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Yes. Tell me, donny d. As a legendary advertiser and marketing man what do you make of the president of the United States, well get to the news in a second. It was really shocking that the president of the United States after being called treasonous by quite a few people in the Foreign Policy Defense Community, still trying to clean up which is going to be our top story, you know, the mess that he created when he went to helsinki and kowtowed to an ex kgb, and now announces president putin is coming to washington, before cleaning up the last mess on aisle 7. Whats your take . Interesting, joe, you used the word t. Word beginning of the week a lot of democrats, people used it and all of a sudden, oh, maybe thats too hard. I dont think its extreme to use that treason word. Adhering to enemies giving them aid and comfort. I dont know how else you describe what trump did beginning of the week and to your point now is doubling down on it. I think that trump like a petulant child at any time in any way hes rebuked about anything, his response is to double first to walk it back and walk back the walk back and then double down. Just putting in our faces, putting it in americans faces, and i as branding guy, i have no trepidation at all about assigning that treason word. It is no different than had somebody attacked the United States with missiles when you attack our voting system, actually youre doing more harm to us, because once you destroy that process, our democracy is over. You have an election, we cant believe in it that is an act of war in any way, sense or form, and we have a treasonous president who now put it in our face in finland, now going to bring it to our own shores, and as Jonathan Swan talked about on axios, the fact that 80 of republicans think that he behav behaved okay, gave him a stamp of approval. Shame on these pathetic whimpering cowards. Yeah. I wrote about it yesterday. Who are these people . What have they done to my party . 80 of americans think its okay to cower before an ex kgb agent. Insult allies. You wonder, this isnt just a donald trump problem now. This is a problem with the party cast wide. And really quickly, before we move on to the first script, john heilemann, this is something we really need to talk about. I personally believe it changes not only the face of the Republican Party but in the long run destroys the Republican Party. That you have treason was used by so many people. Criticizing donald trump. Even the wall street journal said that Congress Needed to pass a containment plan not only for putin but also for donald trump. You had the president of the United States doing Vladimir Putins bidding, exactly what he wanted them to do. Attacking nato. Attacking theresa may. Attacking germany. Attacking Angela Merkel. Attacking al of our closest our closest allies. As were hearing just about every night on russian tv, commentators shocked saying we couldnt even succeed this well in the cold war. Now donald trump is doing all of our work for us. But what is the longterm impact of a Republican Party now who not only is embracing Vladimir Putin and embracing Vladimir Putins agenda, which is to destroy nato, and disrupt elections, but now theyre also i think i saw somebody last night a quote that 73 of republicans now support tariffs and protectionism, which, again is a complete reversal that will have impact in the long run on this party. Well, joe, i think that the corruption and bankruptcy of the Republican Party has been a long time in the making, but there is no Republican Party anymore in any sense that you would have defined the Republican Party ten years ago, and the way you would have, what the Republican Party stood for at least in the postworld war ii era. It has become the party of donald trump. And so in a thorough way, weve seen this not just in startling polling in relation to how republicans now have seen the performance of donald trump in helsinki, presumably how they will see his invitation now of Vladimir Putin to come to washington to give him the ultimate kind of rather than to chastise him, rather than to criticize him for russias role in meddling in an american election, hes giving him the ultimate kind of dher rcherry o of a sundae what a russian president would want most of us, especially in this week. But, john, as it goes to republicans. Rank and file republicans 75 saying they liked what he said in helsinki when again closest allied the said treasonous or a complete dupe. Who are these people that i grew up with that were the most the toughest on russia, that fought the cold war alongside with nato. When the soviets goal during the cold war is the same goal that Vladimir Putin has now, which is to disrupt western democracies and break up nato. The goal is identical and what republicans always supported. You talk about trade. 73 of republicans now are telling pollsters that they think tariffs are good for america . Yes. This again, who are these people . Its like political body snatchers. Joe, the people who now call themselves, now are the Republican Party. The people you thought in your life growing up in the party are now either no longer in the party, or they are in a kind of weak and craven way sitting on the sidelines wringing their hands over what donald trump has done to the party, not doing much about it. Some speaking out, some not. Over the course of the week as i watched from vacation, David Ignatius said, you could feel the fabric of the presidency ripping and could hear there are more republicans speaking ot. Its not nearly as much as you expect but more speaking out, but the rank and file of the party now, the the grass roots of the Republican Party are people who believe what donald trump believes, and not what you believe, and not what republicans believed in the postworld war ii era, they dont believe in free trade, dont believe in immigration, dont believe in standing up to russian previously soviet expansionism, they dont believe in nato they dont believe those things. Its not what the Republican Party is anymore. To answer your question, i dont know what happens. As you pointed out many times over the course of the last 18 months, there will be a period after donald trump. Whether in fewer than couple years from now. Whether donald trump makes it through, gets his his first term forestalled, make it through one term and beaten or a reelection, at some point there will be a life after donald trump and then the Republican Partys going to look up and say, what are we . What have we become . And does that lead to a fundamental redefense redefinition of the republican life . Ask the question, what have we done, and why did we sit by and allow it to happen the way we did . Susan del percio, im curious. When you go to a reagan dinner, a lincolnreagan din perp used to just be reagan dinners republicans every year, usually january, february, march, have a big fundraising dinner and invite in a speaker. But if you go to a lincolnreagan dinner now, talking to rank and file, if you believe the polls, talking to a rank and file that no longer believe in free trade. Okay. So i guess what i said at lincolnreagan dinners about free trade i couldnt say anymore if i were still a republican. Talk about balancing budgets, reducing the debt. Boy, one of the biggest expansions and deficits and debt spending in the history of our country, in the history of the world. So i couldnt talk about that. You talk about standing up to an expansionist russia. Being tough, not leading from behind. You talk about your alliances with, you know, nato. I mean, these are the things that we talked about. Thats right. We talked about for 50 years. Not me for 50 years but at least two decades, and you could go to every reaganlincoln dinner across america, lincolnreagan dinner across america, and you could say the same thing wherever you went, and youd get the applause. Now according to these polls its not a split. Now 80 of americans are fine with Donald Trumps kowtowing to an exkgb agent who wants to destroy our allies, and wants to disrupt our elections. And they now, you look at this poll, they support tariffs. What the hell what the hell who the hell are these people . What is wrong with these republicans . Where has the party, not of my youth, but of my early 50s gone . Its gone, joe. And its really difficult. I was reading your column this morning, and i, too, said, like where is my party . I dont recognize it. And i could have gone to a lincoln day dinner a year or two years ago and heard those things. It has happened so quickly. Lets not forget. We did have strong republicans running for president for 2016. Donald trump did beat them. But they were you know what . Jeb bush is certainly a legitimate, strong candidate. Marco rubio you my not