would try to get to the bottom there are questions before and afterwards, to be sure, but i would like to hear the ticktock of what happened that night. Host Sharyl Attkisson Investigative Reporter and author, our guest this morning to take your questions and your comments about this investigation into what happened september 11 2012 in benghazi, libya. Marianne, independent, thank you for hanging on the line. Are you with us . You are on the air. Caller all right. Think have to say is, i Hillary Clinton is a liar just like all of the rest of them. Everything revolves around money. And she has got more money than god. And she charges for every speech. And the only ones that get screwed are the American People once again. Host what would be the motivation . What is behind the motivation of the administration not wanting the American People to see this as a failed policy . Guest lets look at what we know now. I dont claim to be some sort of Global Political expert, but i have had sources speak to me. At the time, intelligence officials were telling me as the u. S. Was cheering on arab spring like this was such a wonderful thing, the intelligence folks, some of them at least, saw the Extremist Movement was using the democratic movements all around these countries as a a trojanome in sort of horse, take over in the chaos, and make headway. And they have done that. And that we may seem, in retrospect, naive or we do not have a good plan. Libya was one of those countries. I had on my program this past sunday, an interview with the head of the House Intelligence Committee at the time, he said libyas dictator, as bad as he was, was so afraid of islamic extremist terrorists in a sun country, he had turned around 2003 and was cooperating with the u. S. In the war on terror him of providing evidence about al qaeda, turned over Nuclear Weapons program, had really become an ally for us. Yet we supported the ouster, the , hillaryinistration clinton and her position, we supported those trying to oust Muammar Gaddafi and i think there were concerns this policy would implode on them if the public saw this as something that was a policy failure. Indeed, so the market off he is knocked out of power, the rebels than what us no market off he is knocked out and the rebels want is out. The same people we supported turn on us. Fi they may have been some of the ones that attacked us in benghazi that night. Host and that brings us to the front page of the Washington Times this morning what does this tell you . Guest libya was being used as a place to transfer weapons to syria, where things were starting to bubble up. My question was never able to get to the bottom of, some believed u. S. Was part of the arms directly. My sources could not confirm that, but we knew they were going on. We knew weapons were being moved, but we were also aiming or arming and training rebels ourselves. Some of him we knew, according to my sources, had previously been involved with al qaeda movements elsewhere. Some of whom we knew went on to fight in syria on the side of the islamic extremist. To sure it is very difficult figure out who your friends and enemies are. It was described to me, sometimes you have to partner with someone that was your former enemy for the purposes of this particular fight. The problem is, it is hard to predict the outcomes. When those guns are turned on you, that is very controversial. They never released, the administration, they promised to release Surveillance Video of the attacks at night. They never did. They wont answer why. But i was wondered from the beginning, were their faces on the Surveillance Videos that would tell people in the know that some of the people we had supported and cooperated with for actually in on attacking the United States . I think that is a valid hairy considering theory considering what has come out since. Host were talking to Sharyl Attkisson, author of the book stonewall. Formally at cbs and now host of full measure. Tom, democrat, you are up. Go ahead. Caller good morning. I would like to apologize for the last lady that was just beginning from pennsylvania. Speaking from pennsylvania. This situation took place several years ago. We are not privy to all the fact that happen. [inaudible] without anyone to counter her accusations and whatnot. [indiscernible] she intimated in the onset of first statement that Hillary Clinton and the government new do you think any reasonable person in the u. S. Would believe that the United States government would allow Something Like this to happen without doing something about it . Whether they claimed it as one thing or another homage doesnt matter. We dont know what the attackers were thinking. All we can do is try to suppose what they were thinking. There will be various statements from various people trying to make a set of reasons for why these people did what they did. And it doesnt make any difference. Like Hillary Clinton says, it doesnt make any difference. The attacks took place and people were killed. You want to put Hillary Clinton in jail for something that happened that im sure she had no control of . Host i want to get a response. Guest i did not say she knew the attacks are coming that night or anything like that and i did not say she should be put in jail. Im simply investigating the facts. As a reporter, i did not care one way or the other windows asked to look at benghazi whether i was going to find the story or not. There are plenty of stories to move on to. But when you start getting contradictory stories, documents, and witnesses from the inside, these witnesses telling me, giving me good information work so described life long democrats who supported obama, supported hillary, and when they are telling you about the disaster they think occurred, you listen. I am reporting the facts, not here to convince somebody it doesnt matter to me whether viewers to leave it in the end, im trying to uncover facts, especially ones that some people do not want to have uncovered. Iowas go to were the contradictions are, and the were summit contradictions in the where i always go to wor the contradictions are, and the were so many contradictions in the story. We know many did not believe it was a spontaneous protest sponsored