well as state law. you get there sort of transmission from the votes go in and the president comes out over here. >> right on the front lines of trying to reduce the vulnerability and it's important to do that. even if voting rights are fully protected and people get to vote and their votes are not audited out of existence, we still have a lot of plumbing to go through and after people vote, there are a will the of processes by which those who really have no respect for law or for the constitution can turn the system inside out and upside down. that's why people like me are quite vigilant about making sure