Washington. And today President Trumps trip. Before he stops at helsinki for illadvised meeting with putin. Cozying up with an adversary. Trump said dealing with nato and the United Kingdom represent bigger challenges for him. Lets watch. Nato has not treated us fairly but i think we will work something out. We pay far too much and they pay far too little. I have nato, i have the uk which is in somewhat turmoil and i have putin and frankly, he may be the easier of them all. Trump declined, even calling putin a foe or even an adversary. As far as i am concerned, a competitor. Getting along with russia, with china is a good thing, not a bad thing. I have said that many times for many years. Kind of like the world cup. Revealing more about trumps private call to putin last march. When putin complained to the president that u. S. Officials had quote trying to prevent the call from happening, trump referred to those members of his own administration as, get this, stupid people. Talking to putin about his own people. Trumps own people. Author of the new book the world as it is. Reporter with the daily beast. And former republican congressman, thank you. I want you to explain the politics. You are a republican. It is hanging on you. First to ben, you know this whole issue, that was with the home team. They were the allies, fun, going to europe. It was all about splash and glamour. Why is this guy dumping on the european allies. Why is he dumping on them. You couldnt script this week better if you were Vladimir Putin because what he wants is the collapse of the western alliance. To have the president of the United States. He couldnt ask for anything better. It is your friends and a great place to visit, but after 9 11, they were with us in afghanistan. They fought and died with us. What he is putting at risk is the next time we need them, maybe he will not be there with us. When putin wants to intimidate european country, maybe they will reach out to putin instead. What is in your head . Whats in his head is an extreme antipathy towards any sort of multilateral or international alliances. The new world order. Nato, the world trade organization, nafta, the institutions that have held together the west. Why does he hate them . Good question. What is sis hihis psycho bab . He has presented the institutions that he feels that he is not a part of. And he always has more affinity for these strong men types. He had Better Things to say about kim jongun than he does it is also the buch one narrow defense, he is defender in the west. He does know the western civilization has been good. It is the America First mindset of seeing americas interest as not overlapping with europes. Only translators present, no aides around to caution him. Mr. Trumps advisers concede they cannot be certain what he will do or say in those closed circumstances. Im worried that the words on the president s lip will be yes to anything he says. I dont think he should be alone with him. I dont think that is just so with him. What is the fear when you think about it, they used to say, when trump went to gore auchto. Goes to war with the south and put syria together. And keeps israel safe. What is it . A grand deal he is up to . I think that is giving donald trump a lot more credit than he is capable of. This is a president with a historical, historic level of profound ignorance on the world stage. He is suspicious of multilateral engagements but sees strength in dealing with strong men. And he is intimidated by a nato alliance. So willing to sacrifice and flirt with 70 years of Freedom Alliance and not understand fully the consequences of whether or not article 5 is on the table or not. During the campaign and walked it back. This is the concern. Listen, he is projecting profound weakness on the world stage. The fact is our greatest allies are begging for his leadership and he is not showing it. And at the same time he is caving to our adversaries, that is the concern that Chuck Schumer speaking to. Getting off the plane with his classic presentation look. Coat open, white shirt showing, a tie cut lower than the belt, is that the swagger . President of the United States that could not compete with his own peers at the g7 so he walked away in the fit. This is a president that he thinks he has a contract with kim. He sells one thing to his base with his strength. And to sell that strength requires an adversary and requires him to appear with strong men like putin. There is a reason former president s never did what this president is doing, because it is wrong for the National Security interest of the United States. Earning him a public rebuke today from european counsel president. America, i appreciate your allies, after all, you dont have that many. Everybody is doing that now. President trump attacked the eu on twitter saying the European Union makes it impossible for our farmers and workers and companies to do business in europe. I think, i am going to ask you ben, you dont like doing this thing, but this question of brain soup. Why does he behave the way he does. Is it mental or why does he has to strut like that. He struts, putin struts, kim jongun in his shorter way struts. You dont want to do this, do you . I will go there for a second. The only part of the presidency that he seems to be attracted to is not doing the homework. Blowing up nato consensus. The only part he likes is the spectacle. Likes being the center of attention. Everybody in the world is going to be talking about the meeting with putin. Im sure that putin wants to know what wants to get out of it. You dont think he is like an eightyearold. Throw the blocks around. Eyes on me here. Could he, i dont think he could articulate to you, you are trying to understand what to say. I think there is some kind of grand plan, there must be. Putin has a grand plan and we are watching it play out. It started in the election. Destroy the west. The president of the United States vacated. Do you think President Trump has an idea of i think i can break open this idea. If i can get putin on my side, we can settle things in the middle east. I can work things out there the middle east is the key question here. The most important issue they should talk about, is what is going on in syria. That is an issue where u. S. Soldiers