president tried to extort election help from a foreign leader. we know this. >> so that is new jersey democratic congressman tom malinowski. is his seeming confidence that they are starting to tell this story not in the letter "a" but closer to the letter lmnop, is that confidence founded, do you think? >> i think when democrats have to be careful of here is to make sure they're not sounding too confident and too political. i think we're hearing that from some of the more moderate democrats in those swing states really being careful in how they approach this. the way they're talking about it is that this is an inquiry, this is an investigation, we're going to see, you know, where the facts lead us, seeing similar language from speaker pelosi and the people leading the democratic congressional committee, the democratic senatorial campaign committee, people on those fronts are being more cautious. >> both of our guests have agreed to stay with us. coming up, with everything