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Protect what were told could be up to 5 Million People from deportation. The white house announced the address on facebook earlier today. Everybody agrees that our immigration system is broken. Unfortunately washington has allowed the problem to fester for too long. And so what im going to be laying out is the things that i can do with my Lawful Authority as president to make the system work better even as i continue to work with congress and encourage them to get a bipartisan comprehensive bill that can solve the entire problem. After the announcement tomorrow, the president will roll out his immigration plans on friday at Del Sol High School in las vegas, nevada. Thats the same place where he outlined principles for Immigration Reform almost two years ago when it looked like Congressional Republicans might actually get on board with a compromise bill. But when the Senate Passed a bipartisan bill by a vote of 6832, the house has refused to vote on that bill effectively killing chances for reform. The vegas location has residents beyond that. Latest numbers show almost 18 , 18 of k through 12 students in nevada had at least one undocumented parent in 2012. The state is home to the highest overall proportion of undocumented immigrants in the country. The president will likely have a receptive audience for his speech friday, make no mistake, what hes about to do with this executive action is bold and politically very risky. This decision will completely reshape the political landscape. And no one knows what its going to look look afterwards. We dont know the American Public will react. While 57 favor a path to citizenship, only 38 approve of the president taking executive action on immigration. 38 disapprove. And though we know republicans oppose the president s executive action, we dont know what they intend to do about it because, despite all the rhetoric about an imperial president , theres a fairly clear legal consensus that president obama plan is lawful. Thats left the gop deciding on their next play. Do they continue a resolution and wait until they control the senate to try to strip funding from the immigration programs . Or do they defy Republican Leadership and follow the advice of Erick Erickson who says shut it down. Leadership says under no circumstances there will be a Government Shutdown but erickson makes a case. After all republicans shut it down last year and still managed to run away with the midterms. Do republicans take another stab at suing president obama, or do they take the approach ted cruz is proposing and block every single one of president obamas nominees as soon as they control the senate . Or do they do what a handful of gop lawmakers have already suggested . On the record and start impeachment proceedings against the president of the United States . All those options seem to be on the table. And perhaps the biggest question of all, whether cooler heads in the Republican Party will be able to keep a handle on all the right wing outrage this announcement is sure to unleash. For his part president obamas strategy appears straightforward, as he says to his opponents, bring it on. Tonight at the white house hes having dinner with democratic lawmakers to discuss his executive actions. The republicans were not invited. Sadly, if it were only dinner that were required to get republicans to act in a proactive fashion, you can skip the people having dinner with the president as democrats, that would be true. You can describe them as genuine supporters of commonsense Immigration Reform. That would also be true. Joining me now michael shear of the New York Times. What is the thinking here from the white house on the timing of this announcement . Well, i think theres a couple things. First of all, you do have a sense that this is part of what people have called sort of obama unplugged recently, going after the republicans after getting thumped in the election. Its something he can push on. But the thinking has been that if the republicans were going to attack him on this subject, on the subject of immigration and the executive actions he took, almost better to have it out there so that there was something that the advocates, the activists, the democratic party, they could actually defend and they could rally behind as opposed to just having one hand tied behind their back and not being able to defend it. Thats interesting. In so far as hes promised hes going to do it, the longer you wait, the more youre in limbo that the idea can be attacked but no one can defend what the concrete proposal is . For example, part of what the republicans are going to attack on, whether it was out there or not, was the legal question. Could he do this usurping his authority. What theyre also going to put out is all of the legal justification that they claim they have not only from the white house itself but also all of the advocacy groups that want this to happen have their own lawyer and theyre also going to put out legal briefs and justification. So you have an ability to get out there. You see hell go to las vegas onned from, do a big rally and try to rally public support behind it. You cant do that if you havent announced it yet. Ive been covering the president since he was inaugurated. He does really strike me that in the last two weeks were seeing a very different barack obama, not in how he talks or rhetoric is or disposition, but how to interact with the kind of raw truth the political opposition with the other party. This is a very different tactic with this president. I spoke to a senior white house official about this a couple of days ago. This person said part of this is just a matter of coincidence. Some of the climate things that they announced when he was in asia, some of that has just you know, the timing is