lives. It is very much a hot conflict and trump, and his administration broadly too, also the people around him have yet to lay out a Clear Company gege strategy. You think, do you agree with ben that it was the russians that have a plan. Donald trump is cagey but ignorant. And we will end this weak as a weaker nation and not a stronger. Do you believe how we talk now. You are talking about the president of the United States. You mean that in a robust sense. I dont like the word. He is cagey and maybe he is a brilliant negotia brillia brilliant negotiator. He is historically ignorant. And embracing dictators that are adverse to our National Security interest. That is the president today. Do you mean to say, profoundly doesnt understand what the Marshall Plan did. Where we were able to forge the alliance that was so scarey, that they had to back off. He doesnt get that. Nor does he understand how it operates. Look at his language. It is not a fund that they are contributing more. It is a gdp goal, and yes, he is correct that only five of 29 countries have reached that goal. He either fundamentally does not understand it, or he is misleading the American People. I think you made the point. Thank you ben rhodes, thank you betsy. Thank you. Did president go judge shopping . Real questions out there whether he chose Brett Kavanaugh himself in order to protect himself against mueller. Alan dershowitz is coming here. And making a case against impreachi impeaching trump. The president s response, dont come to this country illegally. The hardball round table weighs in on that one. The danger of embracing putin. And let me finish tonight with trump watch. This is hardball where the action is. Across the country, we walk. Carrying flowers that signify why we want to end alzheimers disease. But what if, one day, there was a white flower for alzheimers first survivor . What if there were millions of them . Join us for the Alzheimers Association walk to end alzheimers. Register today at alz. Org walk. But prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered. In jellyfish. In clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve shortterm memory. Prevagen. The name to remember. Need a change of scenery . The kayak price forecast tool tells you whether to wait or book your flight now. So you can be confident youre getting the best price. Giddyup kayak. 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No president has ever consulted more widely or talked with more people for more backgrounds to seek input about a Supreme Court nomination. Mr. President , im grateful to you and im humbled by your confidence if me. Welcome back to hardball. That was judge Brett KavanaughSupreme Court nominee. Kavanaugh was on capitol hill today. The battle lines have already been drawn in this fight over his nomination. Got the nods from President Trump and from three Appeals Court judges. One factor that set kavanaugh apart. Lets watch chuck. Because the thing the president is most obsessed with is the Mueller Investigation. And kavanaugh is the strongest against such an investigation. The strongest in believing the president , even if he thinks the law is unconstitutional, doesnt have to obey it. That is what President Trump would want. And in fact in 2009, judge kavanaugh made the argument that the president shouldnt be investigated. He wrote even the lesser burdens of a criminal investigation including preparing for questions is time consuming. And a president who is concerned about an ongoing criminal investigation could not be investigated. And studies suggested that congress should pass a law to protect sitting president s from civil suits and criminal prosecution. Here is what President Trumps lawyer Rudy Giuliani told sean hannity in may. The president cannot be distracted by a criminal investigation. You can always prosecute him after, they can get him when he leaves the white house. Rudy and brett have the same speech writer. I am joined by senator amy. Outside attorney and fixer, and the guy he just nominated. They both say the president should be left alone by prosecutors. I had not known by that. I am telling between giuliani and what this judge has said. And when you look at the law review, he is talking about an expansive view of executive power. He has literally said in an actual case, in a dissent, that a president should not be able to enforce a law that he does not think is unconstitutional on his own. Even more close to home, the prohibition in place right now say Insurance Companies cannot kick people off if they have a pre existing condition. Then you go to the next step which is what you are focused on and that is when you look at these law review articles, he makes clear these are his words that a president quote should have absolute discretion about whether and when end quote he can be independently investigated. Here we go in a near case, a couple of months from now, the Supreme Court has reconstituted with this new member perhaps will be asked if a president has to respond to a subpoena. We think we know the answer. Could be the fifth vote to say no. And he has said the president should be able to fire special counsel. Think about that. Is he trolling you guys . Just trying to get you guys crazy. This is the exact opposite. Even the Senate Judiciary committee. Passed a bill throw the committee that actually strengthened the special counsel provision because we are so afraid that they are going to run all over that. And Rod Rosenstein is all over that. 20 people indicted. Five convictions. Foreign power trying to invade our election. Tim russert used to say, number, numbers. Not just ratings. You have 100 members. John mccain is probably not going to vote. 99 members. Are they the ones that is going to say no, this is too far to go. Two jobs right now. You are not going it answer my question . I am going to answer it. One, get all information out there. This guy has been in the white house for years. So we need to get all of that information 171 documents were produced. So we need to look at that and ask the tough questions including where he is on precedent that is 45years old. And then the second piece about this didnt he say he was for cassie . Irk he deferred to precedent and said that is the Supreme Court precedent. So it is a much different. It was answered in the context of following Supreme Court precedent. And the second thing to make the case it the American People. And the case of the American People is this is about a case down in texas where the administration is arguing that they want to kick you off your insurance and make it unconstitutional. The provision that says you should be kicked off insurance. We need to make that case. Stood up to protect the build him up. What about the three Democratic Senators from red states . They are going to do what is right. Thank you. From minnesota former district attorney. Alan dershowitz, breaking republicans. Asking his defense of the president. And this is hardball where the action is. Re. You do, too, but not in time. Hey, no big deal. Youve got a good record and Liberty Mutual wont hold a grudge by raising your rates over one mistake. You hear that, karen . 