every country that's asking for a trade we have hundreds of their people in our prisons that we've rounded up all over the world. we've got plenty of people to trade. >> i started this interview by asking how your son was. let me end it, how are you two doing? >> it's been rough, but we don't focus on that. we just mostly focus on what trevor's gone through because it's the roughest on trevor. and he's holding up like a champ, we think. we're very proud of him. but it's hard. i mean, to have everything just whisked away from you overnight. so it's been a long 2 1/2 years for him. >> yeah. >> and again, our health problems and emotional problems we've had are nothing compared to what he's going through. literally a third world gulag as we refer to it. his conditions -- i mean, the conditions russians are in in our prisons, in our federal penitentiaries, they're in like the hilton hotel compared to where our son is at. it's horrible. and again, there's americans in places much worse than he's in.