coincidental. There were things that took a long time to negotiate or to put in place. And they come out, the Net Neutrality thing is a similar example. But it is hard to even the senior white house official said its hard to deny that when see these things stacked up on top of each other, that this isnt a guy who took from the election a message that he was going to sort of rein himself in. Rather, he took from this full steam ahead and push back. And we know that there is a there is going to be a bill that has to be passed by congress to keep the government funded. The deadline is december 11th. Whats the thinking in the white house about the degree this announcement will affect the trajectory of that funding bill . Well, i think theres two different thoughts. Actually, they think that probably at the end of the day it doesnt affect that that much, or whether or not they would have announced it, the republicans were going to play games with it anyway. But at the end of the day they think probably the republicans are going to say to themselves the Republican Party were the ones that suffered the last time the government shut down and probably will not do anything. And frankly, from the democratic perspective and from the president s partys perspective, the more that the republicans flirt with that probably the better off they think things are. Michael shear of the New York Times. Thank you. Sure. Joining me now ben domenech. What do you think republicans should do . Before that, i have to congratulate you. You totally predicted this. The last time i was on with you, you brought up after 2006, george w. Bush went out and ignored Public Opinion and doubled down on the iraq war. Thats the exact same thing thats happening right now at the white house. If you think about it on immigration, executive power, drones, surveillance, this is barack obama rolling up his sleeve and showing off a what would dick cheney do bracelet. Its interesting what ted cruz wrote. Hes basically giving permission to the establishment and to the leadership to say, hey, you wanted to lead on this stuff. Now you can do it because those in the party closest to the blast radius on this because of their push in the past, thats dead in the water, thats finished. Its done. I think that republicans really ultimately will end up having internal beltway focused fights with Senate Democrats and with democrats in the house where they basically try to extract as much pain as possible on a number of issues. Both on immigration stuff, funding, but Committee Assignments and staffing levels. Theyre just going to pull off a bunch of dick moves to democrats to make them feel move if they cant make president obama feel pain over the way hes approached this issue. I actually think thats 100 accurate. Theres no appetite in the leadership for a shut down because republicans believe theyll be blamed for the shut down. Erick erickson saying you got blamed for it, a year later no one remembered. You did well. Like go to it. Go stick it to them. I got to say i dont think thats the right thing substantively. As sheer political advice, you and i agree they really do care. I think youre totally right. Theres going to be a kind of micro aggression tit for tat. If you think about the people that benefit from this within the Republican Party, its the bob goodlattes of the world. People saying they just wanted to do a border bill and a security focus bill because thats what the polling of their own base said they should do. They didnt want to tip toe around amnesty. This kills that issue. It will have an amazing effect on how the battle plays out because of how much it changes that dynamic of that conversation about immigration. I actually think its fascinating because from a political standpoint, this move is clarifying for both sides. Yeah. You know what i mean . Kind of heightening the contradictions but in a useful way, right . The coalitions are what they are in terms of what we want to see happen. Well have that electric polarizing moment. Thank you very much. Good to be with you. Joining me now is Lorella Praeili founder of united we dream. Your response to the announcement today that well hear what this is tomorrow . I just feel very excited that this day is finally here. Weve been working hard for this moment. Its a bittersweet moment. Were hearing that families of the recipients wont be included. But were not going to let that dampen the fact that this is a victory for millions in our country. Im very excited. I get to share this victory with my mother. I was able to fix my status and become a green card holder in 2012. Now my mom will be protected by this announcement and this new policy. Shell be able to see some of her dreams come true. Your mother will qualify for what appears to be announced tomorrow . It appears to be so. We dont have the details yet but shell make it. What about people that say your mother needs to get to the back of the line, that shes cutting the line, that this is a reckless skirting of the normal procedure . Yes, what i will say to them is create the line. There was a bill and we worked on a bipartisan bill in the senate. It passed with overwhelming support in the senate. It then was blocked by house republicans. So there is no line. The whole point of passing federal Immigration Reform is creating a line so that people like my mother can get on it, do everything that they need to do, come forward and eventually become legal permanent residents but that line doesnt exist. The gop has only voted to deport dreamers, to deport young undocumented people, so they have no vision other than a Mass Deportation Party for this country. Are you prepared, are you and the dreamers and the advocates, are you prepared for the possible backlash, if are prepared if this is polarizing in a negative way if it brings out a lot of ugliness