have agreed with their policies however they were strong republicans and they were beaten by the personality of donald trump at that point. The policies of donald trump are now what is what has defeated the Republican Party, and that is putting us in a very difficult situation, and personally i think if we dont start to see republican organizations setting up the field for 2020 to open it up for a conservative republican to run or just a principled republican, leave it at that, then we are going to see this party dive way deeper. I would like to talk about the beginning of the segment. Before we knew about russia undermining our elections, lets not forget. Donald trump did that two weeks before election day in 2016. He questioned the validity of our elections. He said he may not accept the Election Results, and that really is the kind of, what led us down this road that we are today. From two weeks before the election in 2016. Yeah. And and by the way, again, just as we wrap up this week, a lot of people have said throughout the week that donald trump was kowtowing to Vladimir Putin and ignoring what all of his Intel Community and military leaders had said about them meddling in our democracy, because, it said he took it too personally and couldnt admit that his election may have been compromised. Well, again, its important to always remember, he was kowtowing to Vladimir Putin on this show december of 2015 before the first vote. So, again, theres something there. We dont know what it is. There is something there. Hed get in my ear, when susan was talking about lincolnreagan dinners, you know, he was a republican, a famous tweet from early in the campaign, when actually, everybody knew he was a republican and the first republican president. Read a back every once in a whiles in a week of cleanups and reversals, the white house is now rejecting just for today rejecting Vladimir Putins offer to allow the United States investigators to question 12 russians indicted for election meddling, in exchange for the u. S. Agreeing to let moscow question some american officials. Including former u. S. Ambassador to russia michael mcfaul. The White House Press secretary of state Sarah Huckabee sanders put out a new statement yesterday saying, it is a proposal that was made in sincerity by president putin, made in sincerity . I think it was very cynical, but President Trump agrees with it. Hopefully president putin will have 129 identified russians come to the United States to prove their innocence or guilt. The statement, President Trump agrees to it is in direct contrast what he initially said calling it an incredible offer and sanders saying that the white house wa considering the proposal. We would expect that the americans would reciprocate and they would question officials including the officers of Law Enforcement and Intelligence Service of the United States whom we believe are, have something to do with illegal actions on the territory of russia. What he did is an incredible offer. He offered to have the people working on the case come and work with their investigators with respect to the 12 people. I think thats an incredible offer. The president s going to meet with his team and well let you know when we have an announcement on that s. That a topic that came up in their conversation . Did president putin raise this with President Trump . There was some conversation about it, but there wasnt a commitment made on behalf of the United States, and the president will work with his team and well let you know if theres an announcement on that front. You know, katty kay, lets really strip this down and be honest about it. No american, unless they were a dupe for Vladimir Putin, would think that turning a former Russian Ambassador over to russian investigators, especially an ambassador who had been kicked out of russia because he spoke out too forcefully against Vladimir Putins abuses, no redblooded american would think that was an incredible offer, but donald trump did think is was an incredible offer. Sarah Huckabee Sanders said he had to think about it a day later, and now we have this reversal yet again. Im sure theyll change tomorrow, but what do you make of the back and forths on turning americans over to russians . This was never going to happen. You were never going to turn over a former ambassador or a u. S. Born financier to help implement the magnisky act and you have to wonder what was President Trump thinking . What did putin say to him, how did he communicate to him that seemed to win donald trump over so when he came out of that twohour meeting his initial instinct, gut reaction say, yeah, this is an incredible offer. I think this is a great idea. I think as we head into the prospect, because one was not enough, why not have a second one, of that second putin meeting. Youve got intelligence officials now scrambling to find out what else donald trump may have agreed to. What did he give away . What were the verbal commitments . You have russian officials and president putin saying, hey, it was great. We came out of helsinki, got agreements, looking forward to working on them and the head scratching going on around washington particularly in the Defense Community saying, we have no idea. We dont know what our president may have just committed this country to, and now we have the prospect of a second meeting as well. It beggars belief. Its extraordinary. Jonathan lamere, you were there. Tell me all the back and forths that have been going on this week. Whats your take . What have you heard inside the white house . What have you heard across washington . Not only about the reaction a week later, or several days later, into the summit, but also the president lurching forward to have another summit with Vladimir Putin when he still hasnt cleaned up the multitude of messes created by the first summit . Very few things seem to stick to this president. He seems to bounce off controversy nearly on a daily basis pap few things lining charlottesville, we still feel that one. This week seems like it could stay. I think the part of the confusion is, part of the reason why the stories and questions are still circulating is that no one knows really what happened. Not just we in the media dont ent firely know what happened. Key members of the United States government dont know what happened in helsinki on monday. The members of the white house themselves are still trying to figure out exactly what President Trump may have agreed to. Were relying on what the russians are telling us. I think theres been a lot of pushback from republicans, those, mostly those not facing reelection this fall, who feel this was a mistake. The president has given too much. Changed the party. We saw the reaction on fox news which we never see to something the president does. The president , though, is telling people they wants jonathan, fox news, jonathan, you have the New York Post. Yep. Being critical. Talking about his see no evil diplomacy. You had the wall street journal. Again, how remarkable that the wall street journal said we need a containment policy. Theyre correct. Congress needs a containment policy not only for Vladimir Putin but also for donald trump. You had a lot of very conservative voices coming out, being very critical of the president , and yet heres the president , despite the fact its not good for him politically, dough spite the fact it will hurt republicans in the midterm setting up yet another summit with Vladimir Putin. And it fits a pattern here. Right . The few moments where we have seen this president never apologize, sort of walk Something Back. The access Hollywood Tape and charlottesville and both times issued a statement, like a retreat, felt like a hostage video did it unwillingly only to double down a day later in his position. Seeing it now, him and haw what he said to putin and now seeing, yes, he wants to forge forward with the summit, were seeing it again. Theres a bigger picture, joe and we have to focus on it. Well talk about dan coats and his interview yesterday with Andrea Mitchell but an extraordinary thing happened yesterday. The dni, the director of National Intelligence, the guy who knows everything, yesterday told Andrea Mitchell essentially, he still has no idea what happened in the meeting between donald trump and Vladimir Putin. Thats an amazing thing that happened, and you can feel among a lot of serious people, a lot of republicans who have been concerned about whats happening in this presidency, about whats happening between donald trump and Vladimir Putin, about what Vladimir Putin might have in terms of compromising material or other kind of leverage against donald trump, this in and of itself san astonishing thing we learned yesterday and then in the middle of the interview the president comes out and issue as