tehran, with president zelensky. and there has been some -- you know, ambassador taylor and mr. kent provided some testimony that they had some apprehension that part of this irregular channel that ambassador taylor referenced would rear its head in toronto. i'm just wondering if you can tell us whether that in fact happen? >> yes, thank you. i can only tell you what i know. [laughs] there may have been other conversations or other things. but i know that we had a conversation, bill taylor, and i believe gordon sondland and i around the 28th of june that later connected to i believe a conversation with president zelensky. i may not have been a part of the latter. that being said, i was convinced after that conversation that we had gotten nowhere. we had our white house briefing of president trump on may 23rd, he signed a letter inviting president zelensky to the