over immigration and immigrants . Yeah, so we know that the gop is going to try to kill this, its going to try to stop this. But what we also know is this is not about republicans trying to stop the president. Everything that republicans do from a lawsuit to trying to pass bill to repeal this or block the executive action from happening will be about republicans trying to actively deport millions of dreamers and millions of parents of u. S. Citizen children. And well make sure that the Community Knows that. We are ready you know, our message to them has been bring it. Weve actually been saying ole, gop, because theyve been saying this action is like waving a red flag in front of a bull. Were ready to have our fight. Well protect our victory just like we protected daca. This is not the end. This is really just building on our success as a movement and we need to build power. We need to register people to vote. And we need to continue to build so that more people have relief and protection from deportation. Ole, gop, says lorella. Rachel maddow and i will be bringing you live coverage of the president s big immigration speech. Okay, can the president actually prevent up to 5 million undocumented immigrants from being deported . And how is that legal . Plus my conversation with eva longoria. And ah, so you can see like right here i can just. You know, check my policy here, add a car, ah speak to customer service, check on a claim. You know, all with the ah, tap of my geico app. Oh, thats so cool. 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Its a natural question. Part of the reason conservatives are scrambling to respond is that almost all signs point to yes. Right now there are roughly 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the u. S. And pretty much everyone agrees. The federal government simply doesnt have the resources or hasnt appropriated them to deport all 11 million of them. Someone has to make decisions about who to prioritize for deportation. And that someone, according to the constitution, is the executive branch, which determines how to implement the Laws Congress passes. The president has the authority to decide which deportations to prosecute and which not to prosecute under the principle known as prosecutorial discretion. In 1974 the Supreme Court said the executive branch has exclusive authority and absolute discretion to decide whether to prosecute a case. In fact, every president since eisenhower has used executive action to influence immigration in some way. President reagan today signed the massive Immigration Reform law which will affect the status of millions of immigrants who are now here illegally. The law is complicated. Applicants may not be granted permanent residency for years. And employers who can now be fined for hiring illegals fear economic impacts. But for an estimated 4 million eligible people, the word amnesty has a definite ring. That law after reagan signed it, it was passed by congress and after he signed it in 86, it quickly became clear the bill gave status to certain people but left out their children and spouses. Reagan first acted to fix that oversight in 1987, his i. N. S. Commissioner deferred hearings for the children of people applying for legalization under the law that reagan had signed. Three years later george h. W. Bush expanded on that through a similar executive action. Deferring the deportation of children and spouses of people covered under that 1986 immigration bill. At the time the administration estimated 1. 5 Million People would be eligible or 43 of undocumented immigrants living in the country. President obamas latest executive action will reportedly affect up to 5 Million People on top of the 2 million available for action from daca from 2012. That is 55 of the estimated 11. 2 million undocumented immigrants here now. It is true what president obama is planning to announce tomorrow is larger than what president s before him have done, but it follows quite firmly the logic of precedent. Joining me is alina das from New York University school of law. Ive gnaw gown through the experience several times. They say its not even a close call. A nobrainer. The next thing i know the case shows up in the Supreme Court. The mandate case. No brainer. Is that going to be with us. When you have consensus right now yes, its pretty clear its precedent and a year from now ill have you here when this is before the Supreme Court . Well have to see what happens. Because it seems like there are people who are litigation hungry when it comes to this issue. When it comes to the law itself, its overpoliticized. This decision was made over a century ago when we first had a federal law on immigration that the president has Broad Authority to act because this is about prosecutorial discretion, it is about a reprieve from deportation. Its not about whether someone will get a green card or citizenship. Thats up to congress. But here this is just about who is going to be subject to our deportation system. What about this idea and the New York Times reported on this, theres the idea that these people would be able to work legally. How is that something the president can do unilaterally . For many years the laws have allowed for people who get deferred action or prosecutorial discretion to be able to get a work permit. That makes sense. Because if a person is going to be here in the United States, they should be able to work. It makes no sense, well keep you here but you cant work so you sit around. Things like deferred action are not only policies that exist in memoranda or past precedent but also are in statutes. Congress is aware of this. Maybe Todays Congress has forgotten but there are many bills over the years that have referred specifically to deferred action. This is squarely in precedent, squarely within the law, you think . Yes, i do. Whats the limiting principle . Obviously, play devils advocate here. The president wont show up and say all 11 million can stay. We may disagree about how far the president is willing to go but at the end of the day he has the job of figuring out what to do with the people that are here. I havent been happy with how hes used his executive authority to deport more than 2 Million People, more than any other administration. Hes expanded a lot of administrative programs that have torn apart a lot of families. But in terms of legality thats within his prerogative. 