statement that says that hes inviting Vladimir Putin, despite all of the sound and fury of this last week, that hes inviting Vladimir Putin to come to washington, d. C. Really, its a moment that we will remember, i think, historically and its kind of astonishing on a million levels, but i will say that that apart from Everything Else what we learned with that invitation is one of the things that happened in that meeting. One of the things that happened in that meeting is that donald trump in secret, in secret, not from the press, secret from his own dni and much of the rest of his government made an agreement with Vladimir Putin to have Vladimir Putin come to washington in the middle of a midterm election. That speaks to the extraordinary leverage that Vladimir Putin has over donald trump. We still dont know exactly why, but an incredible thing. Well it really doesnt matter why at this point. I mean, well find out why either through Robert Mueller or historians will find out why, but i cant even imagine, john, republicans that are in swing districts that hillary won getting the news that donald trump is going to make a fool of himself again with Vladimir Putin. This time in the United States in a leadup to a midterm election. Its very bad news for those political suicide. Yeah. Its political suicide. Yeah. Political suicide. Got to go to break. Im curious quickly. End of the week, looking back. Weve talked about this, john, for quite some time. Republicans being too cowardly to stand up on the hill for donald trump. Republicans in his administration biting their tongue when they should be speaking out. Would you say this is a weak, at least, attached to this one event, maybe not maybe it wont happen to other events, but this was the one week that a good bit of the republican and conservative leadership in washington, d. C. Thought leaders, and political leaders did stand up and speak out against donald trump . Certainly its just impurically, it was greater in number and there was more of it than weve ever seen before on almost anything else. I think its even more than there was. Jonathan lamere mentioned charlottesville, one outstanding xavrm example, more this week. More than that, though, the sight of dni coats yesterday making the comments he made that may have put his job in jeopardy, get to that reporting later today, the way in which Christopher Wray, the comments to lester holt out in aspen, in various ways theyre trying to signal that something is wrong here, and that what we saw from donald trump in helsinki and what weve seen in the aftermath of helsinki suggests that something is not just wrong but deeply dangerous. I think you are starting to see some kind of shift in the tectonic plates in the way the government is dealing with donald trump and in particular the way your former party is dealing with him. This may be a week that history remembers. I think so and good luck fairing dan coats. If he this firing james comey was a problem, good luck firing dan coats a man that suggests somethings just not right with Donald Trumps reship with Vladimir Putin. Lots of luck on that one, fella. Dan coats, as were talking about. His stunned reaction to the white house invite of Vladimir Putin was just one of several telling moments from the director of the National Intelligence. Were going to run through the others straight ahead on morning joe. Well be right back. Im a fouryearold ring bearer with a bad habit of swallowing stuff. Still wont eat my broccoli, though. And if you dont have the right overage, you could be paying for that pricey love band yourself. 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Okay. Yeah. Thats going to be special. All right. So the news of the administrations invite of putin to the white house blindsiding the president s intelligence director dan coats. Here some other moments from his very candid conversation with nbcs Andrea Mitchell at the aspen security forum. Well, except that the president has made so many conflicting statements, he has switched from one position to the other even in the same day, as recently as yesterday, and im wondering, when you watch that in helsinki what was your gut reaction watching him validate Vladimir Putins assessment over yours . Well, my thoughts there were that i believed i needed to correct the record for that, and that this is the job i signed up for, and that was my responsibility. Obviously, i wished he had made a different statement, but i think that now that his, this has been clarified, based on his late reactions to this, and so i dont think i want to go any further than that. He said, i accept our Intelligence Communitys conclusion that russias meddling in the 2016 election took place could be other people also could be other people also . What does he know that you dont know . Well, could is not a definitive word here that could someone else be looking at how to do this . Re toiv our re toiv o relative to this, other rogue states, could be, but its undeniable that the russians are taking the lead on this and basically the ones trying to undermine our basic values, divide us with our allies. They are the ones that are trying to wreck havoc over our election process and we need to call them out on that. I think anybody who thinks that Vladimir Putin doesnt have his stamp on everything that happens in russia is misinformed. It is very clear virtually nothing happens there, any kind of consequence that Vladimir Putin doesnt know about or hasnt ordered. Did you know beforehand that kislyak were going into the oval office that day . I did not. What was your reaction afterwards . I mean, we all learned about it from tass. Probably not the best thing to do. But, no. I was not aware of that. Im not aware of anything like that since. You have to understand you have a plead did not come through the system, came from the outside. I dont think there was any nefarious attempt there to do anything but thats history. You know, in washington 2016, the fact that that is considered to be an extraordinary interview and what coats said is considered to be extraordinary shows you just how far washington has sunk in the era of donald trump, because, after all, everything that the director of National Intelligence said has been confirmed by americas Intelligence Community, americas military community, and the media, even conservative Media Outlets, like the wall street journal. Everybody has when i say conservative Media Outlets, also the journal editorial page. Its beyond question. Everything that dan coats just said there is beyond question that Vladimir Putin is meddling in american elections. Hes been trying to do that. It is an objective fact since 2014. The indictments that came out today, this day last week, shows clear and convincing evidence. Put it before any jury in america, those russians, Vladimir Putin, would be convicted beyond a reasonable doubt. Be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and so the question is why would the director of National Intelligence just restating what the Intelligence Community has been saying nonstop since january of 2017 cause any problems for anybody . Lets bring in right now lets bring in Jonathan Swan from axios and hes going to tell us why this is a big deal. Jonathan, youve talked to sources close to the president , and theyve expressed astonishment at coats interview. I guess they havent been paying attention since january 2017 that all coats said yesterday was exactly what the entire Intelligence Community and the entire United States military community has known since january 2017, bhaut what are yo hearing . He said four important things that caught their attention. First, he thought it was misguided for the president to meet alone with Vladimir Putin and that had he been asked he wouldnt have advised it. He said he still have no idea what they discussed in that private meeting which in itself is a stunning revelation from the nations spy chief and you talked about that earlier. He said he had no idea that putin had been invited to the white house, and he also said, as you pointed out, that he thought, dismayed by the president s statement after the press conference. Now, i got two phone calls in very quick order after that tv appearance. One of them while he was still on with andrea, and the first reaction, just so you understand the mindset around trump was, hes got to go. Hes got to go. And to be clear by the way, jonathan, thats exactly what jared said about james comey and, boy, look what in did for them with Robert Mueller. Do they not understand the consequences of firing a director of National Intelligence for saying exactly what the entire Intelligence Community believes . Well, to be clear, i dont know whether trump is contemplating firing him or not, but just so i mean, theyve been around him long