sigh commit -- policy committee. lots of criticism now aimed at the attorney general. why did the doj apparently deep six the complaint, why did they not pass it to congress, as required by law, why did the doj decide not to investigate poll campaign finance violations in the call. do you think the attorney general has done anything wrong. >> >> it's hard to know here. i don't think there's any offed to suggest the ag did anything wrong here. the question, whether he has to recuse, that's the question of how involved he was in the underlying matter, whether he was materially participating in it. all we know is the president's had a phone call to date we haven't heard anything that barr did anything, that he called or did any actions at all. it's not clear what the ag would have done in terms of asking the ukrainian president to investigate joe biden or his son. so obviously an odd thing raised by the president, with the president of the ukraine, but