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I say that at a time when we as americans are probably more attentive to the conditions under which our food is produced than we have been in a very long time. Theres an entire subsection dedicated to organic food or comes from farms where animals are treated with some modicum of decency. A new documentary tells a story of one group of people that actually picked the produce, tomatoes, that make it to our table. One of the lowest paid, most difficult jobs in america. One state, a group called the coalition of imacali workers are getting together to Push Companies to pay them more. Over the course of an average work day, workers pick, carry and throw about 4,000 pounds of tomatoes, earning them approximately 40 a day, or a little over a penny for each of those pounds. Thats why the ciw is asking publix to pay more per pound. Doing this would cost them 1 million out of their 2 billion in annual profits. If publix chose to pass on these costs, a family of four would only need to pay an extra 44 cents per year for tomatoes. It should be noted that many Major Companies have joined the Fair Food Program that the coalition created. One where they pay more for the tomatoes but the effort is far from finished. The film on this was coproduced by eva longoria. I got a chance to sit down with her yesterday. I want to start out with how you came to know about the conditions under which our tomatoes are picked, our food is harvested. How did you as just a person living in the world and eating come to know about this . Well, i was really lucky to meet Delores Huerta early in my life, 15, 16 years ago. I met her and had a wonderful conversation about all of the gains that happened in the 60s with the Civil Rights Movement and how everything has been dismantled. Everything cesar chavez gained in california was all dismantled. One of the main things was enforcement. The laws were passed but no enforcement in the fields. This was 15, 16 years ago. Then i did a documentary about child farm workers called harvest. I have no idea about the amount of children that pick our food here in the United States. Then this director, sanjay told me about this film he was doing called food chains. I thought it was a really interesting title. Because he wanted to explore how we are all connected to the exploitation of workers as a consumer, buyer, farm worker, were all connected to this system and this chain in which we get our food. At thanksgiving you sit down and the means of production that brought all these things to my table are just completely invisible to me. Yeah. I dont know where any of it comes from or under what conditions it has been produced. I was on Steven Colbert and he said, i think my food comes from the kitchen. Thats exactly right. It doesnt. Theres never been a greater interest in what were putting in our bodies. People are gluten free, sugar free, lactose free, but people dont think about where is that food coming from, who is picking it and theres a human cost to that much more than your health costs. Theres a human cost to everything thats on your plate. And part of whats fascinating about the imacali workers is that their political strategy revolves around connecting the source of the food to the people that are at the end of that food chain. Weve been trying to villainize farmers for a very long time. Pay them better, dont hire undocumented people. People really go after the farmers. And what this documentary explored was weve got to go to the buyers. These people actually dictate the prices. They squeeze the farmer so the farmer squeezes the farm worker. Your Grocery Stores and the chains are the biggest buyers of produce. What they did was create this thing called the Fair Food Program that has many tenets to it but one is paying a penny more per pound so getting them up to a livable wage. Another thing is a code of conduct, making sure that sexual harassment, physical abuse, everything is taken out of the fields. Then they do an audit of compliance. You can have these rules in place but that audit of compliance, having boots on the ground and making sure these farmers do it is probably the most important part. And this documentarys about one harvest in one state. I mean, this is about tomatoes in florida. We have so many other crops that we need to implement this program. But its also extremely hopeful because problems that seem intractable or you feel like oh, how can you actually turn things around, they have there. Theyve organized to use their power. You see the conditions are far, far, far better than they were before they organized or in other places around the country where people are harvesting food. This program is totally scalable and applicable to other crops as well. I was talking to one of the largest tomato growers in florida. And he said its not only morally better to do this, treat people fairly, pay them fairly, but their turnover is lower. Theyre a choice employer and their profits are doing better than ever. So you go, wow, this is economically sound to do as well. So i think if we can have people watch a documentary and see, its not a film of oppression, its a film of change and how it works. There is such an opening right now, it appears, because