enough to know what triggers him and whats going to get under his skin and anything that wreaks of, you know anything thats short of utter affirmation in, you know, potentially a fireable offense. So have they learned any lessons . I think the learning curve is not particularly impressive with this white house. A very nice way to put it katty kay, though, there has to be at least a few people in there that say, if you fired dan coats, that would that would be that would make the firing of james comey look like a spring shower for you politically, because, again, all dan coats is saying is what hes learned by picking up intel on the russians, what the other intel chiefs have said. Theres nothing he said that was radical. The radical actions are taking place by the president of the United States, who is trying to undermine along with Vladimir Putin 50 years of United States National Security doctrine. If you took a written transcript of what dan coats said you may think theres nothing radical and the president would have no reason to disagree with him or be upset, but every time we hear back that clip of this long pause and then dan coats with a kind of smirk on this face saying, okay. Thats going to be special. Its what makes you realize that the tone of this, right, jonathan, is something that the president is going to find very hard to tolerate. We know donald trump. He is thin skinned about criticism. I found it hard i dont know what you thought, jonathan, listening to that tape not to think that dan coats was kind of mocking his boss. Its also the whole setting. I mean, hes at the aspen security forum. Theres a very clubby atmosphere, laughing along, and really in some respects it did look like he was ridiculing the president and, i mean, i could just i would love to be in the room to see the president watch this clip. It would be a sight to behold. A question i want to ask Jonathan Lamere along the same line that katty and swan were talking about a second ago. That was what struck me. In my mind the way it played out, the substance of distancing that coats was doing from trump was the thing that enraged trump first. Trump then goes to my little scenario for how this played out. Trump then goes to Sarah Sanders and says, lets get this tweet out saying that putins coming in the fall. To tweet coats while still live onstage. He tweets coats and coats starts in that way that you saw in the clip. Kind of laughing and kind of laughing at trump. The tonal thing of him saying, okay. Oh, boy. That, then, further the cycle of thinskinned rage is all spun up by this and now they are angry at him for seeming to mock trump with his laughter in front of this crowd of elites in aspen. Whether thats the actual chronology it fits a pattern. The president likes to torment his advisers, weve seen what hes done to sessions over a year now. And i spoke to somebody yesterday who pitched that coats interview almost like an exit interview. Like hes out the door and knows the gate keeper is following and saying this stuff on the way out and id like to add that the president has actually wanted Vladimir Putin to come to the white house for a while. This is not a in idea nap was his original plan. Hes had discussions with advisers last spring he wanted to invite putin here and had to be talked out of it, convinced to do something on neutral turf and mind you, initially bought the helsinki thing wasnt glamorous enough but he has wanted putin to come to washington for a while now and is hellbent to see it happen. That is true. He has wanted it for a while. The president became enraged with h. R. Mcmaster, former National Security adviser for simply saying, i think at the munich conference, indisputable evidence russia meddled and the president said what mcmaster forgot to mention is i won whatever it was electoral votes, crooked hillary was terrible. That got under his skin. Again, like, this is these advisers are not crazy to think that this dan coats interview could have a fairly interesting impact once the president watches it. We will see what happens. Jonathan swan, thank you so much. Always appreciate it. 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Im wondering, first of all, what you think of for the people slogan . And whether it has, what it takes to break through the noise. Joe, im meeting with the head of the dnc next week to talk about messaging. Boy, that is not the answer. Talk about a generic nonstarter. Here is the campaign, here is the message they need to run. This is the vote of your lifetime. This is for democracy. This is for freedom. If you think about things weve been talking about today, basically Republican Party, they dont even want to protect elections. They wont even pass a bill that allow us to make our elections safe. Republican party thinks its okay to side with a thug putin versus siding with our Intelligence Community. The Republican Party chimes along with the president that says the press is the enemy of the state. Protect your grandchildren, your grandparents fought for these things, freedom of speech, freedom of body, freedom of election. Its the vote of your lifetime. That is the message. You know, john, what a dream it would be to be a democrat running against a republican this year. You have these issues that resonate every two years. One washington corruption. And cronyism. You take all the collective scandals of everybody that donald you say have donald saying i apoint only the best people. And then tick off the laundry list of corruption. You can have that classic scene of the fat guy sitting around the table with expensive ties, drinking wine and cutting steaks and do the laundry list of all the corrupt practices of every one of trumps people, thats your way in. Then you can talk about the fact that health care is being attacked by donald trump. Thats powerful. And republicans and democrats alike vote for that. And then finally youve got the fact that donald trump was bragging to billionaires in maralago hours after he signed the tax bill and in his words he said quote, i just made all of you a lot richer. Cronyism, loopholes, you know preexisting conditions. Donald trumps america. Theres so many ways to savage republicans in all 435 districts. Right. And then on top of all that, joe, theres the personal conduct of the president which on so many front is, obviously, not offensive at all to his base and to a large not a majority of the country, but a decent, very solid size chunk of the republican base, but in swing districts among suburban women the kinds of people among africanamerican women as we saw in alabama, as we saw in the off year elections, in special elections over and over again these swing voters, republican women in suburban places, Democratic Base voters, the way the president has behaved in addition to the policy points you made, in addition to the corruption points, then theres the president as the overarching thing in our politics who is so offensive to voters in those districts that democrats have to win. Thats the motivator across america to get the base out, to get a lot of democrats out, to get independents out, to get republican women out. You saw in the alabama race where you actually saw a higher percentage of black voters in alabama voting in an off year special election than they did when barack obama was running for president of the United States. Thats going to happen. You put on top of that a message about cronyism, about corruption, about loopholes for trumps richest billionaire friends, about Peoples Health care being taken away so they can give away those massive tax cuts, that donald trump bragged about at maralago to his billionaire friends hours after he signed the bill. That is a very potent Campaign Message and if democrats can win with that, well democrats will never be able to win. Coming up, nbcs Andrea Mitchell joins us after surprising the director of the National Intelligence with news that Vladimir Putin had been invited to the white house this fall. 