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With expedias addon advantage, booking a flight unlocks discounts on select hotels until the day you leave for your trip. Addon advantage. Only when you book with expedia. I call them the 13 angry democrats. Who have tremendous animosity. Here is the good news. I did nothing wrong. There was no collusion. No obstruction. The ig report went a long way to support that. Welcome back to hardball. President trump has attacked the Mueller Investigation and in the new book, even if there was explicit evidence that candidate trump colluded with russia, collusion is simply not a crime. Helping to overturn the murder conviction of klaus writes the framers of the constitution did not provide an impeachment remedy. Joined by alan dershowitz. And paul butler, an nbc analyst. If the soviet union, well, russia now, conspired to disrupt and discredit our government. I think they did. And the americans conspired to aid or regard that effort, would that be a crime on the american side . It depends on what they did. I give the following hypothetical. Lets assume that candidate trump, this didnt happen. But i am entitled to give a h e hype hypothetical. If he calls Vladimir Putin saying i have a deal for you. If you can help me become president , you know if i am president , you will have a better chance of getting sanctions removed. That would be a horrible, hobble thing, but it would not be a crime. I know i state this view fairly categorically, a lot of academics say you dont need a crime to be impeached. President ford, when he was minority leader says whenever the house says, my analyst says that is not right. The framers rejected the british approach and requires that there is a crime as a prerequisite. You to have have a crime as a prerequisite. Paul, would it be a crime for a group of americans to aid or advance further if you will. Would that be a crime . Of course. Professor dershowitz, it is an honor to be on this program with you. You inspired me to go into a career. And someone who tries to speak up for the little guy. And so i find it kind of ironic now to see your spirited defense of President Trump. It is almost as though he is above the law. That the same rules dont apply to him that apply to everyone else. When we look at actual crimes that would justify impeachment, we can think about conspiracy to defraud the United States. If someone was stealing emails, if that was part of the plan i agree. That is a crime. If they were taking money, all of that more than satisfies the misdemeanor. I dont disagree with that. We are not talking about taking money. We are talking about it is oppo, that hsas a valu in any campaign. It is money. When the New York Times published, that was all stolen material. No matter where you get the information from, you can use it. We both agree that you dont stretch the criminal law. The times didnt reward the russians with the promise of dropping the sanctions. Every politician says if you vote for me, i will be helpful on the right to choose. I will be helpful on passing, that is the way politics operate. You say that i am defending trump. I am not defending trump. I didnt vote for him or support him. I am against almost all of his policies. If hillary had won the election, i would have written a book. I brought my cover that i had made up. It would be exactly the same book and everybody would love me because i would be defending Hillary Clinton. But now my arguments help President Trump so i am a pariah. If Hillary Clinton had won the election and trump was a private citizen, and however you want to phrase it, would that be a crime . Of course. You know, first of all, President Trump is a bizarre poster boy for the idea of fidelity to the rule of law or nonpolitical prosecutions. He campaigned on locking her up. He thinking comey should go to jail. So this isnt a person who knows about faithfulness to the rule of law, this is a person who uses his office every chance that he gets and then lies about it. We can think about that memo he dictated on air force one in which he lied about the purposes of meeting with the russians. So what impeachment is about ultimately is the security of our democracy. Do we have faith that the people we elect to lead us are not looking out for their own personal gain and keeping their own butts out of jail. The pentagon papers were released to let the United States that our country was involved in a war that we knew was going to lose and thousands and thousands of lies were going to be lost. The hacking of the democratic emails was about getting donald trump elected president. If donald trump told the russians to hack emails, that is a crime and impeachable events. I started in college about defending the rights of communist. I didnt agree with oj simpson or agree with many other people. I have always represents people i disagreed with. And why shouldnt anybody be surprised say that again . We dont know, maybe you do, professor, but i dont know whether paul does either, but i dont think anybody knows what is in that iceberg i call it of information that mueller has dug up. You are saying you are against impeachment before you know what is in there. No, i am against impeachment unless there is evidence of a crime. If there is evidence of a crime, i would be for impeachment. My colleagues disagree with this analyst. I