spurred by youtube. There were contradictions that you dig into as a reporter. Host what questions are unanswered in your mind . Guest i touched upon this, im curious as a journalist looking into that night and trying to put together the timeline, where the president was that night, minute by minute. There should be a record of this and it should be subject to public inspection under freedom of information laws, in my view, but it is not. I would like to know when he wasnt in the white house, who was calling the shots . Inre left with this image some testimony, one military official told congress, well, one reason we did not deploy help is we were waiting for the state department to ask and they never ask. To me, doesnt make sense that equal federal agencies would be mining one another without somebody at the top helping to call the shots. So i wonder who was in the white house tried to call the shots among the agencies if the president was absent. I also there are a lot of questions about contradictions. When i spoke to the white house shortly after i began investigating this and asked about the movement of troops or why help did not come, answers dont jivenitially with answers that came out later. So i want to know more about that. Hillary clinton has given conflict in stories. The administration has said things like, they told him personally we were caught by surprise on 9 11 and never had another attack on 9 11, that is what we had no military help in place even though it was a tinderbox in that part of the mideast. Yet Hillary Clinton says in her book, we were prepared for 9 11. So either you were prepared or you werent. If you were prepared, where was the military help . If you werent prepared, why not . I would want to sort out those conflicting stories. Host we will hear from other clinton tomorrow morning at 10 00 a. M. Eastern time before the select committees on benghazi and we will have coverage on cspan3, cspan radio and cspan. Org. In is expected to be sitting that chair front to eight hours of testimony from her and the questioning coming from those that serve on a committee. The Washington Post reporting libya has failed to agree on a unity government plan. They note the latest turn of postrevolution past comes exactly four years after rebels had told hunted down and killed former dictator Muammar Gaddafi, marking a bloody end to the strongmans long role and punctuating the nato air campaign that is seen at the time as a model intervention in the middle east. And here we are today talking about what happened in benghazi 2012 guest if you step back and look at the big picture, i think the administration is concerned that in her time as secretary of state as well that we are seeing a dissolution of the organized chaos as we knew it in the mideast and it is now devolved into something much worse, seems to be, some regards. Host independent, youre next, go ahead. Caller i have been waiting for a while, so i have not heard this lady mention this in a little bit, but she mentioned it quite frequently when i first tuned in. And that is the two words quote islamic extremist. You love to say that. You and other people. Let me tell you something, i would not care what you call me if another country came into this country and overthrew our government, you can commie al qaeda, you can call me a christian extremist, a jewish extremist. We have those, too, ok . But you guys love to say islamic extremist. Go business being in libya or iraq. And that unless were there to do israels business for them. Host i think we are following your point, that guys, when he says, you he is making an unfair stereotype i would point out. I dont love using the name one where the other, im just representing just presenting the facts. Some want to avoid that name, thats fine. Im just telling it like it is because im not as susceptible, i think, to the propaganda campaigns that are out there to try to steer narratives one way or the other. They were in islamic extremist terrorists, the administration said that. They just did not use those words publicly. I think that was maybe the beginning of we now know the administration does not want to say that phrase, now it is no surprise to know it because he has been asked about it because president obama has avoided using those words, so maybe this is the first time we understood or saw they wanted to carve out that phrase and carve it out of the talking points, for example, card it out of the public discussion. And maybe rightfully so. That is up for the people to decide, but that is part of the controversy. Host our viewers on radio, we are showing all of you the u. S. Leadership, Republican Leadership will hold elections october 28. Diane, republican. Caller good morning. I just want to say thank you, Sharyl Attkisson, i hope and wish and pray they would close you. We need more people like you. I would like to apologize for the last two callers. In front ofd their name and we know it that stands for. Please, continue. Continue to report some truth. We all are waiting to hear the truth. Thank you again. Guest thank you. The other calls dont bother me. People have a wide variety of views and i was feel like i tried to be dust bring forward decidehe end, you what to do with them. Im not here to convince people one way or the other. Measure . T is full guest a halfhour program all about that. Our mission is to bring forward facts and stories that really would not and controversial a couple of years ago but in this environment created where you have to, i think, the media instructs the public almost to take a certain site on issues, self censors, certain stories entirely, we want to explore those and will not be popular with powers that be in special interest in some cases, but these are stories we feel are important to viewers. Last week we looked at benghazi. We will do stories with whistleblowers, do stories on government oversight, corporate malfeasance, anything the whistleblowers have to tell from the inside. Host who is behind it . Guest sinclair broadcasting, a conservative oriented station ownership which has promised us total independence and so far provided it. That was key that if we were going to be doing a halfhour program, i brought some