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[ applause ] have you ever considered resigning in the time youve worked as the i will continue to work as hard as i can, as long as i can support the men and women of dhs. Have you ever considered it . I think the suggestions, when i heard those suggestions, they are in situations i would never consider resigning. Have there been moments such as those suggested by Christopher Wray in his interview with lester holt where you even considered resigning . Thats a place i dont really go to publicly. I tried to retire twice. Not very successfully. I failed both times. But look you ask yourself why did you agree to do this in the first place . What is your intent . And what is your responsibility . And i look at those measures in terms of making decisions as to how long i would like to be in this business. Are there days when you think, what am i doing . Yeah. But theres a lot more days saying, you know, the mission here is critical and to be able to be a part of it, to be able to feel like youre giving Something Back to your country, its a reward. Welcome back to morning joe. It is friday, july 20th. Still with us we have National Affairs analyst for nbc news and msnbc. National treasure how is that for an introduction, donny deuts deutsch. National treasure. And also lounge lizard in the hamptons on fridays. And washington anchor for bbc news world news america, katty kay. And joining the conversation, we have White House Correspondent for pbs news hour. And also columnist for the New York Times Brett Stevens as well as commentary editor for the Washington Examiner and a visiting fellow at the American Enterprise institute tim carney. So, lets talk about what we just heard. Brett stevens, obviously, you have a balancing act for an awful lot of people that work for this white house who actually feel like sometimes they feel they need to leave, other times they feel they need to stay there and keep doing the sort of thing that dan coats did yesterday and has been doing through the week. Whats your take on the balancing act that they are making, and when they should finally just throw in the towel. I think over a lot of these guys they tell themselves privately that they are cleaning up for the president , but more recently i think they are covering up for the president. I think that goes particularly for john bolton and secretary of state mike pompeo. Ive known both men for years, as im sure you have, and theyve had one consistent view or two consistent views, first of all dont negotiate with dictators in north korea, they never keep their word. Its a fools gambit. The United States should never do that. Secondly dont trust the russian, especially former kgb agents like Vladimir Putin. Now here you have both men going along with probably the most accommodationist or appeasement oriented policy an american president has had in as long as you and i can remember. This puts the russian reset to shame in term of the way in which President Trump has consistently reached out to putin, has apologized for him, has taken his side in disputes and at some point you have to ask yourself or ask john and mike, how long can you go along with this policy and honor your conscience to say nothing of your country. I just dont see how they can do it except unless they are so addicted to power they will run with it for as long as they stay in office. Tim carney, you and i and a lot of our friends have grownup listening to john bolton, especially, and while i wasnt thrilled about john bolton going to work for the white house because i didnt know that he could play well with others, that the two things that gave me solace was the fact that nobody in washington, d. C. Has been tougher on russia and iran and specifically Vladimir Putin than john bolton. You can do a quick Google Search on bolton and russia and come up with just a potpourri of tough no compromise comments about how Vladimir Putin is corrupt, exkgb agent who wants to take over western europe. Theres two interesting divides. Right at this table. With me and brett with the highlights, a divide on the right. One what you have with bolton and pompeo and i think youre reaching out to them is that they are very hawkish republicans who are more likely to want to push things up to the point of conflict, whether its up to the point of war in syria. The other is the attitude towards trump. A lot of us, brett and i both could call us never trump conservatives during the election. After the election i dont think that phrase means anything. The idea oh, they are still supporting trump. For me the question is on what given policy. Are they helping trump appease putin or are they trying to push trump in the right direction on putin . I dont think it makes sense youre still on trumps side, hes doing these bad things you need to quit. The job of everybody whether its somebody in the Administration Like pompeo or boll on the or conservative commentators to push trump in the right direction. To oppose trump is a meaningless idea. Ill put something more out there and its a little in the weed. You also dont have government functioning at full capacity. So if you have a pompeo resign what happens to the people at secretary of state. Right now the three top cyber people including assistant director at the fbi are leaving. That means theres vacancies in cyber as were going into the 2018 midterm election. So resigning is a great concept but we need our government to be working as well. Well, theres so many situations. John, for instance, if for some reason dan coats was pushed out, was fired or resigned under pressure, its just like jeff sessions, good luck having the United States senate allow donald trump to replace him with anybody else. Thats why the firing of dan coats under these circumstances is just not possible. Lets get back, though, to john bolton who actually one year ago today one year ago today Vladimir Putin, this is a john bolton oped and his headline is Vladimir Putin looked donald trump in the eye and lied to him. We negotiate with russia at our own peril. Where are those conservative cold war hawks these days . Locked outside the door when donald trump is talking to his chief, Vladimir Putin. Right. Joe, obviously a stunning thing thats happened with john bolton. I want to take it back to brett and tim because i think youre pointing to a very interesting divide among people who used to be called never trump republicans. Isnt part of the flaw in your argument, potentially, that there doesnt seem to be any real effect. John bolton is there to moderate trumps tendencies towards putin doesnt this last week make you look up how am i affecting this policy in a positive way and isnt it better for the country as i think what brett ill let you speak for yourself, for republicans and former never trump republicans, the country is in crisis. The government is not functioning. Something is going on thats deeply disturbing between donald trump and Vladimir Putin and would be the argument for mike pompeo or dan coats, this is the moment where we need to stand together and act in unison to signal to the country that were in a crisis moment now and we no longer have the ability to moderate Donald Trumps tendencies because hes giving away the store to putin for reasons we dont understand. You cant understand donald trump as a person behaves. Hes a big child who is not containable. But the administration can. If you look how the administration has been visavis russia it hasnt been towards russia. Its trump the man in the room with putin thats the problem. They used to say that about reagan. Im tempted to say let trump be trump. We elected trump to be our president. Hes the president. He deserves to have cabinet officers who will follow out his policies and his instincts and there are plenty of people there, i can imagine secretary of state tucker carlson, National Security adviser, these are people with incredible ethical elasticity and they reflect and they are going to reflect the man. Right now you have people consoling themselves with a lie which is okay pompeo and bolton, these guys are hawks and they will keep the president in check. The truth is we have an executive system of government in which the president has secretaries, we call them secretaries for a reason. Purely Administrative Functions to carry out his policies. Were deceiving ourselves if we think putting in dan coats will moderate the policy. Americans need to see what kind of government they really have. And yet if you look at the policies of this administration, if you look at whats actually been passed in congress with the sanctions, if you look at the statements of everybody around donald trump from u. N. Ambassador nikki haley to Vice President mike pence when hes not latherring president in praise, if you look at the people around donald trump who donald trump has appointed, they are, lets just say, harsher on russia than george h. W. Bush or barack obama both were. The policies seemed to be harsher on russia than they were under bush or barack obama. And yet right at the center of this you have a man tweeting and making statements that actually make him look like hes an agent of an exkgb officer. It is hard for our allies to sort through, but to borrow ross perots phrase if you look where the rubber meets the road, we do have some policies on russia that are fairly tough. Well, when i talked to source they tell me you have to make the difference between what President Trump is doing, his rhetoric, his actions, even his body language in the Helsinki Press Conference which i attended and the actual policies