of we have had this bizarre in some ways amazing and some ways strange education about food and the amount of food shows and Networks Devoted to it that you can only keep that off stage for so long, the conditions under which it is being made. Yeah, and that like supermarkets specifically go out of their way to make it look pretty and to not remind you of how that tomato got. If you saw dirt on a tomato, youd be like dirt . Even organic stuff. Its weird. A little misshapen has marks on it. And its not as pretty as the other stuff. You should buy organic. The other thing about this bringing this to the forefront, when you tell the consumer the truth, they are intelligent enough to make that decision. People do buy organic. Once they have the choice, people go, ill pay 20 cents more, ill pay a dollar more. They pay more for quality, for pesticide free, for organic. If we had a label that said this produce was slavefree, you would say ill pay more for that tomato. Eva longoria, thank you very much. More fallout from the allegations of Sexual Assault being made by two different women just this week against bill cosby. Well have the latest ahead. Dick cheney. Mmm mmm mmm mm mmm mm mmmmmm here we go, here we go, here we go. 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Netflix, the streaming service, announced that it is postponing the launch of a new cosby standup special, bill cosby 77 which had been set to debut next week. Nbc said it will not move forward with a planned family comedy starring cosby which had been expected to debut next year and the tvland network late this afternoon confirmed to nbc news that it has pulled all cosby show reruns from its schedule effective immediately. In the past week alone two women have come forward in televised interviews to accuse cosby of Sexual Assault. Joan tarshis told nbc news she was drugged and raped twice by cosby. She said cosby offered to work with her. He made me another red eye. We started to talk about the earthquake. And the next thing i knew i was on his couch and he was pulling my underwear off. Model Janice Dickinson also came forward to accuse cosby of assault. In my room, he had given me wine and a pill. The next morning i woke up and i wasnt wearing my pajamas. I remember before i passed out that i had been sexually assaulted by this man. The last thing i remember was bill cosby in a patchwork robe dropping his robe and getting on top of me. These are not the first accusations of this nature against bill cosby. Heres what we know on the public record. In addition to tarshis and dickinson, four other women have, on the record, accused cosby of drugging and sexually assaulting them. One of them, tamara green told her story on the today show in 2005 saying the assault took place after a working lunch. She was suffering from the flu and cosby offered her pills. He produced two capsules in his hand, but i thought nothing of it and i took the capsules. I totally lost motor control. I was almost unable to hold my head up. I was very, very, very stoned. And he took me into my apartment and then very helpfully and nicely was prepared to take off my clothes and help me into bed and pet me and, you know, and thats how the actual assault began. The following year after that interview aired cosby settled a lawsuit with another woman, andrea constant who had accused him of sexually assaulting her two years earlier after he gave her herbal pills to ease her anxiety. Thats a quote. There were ten more women making anonymous claims against cosby. Through his lawyers cosby has long strenuously denied any wrong doing and no criminal charges have been filed against him. Conconstant made her claims cosbys lawyer dismissed them as being utterly preposterous. Bowman lamented her claims had been ignored for decades. Then this sunday a coz bee lawyer dismissed the decadeold discredited allegations against cosby adding the comedian does not intend to dignify these allegations with any comment. After Janice Dickinson came forward, the attorney called it a complete lie pointing to a book that dickinson wrote in 2002 that discusses cosby and doesnt make any reference to a Sexual Assault. Dickinson said in 2006 and tweeted this week there was legal pressure not to mention the assault in her book. Cosbys lawyers deny there was any pressure. Since the uproar began he has not publicly spoken about the allegations. Two of his scheduled appearances were canceled but last week he did sit down for an interview with npr scott simon. This question gives me no pleasure, mr. Cosby, but there have been serious allegations raised about you in recent days. Youre shaking your head no. Name the news business. I have to ask the question. Do you have any response to those charges . Shaking your head no. There are people who love you who might like to hear from you about this. I wanted to give you the chance. All right. So heres the question. There were already two serious consistent on the record allegations against cosby almost ten years ago in 2005, one of which he settled out of court. 