want to have a debate and a discussion you need an actual crime for impeachment. How do we know without an investigation which is what mueller is trying to do. Let me ask you about question of law. That is rico, 20 indictments coming out so far. Can you imagine mueller coming out with a rico charge. You are laughing but a hell of a lot of indictments. You dont think this president has been somehow accountable for all of that bad stuff. I am not laughing at that. I am laughing that every single libertarian opposed rico. Opposes the way mueller indicts low hanging fruit and makes them sing. I have been opposed to these tactics and practices for 50 years. Why should i change my policy just because i dont like and didnt vote for the man who is now the subject of them. I am going to maintain the same position i maintained for 50 years and would have maintained if Hillary Clinton was elected president. And would have maintained if bill clinton was impeached. I support everything you are saying about abusive state power and selective enforcement, dude, go down to the boston county jail, a lot of black, and latino men that could use your advocacy. And i have donated my work. If you take away the Constitutional Rights of the president , you can take away the Constitutional Rights of anybody. Thank you. And i am reminded of the great line of reversal of fortune, your film, alan, when he said, you have no idea. Great line. Up next, President Trump has a solution for separated migrant families, dont come to our country illegally. Plus our round able a chance to sound off on the nato summit in brussels and the intended meeting with putin. Will trump cake him to task . I dont think so. Watching hardball. The chili pepper sweatout. Not cool. Freezing away fat cells with coolsculpting . Now thats cool coolsculpting safely freezes and removes fat cells with little or no downtime. And no surgery. Results and Patient Experience may vary. Some common side effects include temporary numbness, discomfort,and swelling. Ask your doctor if coolsculpting is right for you and visit coolsculpting. Com today for your chance to win a free treatment. The Trump Administration failed to meet a court order deadline today. Of the 102 children under the age of five being held, that is 105 under five, only 38 are expected to be reunited today. The judge has asked the administration give a reason why each of the remaining children have not been reunited with their parents. The government is now saying it will largely release families with ankle bracelet. President trump was asked about the federal government failing to meet todays deadline. I have a solution. Tell people not to come to our country illegally. That is the solution. Dont come to our country illegally. Come like other people do. Tonight our round table. Thank you, take up the first question. I dont know how you sue the government. But obviously, they are going helterskelter with a system that doesnt seem organized. It worked for day hoppers. These are kids taken across the continent. No records have been kept to make it easier to return these kids. You get a record when your wallet is taken when you go to jail. And nothing is happening here. Some of the lawyers are saying it is difficult for reunification happen. Suppose nobody had blown the whistle on this. What would have happened . I wonder. They didnt have a plan to get them together no matter. That is precisely what we are seeing today. Relies the fact that the government had no way to reunite these families. No plan. Keeping these kids apart. You think they are keeping them apart on purpose . Well, they were originally. And we have a situation now where they are returning to using the alternative to did detention. And because of the court order and massive outrage on the streets about. Separating parents from their kids. Now saying we are going to return to a policy that the administration canceled months before. Think about the level of trauma these kids have been through entirely as a result of the administration. And now, despite the court order, the government saying we dont know how we are reunifying. Several dozens of kids are under the age of five who have not been. President trump has given every indication that he intends to be more aggressive with our allies. Take a look at the different tones he used at the rally. I will see nato, and tell them you have got to start paying their bills. They kill us with nato. They are going, with President Trump be prepared, you know, president putin is kgb. And this and that. Putin is fine. He is fine. Were all fine. Were people. He is taking a republican party, a grass root party leading the war, the cold war. And being teyrancal. One of the most consistent criticisms is that he was alienating allies. And he is doing this on a level that would make a lot of republicans nervous. People out in the audience, they are not getting paid. Regular piano eople are cheerin attacks. And give a chance to little putin. Those voters have accepted trumps arguments that these international, are harming the u. S. P he takes a very different view that any wouldnt you rather live in denmark than russia . Today senator collins said while kavanaugh is held in high regards, he still needs to go through the vetting process. Watch this. Back then, he said that he considered roe to be settled press d precedent. And that is my judgment as well. So glad to hear him say that at that time. Obviously, its an issue that i am going to raise with him. Was it back in 36, as goes maine, so goes the union. This vote matters. Matters related to abortion rights and democrats have counted on her to show up for the voters in her state. And the question is will she do that this time. How does she discern which way to go . We cant take him on his word on what he said many years ago. We know because President Trump has said it that he has had a litmus test and only wants to appoint judges who would overturn roe v. Wade and so this man came off of a list, vetted off Heritage Foundation and presumably passed that litmus test before being nominated. You got the stuff. The round table sticking with us. You are watching hardball. This is emilys third nomination and first win. Um. So, just. 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