of the United States which are tough on russia. The Trump Administration has expelled russian officials, closed consulates, not let up on the russian sanctions. Theres this idea when i talk to people, i talk to the u. S. Ambassador to nato, former ambassador to nato he told me all that was going on and nato allies will try to plan work around for the United States because they dont trust the United States under trump, the Trump Administration, the actual nuts and bolts of what came out of it is that the United States is not changing our relationship with nato, were not taking out troops of any of the nato military operations, that said, being in that meeting, being in that press conference, it was happening in finland but could have been happening in russia. Put spoke first. His body language at the beginning of the day was slumped in his chair. By the time the press conference came around he was standing up, smirking, felt he was the host. He was having a good time. Thats whats worrying a lot of people. Of course that 90minute meeting that turned into two hour oneonone session where intelligence communities are still trying to figure out what was said. Thats whats scary about this. People who work for donald trump dont know what he gave away to Vladimir Putin. Katty kay, these are such bizarre times where you have, again, you have donald trump bowing and scraping to an exkgb agent who maintains power through assassination, and tries to undermine tries to undermine american democracy and western democracies. But, again, you look at the administrations positions against russia and, you know, im torn. First of all, because donald trump is so towards Vladimir Putin you know we have to have the toughest policies, the toughest sanctions possible against Vladimir Putin. At the same time when you take a step back you go well wait, at some point we need to start to actually Start Building a positive relationship with the russians. But it seems that Donald Trumps bowing and scraping actually gets in the way of us being able to have any constructive talks with the russians. Yeah. This is the confusion surrounding u. S. Russian relationships at the moment. I spoke yesterday to bill browder, the american financier who was on that list that president putin wants to have interrogated, he led to the passing of that act and he was horrified at the idea that Donald Trumps gut in that meeting is to say that this is an incredible offer. This is where donald trump seems to want to come from to pacify Vladimir Putin, to agree with Vladimir Putin, to give in to Vladimir Putin on something so substantial as handing over americans and americanborn people to be interrogated by russian officials. Yet even he, even bill browder said when it comes to policies america is very tough at the moment on russia and the Trump Administration is actually being tougher on russia than the Obama Administration was. This is where the consfugs. If the Trump Administration will be so tough with these sanction wthe closing of consulates, with hitting people who are close to putin, some of the oligarchs close to putin why is it so hard for donald trump to then also say, as dan coats did and as chris wray, put was responsible for meddling in the u. S. Election, nothing happens in russia without Vladimir Putins say so and it must never happen again. Russia is the aggressor here. We heard it from members of his government in the past 24 hours but yet he cant say it. Almost like a personal thing with putin rather than a policy issue with russia itself. Donnie, thats what is i mean thats what this past week has shown. We need to separate the personal from the policy and i know donald trump thinks the personal is the policy, but its not. Lets think about, again, just digging in this, digging into this, much more. We have a president who does look like hes owned by Vladimir Putin. Looks that way. I dont think i dont think it is hard for anyone to deny it doesnt look like hes afraid of Vladimir Putin and Vladimir Putin has something on him. Joe, he does. That said okay. He does. You and i know trump. We both believe that he does. In fact, i would bet an awful lot, bet a lot on that. So we have that fact, all right. Now lets go the next step. But hes appointed people that actually are tough on russia. Hes appointed john bolton, who even a year ago was calling putin a liar that you couldnt trust and you couldnt negotiate with. Mike pompeo who has always been a conservatives conservative on iran and russia. Dan coats, i mean that guy, a rock conservative from indiana, a senator. And hes throwing fastballs at putins head. Christopher wray, no fear. I mean Christopher Wray says what he believes, goes after it, says the russians are meddling. Secretary mattis, secretary mattis, when donald trump was attacking nato, secretary mattis, what did he say . He said nato is so important that if it didnt exist we would have had to invent it. What do these five people have in common . They have many thing in common. One thing they have in common is donald trump appointed all of them. And they are all tough on russia and they are all speaking out with donald trump being obsequ everyone obsequitous. He could be appointing people who arent conservatives who will do whatever Donald Trump Tells him to do. Sean hannity could be secretary of state. I mean you need to go down the list. There are a lot of craven people trying to undermine Robert Muellers investigation. He could appoint them as attorney general. It is almost like he knows he cant. Its a tale of two cities. A tale of two administrations. What youre suggesting, its a fascinating point. Okay if we go on the premise and theres no other explanation. We can sit with learned folks and say why is he so subservient. Well, obviously, hes owned. But then you punch a hole in that and go well if thats the case to your point why is he not surrounding himself with less hawkish people. Hes doing a balancing act. At the end of the day i dont think i think on some level knows he loses his base. He loses who he is if he goes in it in a way. But but, but, but on a personal level hes just afraid of stepping over that one oneonone boundary of its me versus him or ill say this personally about him because at the end of the day he is owned. Our president despite the furkt point and this would put some kind of holes in that theory does surround himself with hawkish people. If you understand how this man has done business hes owned by our number one geopolitical enemy. Ill say it again. You say no. Theres no other explanation. You can use the explanation hes concerned about the validity of his election. As joe pointed out he was doing this before the election. Give me one other rational explanation. Heres the rational explanation. He likes strong men. When hes talking about kim jongun he was on voice of america with great jim vandehei sustern. He said kim jongun feels warmly about the north korean he called him little rocket man at one point. Grows praise for kim jongun fits into the same category as the attitude towards putin as same attitude towards rodrigo duterte. These strong men dictators he buddies up to them. So erdogan and kim have stuff on him. Hes a scmuck or a stooge. Leads to the same conclusion. Its possible to think he has an ideological affinity for russia, a psychological affinity for strong men. At the end of the day you have a president who is determined to buck his advisers and seek a relationship with russia which is antithetical. He surrounded himself with russian hawks but to think the hawks are influencing him. Hes transforming the nature and the ideology of the Republican Party, the number of republicans who take a dim view of Vladimir Putin is down since 2015. The number of republicans who approve of Vladimir Putin has more than doubled. But hes winning his way towards transforming the Foreign Policy of the party to what it used to be in the 1930s, cause quasi isolationist. And whether the explanation is a Conspiracy Theory or the fact that he simply is in love with strong men or that hes always liked russian, at the end of the day thats less interesting than what thele result is for u. S. Foreign policy. Well its what i wrote yesterday, it doesnt really matter why donald trump is being obsequitous to Vladimir Putin. It will elect a lot of democrats in the fall and 2020. He transformed republicans on nato, transformed republicans on russia, transformed republicans on the very underpinning of our Foreign Policy that we conservatives have followed for the past 65, 70 years. Certainly since william f. Buckley founded national review. Hes also cozied up to Vladimir Putin personally in a way that does, does tim carney, briefly, let me push back a little bit. Does suggest that Vladimir Putins relationship with donald trump is different than anybody