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Bill cosby has the [ bleep ] smuggest old black man public persona that i hate. Pull your pants up, black people, i was in tv in the 80s. I can talk down to you because i had a successful sitcom. Yeah, but you raped women, bill cosby. So kind of brings you down a couple notches. That was comedian Hannibal Burress during a routine that went viral and i think has kicked off the renewed focus on the Sexual Assault cases against cosby. Joining me is james peterson. Hes author of the hiphop underground and africanamerican culture. Brittany, i think what happened here was those allegations in 2005 had become old news to the sort of establishment media. It was new news to people on facebook. And i feel like this was one of those items where you saw the democratization of the media and social media where people were saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, now were seeing all the establishment media responding. I write for salon. And they wrote a piece this year that did not go viral. When this black male comedian said that bill cosby was a rapist, all of a sudden other people listened. So you think it was the Hannibal Burress . Absolutely. When men agree with women that they have been raped, then people Pay Attention. So even the spate of things that have happened to cosby today, we cant knock the fact that hes been very generous towards him in the past. I regret that i didnt pursue this. Then you have the spate of things happening, tvland, netflix all coming down the pike today making these announcements. But james, i can imagine a universe when the Hannibal Burress thing hed been making that joke in his routine. There was something about this that made it catch fire and i think something about it, particularly people from my generation for whom this guy is an absolutely beloved icon. When i first found out about these allegations my mind was blown. It was a gawker piece in february that first surfaced. What was it in the air that has made this now the present moving story of this day and week . Yeah, i think well, lets not forget the twitter meme episode of this as well. That added to the social media fire around these things. Obviously, mr. Cosby has carefully constructed what is now an indelible image as a philanthropic and comedic icon. Thats part of the reason why its difficult for this story to stick. Brittanys absolutely right. Were at this intersectional moment. So it is not just the sort of accusations, up to 15 at this point in time, not just the fact that this stuff has been reported on in the past and that women have been making this cry for a long time, but its the participation some from male comedians and writers that help, but an intersectional moment. Whats happening here is the same folks that were disenchanted with the poundcake speech, because you think about the sort of poundcake speech in the context of a michael brown, hes making jokes about young black men stealing poundcake. The poundcake speech was this kind of this sort of diatribe about respectability politics that kind of pull yourself up black america, youre falling down on the job, you got to pull your pants up and stop being criminals and act right and thats the path forward. It contributed to the demonization of young black folk and people of color in ways that we dont really think about in sort of conservative political discourse, but theres an intersectional moment where the same people and one of our own contributors who was one of the people at the forefront of bill cosby critiquing the working class and poor folks, the push back he got was extraordinary. So we have this moment now where the same people who were sort of participating and engaged in this critique and the people who support womens rights or concerned about issues of Sexual Assault, theres an intersection of that. This is what we were talking about right before we went on camera, theres no one to defend cosby partly because of the role he carved out for himself. Thats right. In the poundcake speech. But there have been people defending him all day long. Black men have been saying this is the system, trying to railroad this man at the end of his career. Not this black man. Thank you, james, youre always wonderful. But you know some of your brothers are not quite right. Because theres a racial element here, too, that most of these accusers are white women. So folks are saying this is just another instance of trying to take the black man down and folks not wanting to deal with the fact that this is not a black man who has been a supporter of all black people. Hes spent the last decade in particular since the poundcake speech demonizing not just black youth but also black women. Yes. But lets also say this. Lets say he was the most liberated, equitable dude in the world, the most righteous, had the most righteous record, i wouldnt care if these allegations i should say im on television and i cannot if these allegations are true. Right. If they are true, like that doesnt matter to them. Youre asking the question why is it sticking at this moment . The reason why it sticks at this moment is that intersection of the the collision of those two huge issues. But it does matter, though. A couple of weeks ago i wrote a piece saying lets take the cosby show off the air, get rid of cliff and Claire Huxtable. People were hot with me. One of my friends dressed up as Claire Huxtable for halloween. You cant come at the huxtables, brittany. Hes spent the last 30 years making them believe that bill cosby and Cliff Huxtable are the same person. Americas favorite dad. To get to slay bill cosby is to slay our image of Cliff Huxtable. That gets to a thing thats important here. I have to say all this in the context of weve given you the public record. You make determinations about who you believe in all this. If they are true, it is a reminder that you do not know public figures. You think you know them. You dont know them. Sexual predator, thats right. Thats an important thing to remember. It is. Its so easy to think that you do and this is a reminder that you do not. We could talk about this for an hour, actually. Thats all in for this evening. The Rachel Maddow show starts right now. Good evening, thank you. Do you remember a guy named Randy Scheunemann . The top policy adviser to the mccain palin campaign. He doesnt have that memorable a face. I dont mean that in a bad way. You dont see him and instantly know who he is. He has a names that hard to pronounce and hard to spell. Hes never been a famous guy in politics. 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