people with cbs from cbs with me and we wanted to be free of what we cbs the last couple of years. More like the old days at cbs were we were allowed to explore stories and go wherever it led versus having somebody somewhere of the line kind of tell you how it had to come out. I think that is what the public really wants. Host joe, new orleans, democrat. Caller good morning. I have several questions. Please, please, dont cut me off because you have a trigger finger. Please, i have my questions. Answeredhe guest has really some of my questions. What is she bringing new to the table that we dont already know . And she mentioned the president. And i think this is what all of this is about, trying to finally get some develop some kind of scandal on the president. Which you have not been able to do in seven years. , why isnting is there investigation on bush and the original 9 11 . I can remember hearing Condoleezza Rice say, if we had known. And that struck me when i heard her say that on tv. If we had known they were going to fly planes into the building. So investigate who knew what and and when. Host the main move on to the next caller. Caller Sharyl Attkisson, we are so darn proud of you back here, i can tell you. You are doing good stuff. It takes a lot of bravery to do what youre doing. I know the pressure that is put on you. So, darling, you take care of yourself. We love you back here. Dont ever forget it. We are behind you 100 . Host are you from michigan . Guest no, but i will take it. Back to the first color, the Benghazi Select Committee has said their testimony they have talked to witnesses these other committees have not talked to, seen documents that other committees have not seen. And discover the existence of the mouse over that mrs. Clinton used, which was the first clue i had that my freedom of information request had not been properly filled when i filed them after benghazi nor in my view have the congressional subpoenas for information been properly filled nor had document requests and court cases. So that is a problem. Some of those documents we may never see. Who knows what will come up . May be. Maybe nothing. Question . He second host trying to make a scandal. Guest im not trying to make a scandal. There may be some people who do want to use this information to build into a political scandal, no doubt that there are people on both sides that are always looking for these sorts of things. And then as to why no bush 9 11 investigation . I think there were a lot of those. Were the commission that looked into the 9 11 attacks. I have seen a lot of reporting on it. It is never too late to revisit if someone wants to go back and continue to look at that. I think valid questions were asked about all of that as well. Rhonda,lifornia, republican. Caller i thank god for trump who is bringing us the original 9 11. Now this here is nothing but ladyg the democratic and i dont know where she was, but this is a bunch of bull s. There. S no there i mean, to find out what our president was doing moment by moment at night . Are you serious . Host lets find out why. Sharyl attkisson, why do you think that is important . Guest if people dont come im not here to convince you you should, that is just part of putting together the puzzle when youre bigger news detective and trying to figure things out. Partly because they wont tell us. That is a matter we are entitled to know. He works for us. The fact she things we should not want to know, to me, that is the mindset that is topsyturvy because he is commander in chief, because we were under attack on foreign soil that night. Because not only was the Egyptian Embassy attacked, then the benghazi compound was attacked, and according to officials, they expected the whole could go on fire tonight. Yes, i would like to know what the president was doing. And if he was absent from the night, who was responsible for making the decisions that did not result in saving lives . Maybe they could have, maybe they couldnt have, but we deserve to know. This country operates by the people, for the people. We deserve to know what happened that night and who was accountable and who was calling the shots in my view. Host reports of noted that president call the secretary of state that evening who was at home. There was a phone call made to find out the latest from the state department. Does that matter . Guest i did none of that is the description of the call that was given, that that was to find out the latest. I knew there was a call. Host what do we know about the call . Guest all i know is there was a call and the White House State Department were cagey. It makes me want to poke around as to whether originally the call took place before or after mrs. Clinton issued her first statement evoking the idea of a Youtube Video, because people wondered, was this a discussion she had with the president of the United States or not . They said things like they were vague and they could not remember. She said she cannot remember which was asked about it on fox news about a year ago. I think subsequently said she thinks the conversation took place after her Public Statement and she could not remember if they talked about the video. These are things i would think a sharp, experienced diplomat official would know and would remember. These are important calls. I dont think you talk to the president all the time about americans being under attack and she said she didnt remember. Host joel, texas, democrat. Go ahead. Host how about the responsibility of the ambassador . He knew, we do not know some of these things in the beginning, but he knew there was a cia outpost there. He knew there were terrorist there. He got two people with him, drove out there. What was his response responsibility . This things there, breaks loose. What did they do with him . Throw them in a safe room. A safe room. Then he burns up in there. They could not get the doors open. They could not get him out. How long did they spend their trying to get him out of that freaking room . In the meantime, these guys are dying. Instead of getting him, that is their job to get him out of that embassy when that first started. That was the cia and these peoples jobs. That is what theyre therefore, to