else because as donnie pointed out he certainly was very critical of the little rocket man as he called kim jongun, attacked him, threatened to bomb him, said his button was bigger than uns button. Youll snow other than Stormy Daniels theres no one in Donald Trumps three years in political life that has escaped his wrath other than put. Can you not find one negative thing he said about Vladimir Putin even going back before election when he was on our show talking about how american soldiers in iraq killed a lot of people too so we could be critical of Vladimir Putin. The bottom line i agree with what brett said is that to some extent the explanation doesnt matter this attitude is bad and transforming the american people. Again ill point out that he, the fondness towards the strong man is universal and putin has been very turning to all sorts of leaders, bush and obama fell under his spell before they came out from under it. Pitching one thing here. Everything you said i agree with. Theres obviously the impact brett talked about it. Trump is transforming the Republican Party, transforming the american attitude, especially on what used to be the conservative side of the ideological spectrum towards russia but it stems me the bigger issue here is hes making the world more dangerous by attacking the western alliance, by attacking theresa may, by attacking Angela Merkel while at the same time providing sucker to Vladimir Putin, hes appreciably making the western alliance weaker and making the world more dangerous and that to me is the difference between yes kim jongun is a dangerous guy. No doubt north korea and Nuclear Proliferation is a threat. Rodrigo duterte is a different story. But the corner stone has been nato for the last 50 years. Donald trump is taking a wrecking ball to nato while at the same time inviting Vladimir Putin to come to washington, d. C. Two years after he undermined american democracy in the 2016 election. These things have consequences beyond the political consequences for the Republican Party, beyond american attitudes. This is making world more dangerous by the day. By the day, and one thing we havent talked about enough this week has been what he said about montenegro, we would not defend montenegro if russia attacked montenegro. That send as message to putin not about montenegro but about estonia, other baltic states, about western ukraine. That sends the message to Vladimir Putin that the president of the United States will not show resolve and if he wants to invade more countries as he did under george h. W. Bush and under barack obama, he can start invading countries under donald trump because Andrea Mitchell lets bring in michigan right now who had quite an eventful interview with the director of National Intelligence. But you remember back to the lead up to the first gulf war, where Saddam Hussein misread some things american diplomats said and he took it as a green light to invade kuwait. Now you have donald trump were not going to defend montenegro if they are invade. The baltic leaders had to be shaking after hearing those words because it gives putin a green light to roll the tanks. Exactly. And, in fact, the russians and forgive my voice, theres a lot of pollen out here this morning, the russians had, you know, tried a coup attempt in montenegro. Montenegro signal was really important. Ive spoken to two former nato ambassador, joe, thats another way where putin is undercutting nato and donald trump is playing right into his hands. So tell us about dan coats yesterday, what an extraordinary interview, and you also had, i guess, the good fortune or bad fortune to deliver very bad news to the director of National Intelligence and that is even before the president of the United States had cleaned up just the collection of messes that he created in helsinki, hes now ready for round two but this time in washington, d. C. Talk about dan coats reaction. It was certainly not my intention to surprise the National Security the National Intelligence adviser. I felt, first of all, that he was trying very hard to stay within his lane, to not speak policy, but to be true to the assessment which he said they had redone since 2017 repeatedly and had come to the same conclusion, anders being very clear that the russians did it, the russians are still doing it, and that Vladimir Putin is in charge. And i think he was even more determined to be clear about that because at the same conference only hours earlier, Kirstjen Nielsen interviewed by Peter Alexander here, had made it very unclear, shes head of homeland security, in charge of protecting the midterm elections and she refused to say that it was the russians or that it was clearly to help donald trump, which was part of that intelligence assessment. So theres a lot of clarity required from dan coats and he and chris wray and later rod rosenstein, later in the evening with absolutely being specific about that. They were determined to stand firmly behind the intelligence agencies and the fbi, and to support their troops and keep politics out of it. As much as they could even though they had been under fire now for 18 months or more. And that i think is the message that dan coats was trying to deliver. Yeah. All right Andrea Mitchell, thank you so much for being on this morning. Absolutely remarkable times and well be watching your show at noon right here on msnbc. Thanks. Brett stevens and tim carney, thank you as well. Fascinating discussion and still ahead on morning joe, our next guest was one of the democrats who broke out in a chant of usa, usa on the house floor, congressman tim deutsche explains what inspired that after republicans deep sixed a plan to make american democracy safer. Yeah, explain that one in your next town hall meeting. Morning joe will be right back. Little things can be a big deal. Thats why theres otezla. Otezla is not an injection or a cream. Its a pill that treats psoriasis differently. With otezla, 75 clearer skin is achievable after just 4 months,. With reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. And the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. Dont use if youre allergic to otezla. Otezla may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. Tell your doctor if these occur. 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And you dig into those numbers a little bit more and whats really fascinating is that a lot of that shift in the gender gap is being driven by millennials in particular. So you have the pew poll that has republicans leading, you know, among men by three points and a massive 44 point pro democratic vote among women which is unprecedented. Whats the impact on districts, the districts were all looking at . Obviously the ones Hillary Clinton won the president ial race but still have republican members of congress there. Well, i think on a district by district basis, youre not going to see a huge amount of impact, simply because unless you have districts that have a higher proportion of millennials that, you know, in the aggregate are shifting towards the democrat. But across all the districts obviously the genders are evenly split regardless of where you go. But what i think it will do for democrats, its going to put a big fat target on those voters if youre moving particularly Millennial Women that are moving so decisively and going to make it easier for democrats at least to identify those voters. So, talk about lets forget about whats going to happen in the next couple of months, lets talk about generational shifts. We see this from time to time. Im an old guy so when i was in high school a lot of Younger Voters shocked pollsters and shocked pundit when is my older brother and my older sister and a lot of Younger Voters went for reagan. And you actually saw a generational shift from Younger Voters being democratic to Younger Voters being republican. You cant look at those numbers and not think, for instance, what youve been saying and what others have been saying, that this is sort of, to borrow dan coats term, a blinking red light for republicans here and that is that they could lose a generation of Millennial Women. Thats right. And you do see over time, you know, those young voters who came of age under reagan are more republican today and you see this repeated time and time again. People do move throughout their lifetimes but shaped by those experiences of voting your first three or four times, your viewpoints do tend to be locked in. But i think that theres i genuinely do think theres opportunity for both sides here. And i think one thing to really take a look at is you may be seeing a little bit of a shift among younger millennial nonwhite voters. The reason i say that is nonwhites are 44 of the Millennial Vote now. They are growing as a share. You look at the shift among young