protect the ambassador him and not put him in a room they could not get out of. Host lets talk about the role of the cia. What do we know . Guest we have heard from officials at the annex nearby that they were stopped from responding quickly. They were delayed by one of their superiors, unfortunately, they feel could have made a difference. Who knows . As someone who had worked on the ground prior to this attack happening told me the people who were there that night, again not to disparage them in any way, but they were less experienced and they, according to testimony, did not even have weapons with them. People who have been there before helping guard the ambassador, people who were pulled out, said they slept with their weapons. Why during this dangerous time you would not have your weapons with you is a mystery to some people. Ambassador stephens did, i think his responsibility was making sure it was communicated everything he knew. The state department. We got memos early on which i broke on cbs does, he was clear he wanted more security, it was a dangerous situation. Al qaeda specifically threatened to attack british interests, the red cross, and the u. S. In benghazi. They went on that list. They got the red cross, they got the british, and then we were next. That could be predicted, one would say, maybe not the day and time, but the fact of the attacked and yet we were in this vulnerable position. After the benghazi attacks happen, there was sort of a Whisper Campaign by some state Department People who spoke to the press and applied this was ambassador stevens fault. What was he doing in benghazi, they said. Im not sure we even knew he was there, they said, which we now know they did know. There is list that goes out every day and the material is circulated according to people in the state department. They try to put the blame on him. They also said, we defer to him. If he wants to go, who are we to say no . But that contradicts if you defer to him, why didnt you give him the securities requested in those months . Why did you draw down security at at the time he and others were say on the groundings were getting dangerous. Host is john bolton right, he writes first floated the fantasy that muslim outrage over the video sparked the attack, incredibly, she never spoke at all to leon panetta or Gemma Dempsey according to their congressional testimony. Is right from what i know as well, there was a phone call about the time she released that statement. One could assume it was about something about this. Host we have a few minutes left before the house dabbles in. Joe, independent. , thank Sharyl Attkisson you for all of your good work. Lets review what you said. That is my question. The islamist test attack occurred at 3 40 p. M. Washington time, midafternoon, and state deputy from libya immediately notified washington of a terrorist attack occurring. It wasnt until 10 00 p. M. , which you just mentioned, that. Bama spoke with hillary our president spoke with our secretary of state. And it was shortly after that that hillary, our secretary of state, came out with the statement that the demonstration was caused by a video. Sharyl attkisson, which you just comment on that as a key question tomorrow to Hillary Clinton . I think they will try to get behind what motivated her, what the conversation was about, what motivated her to point to something when the documents behind the scenes told a much different story. One more thing, we now know the administration previously said there is no standdown ordered. That has been the story from top officials in the military and so on. Although, they played with the word stand down a little bit. Once a people inside said there was a standdown order given, they do not necessarily mean those two words were used and a lot of times in the denial, the administration will say, those words werent used, but we do know at least and three or four different countries, people were told not to go. They were told not to go to respond quickly according to the cia. They were delayed from going. There was a small team in tripoli trying to head to benghazi while the attacks were under way and were told not to get on the plane to go to benghazi. There was a special terrorist Response Team in the u. S. , not known how long this was going to go on, that immediately fired up , assuming they would be sent to go and there were told they were not going. There was an fbi special team that my information says the state department had contact with throughout the night that was stood up, stood down, stood up, stood down through the course of the night. Those events together, one get their eyes there was somewhere, somebody more the senior level that is said keep people in place, do not move people. I dont have any evidence that happened, but based on these different incidents in the different countries, it would seem like too much of a coincidence, everybody individually decided to hold in place. Host mary, new mexico, republican. Caller good morning. This is hard for me, but this question has been bothering me. It was a Beautiful Day in new mexico. You dont usually watch news programs, but my husband was home and called me in the house. Anderson cooper had the diary, according to cnn, and we were listening, he had the diary of the ambassador. Now, how he got it, i dont know. Host the house is about to gavel in. Caller the ambassador in it said he asked for help and was refused and he was scared. Host i have to stop there. Guest we know, she is correct that he asked many help for many ways. Host Sharyl Attkisson, thank you for your time. This hearing tomorrow morning, 10 00 a. M. Eastern time when the questions begin for Hillary Clinton. Washington, d. C. , october 21, 2015. I hereby appoint the honorable john j. Duncan jr. To act as speaker pro tempore on this day. Signed, john a. Boehner, speaker of the house of representatives. The speaker pro tempore pursuant to the order of the house of january 6, 2015, the chair will now recognize members from lists submitted by the majority and minority leaders for morning hour ebate. The chair will alternate recognition between the parties with each party limited to one hour and each member other than the majority and minorit