men there hasnt been much of a pro democratic shift. You look at the voter files, some of the large scale panel studies that have been done, the most popular, you know, trump doesnt do very well among africanamerican voters overall but his most popular position is with the young men where, you know, republicans are nearing about 20 of the vote, where were used to talking about republicans being in Single Digits with that category of voters. So i do think there are potential shifts on both sides happening and i think particularly as we talk about gender, we dont talk enough about how both sides can shift. You know, we talk about how, you know, women, you know, potentially are moving away from the Republican Party. But what we could be seeing is simply both sides kind of pulling apart from each other for the same reasons. All right. We love having you on. Thank you so much for being with us. Now to the moment on the house floor after House Republicans voted down a democratic effort to increase Election Security funding. We have sworn an oath to defend our constitution and our liberty the gentlemans time has expired. Against all enemies foreign and domestic. The gentlemans time has expired. You have an opportunity to do that today. Do so. Vote yes on this amendment for your country. [ chanting usa ] with us now, a member of the Foreign Affairs and judiciary committees, democratic congressman ted deutsche of florida. Congressman, what happened with that vote yesterday, and why did republicans vote against a bill to fund Election Security and republicans will say we have our own version of that bill that will protect Election Security just as much as the democrats. Well, thanks. First of all, no, they are not going to say they have their own bill. Theres no good answer for the fact that every republican in the house of representatives voted yesterday against additional funding for Election Security in a vote that took place at the end of a week when the president started the week by showing that he was with putin instead of with america and a week after, just a week after the indictment came down that showed the extent of this hacking and what the russians were trying to do. What the response, the pathetic response, i must say, to this language that would have added funding to go to our states, to help prevent Cyber Attacks from the russians, the response from my republican colleagues we shouldnt be doing that. If we want to protect our elections we need to pass more voter i. D. Laws. Its tone deaf. Unpatriotic. Inexplicable. I heard you earlier, good luck going home and trying to sflien your constituents why the week that we saw the president on stage with putin, the week we discussed their efforts to attack our democracy and the way they did attack our democracy we want nothing to do to prevent it from happening again. We talked this morning what the democrats message could and should be this coming fall and 2020. A lot of republicans favor dealing with put. Why do you think this is so important. Is this an issue guys can run on . Sure. Were not going to run on Election Security and funding for it. But in the big picture, look, whats the message. People proud americans want to be proud of their government. They are not proud of this government. Thats not true just for democrats, its true for republicans too. Its true because of the way the president talks about women, the numbers, the discussion about Millennial Women. Who are surprised that Millennial Women dont like the president given the way he talks about women. Its true when they look at the president standing on stage people want to be proud and know the president is standing up for our National Security not standing on stage looking like someone who is a pawn for Vladimir Putin. I want to ask you something. Of course, i felt actually emotional felt something on the usa, usa. What i was talking about before and what the message needs be. Its a vote for democracy, a vote for freedom. Going back to what patrick said. I couldnt agree with him more. Its about the women. Do you an ad that says to a young millennial woman this is what your grandmother fought for, fight for your granddaughter, this is what we stand for. Its not about voting but that emotion that happened in congress yesterday if you can gin that up in the base and you dont trash trump and dont talk about how he treats women, its just about who we are, thats what i saw happening with the congress yesterday. I know people are cynical about politics. And i understand that a lot of people will watch that and think its just for show. But there is this sense of patriotism. You saw it. Some of my republican colleagues realized what was going on and jumped to their feet. Its impossible not to want to stand up right now at this moment for our democracy. I agree with you. Standing for our democracy, making sure that our votes will be protect really matters, but also donnie, those same women also care about the fact that this president is tearing dprids their parents at the border. That vote natures. They care about the fact that the administration is hell bent on taking away Health Care Coverage for people with preexisting conditions. All of that matters the home. It comes from these deep places of patriotism and frustration. You talk about people being cynical. There are people that look at that video and say this is grandstanding from democrats who want to make a show because they couldnt pass the bill. Whats the plan now Going Forward as President Trumps supporters are following him. They are saying put should be someone were close to. What are democrats going to do now if you dont have the votes to pass legislation . Well, first of all, its really important to point out i dont know i think that assertion that republicans are falling in line behind the president on his relationship with Vladimir Putin, not from what ive seen and if you look at the tweets i was talking about Trump Supporters. Sure. I saw also those polls a lot of Trump Supporters think the president is right on. I won try to convince everyone that when the president stands on stage and seems to care more about Vladimir Putin, and be there to do his bidding instead of standing up for american National Security, i cant convince everyone. I know that the overwhelming majority of people watched the president on stage and were horrified by what they saw. Im going to continue well continue to talk to those people and what we need to do to address this issue. Well look back on this summer, im convinced, well look back on this summer in history and the way the president did the work of Vladimir Putin, not just standing next to him but he attacked the g7. He went to nato attacked nato. He stood up and attacked our allies specifically. He attacked the eu. Thats what Vladimir Putin wants him to do. Its not about having a Good Relationship with russia. Its not even just about sanctions. We imposed sanctions. We dragged the president kicking and screaming to do it but we imposed sanctions. When we imposed sanctions and the president goes into a closed door meeting with Vladimir Putin, has some conversation that we have no idea that the director of National Intelligence has no idea what it was bthatabout, thats somethi everyone is nervous about. Everyone understands the threat it provides. Congressman, thank you for being with us. Of course the congressman would like us to let everybody in his know, no relation to donnie. Still ahead on morning joe this. Were definitely cousins. A lot of child psychologists said publicly this amounts to child abuse. Is this child abuse being imposed, enforced by the American Government . I think that we have 2,000 children who need our care in term of being reunited with their parents and were working very hard on doing that. Thats the secretary of homeland security, Kirstjen Nielsen speaking with Peter Alexander in aspen. Up next well be bringing in jay job whose early reporting on the governments child separation policy pulled back the curtain on the crisis and you heard the secretary say there, 2,000 children are still separated from their parents. Well dig more into that when morning joe returns. Its the ford summer sales event and now is the best time to buy. Preparing classic campfire trout. Say what . Trout. Trout. All right. You dont think i need both . Why does he have that axe . Make summer go right with ford americas best selling brand. Now get 0 financing for 72 months plus 1,000 ford credit bonus cash on a great selection of suvs. During the ford summer sales event, get our best offer of the season 0 financing for 72 months plus 1,000 ford credit bonus cash. Welcome to holiday inn thank you wait, i have something for you every stay is a special stay at holiday inn. Save up to 15 when you book early at hollidayinn. Com save up to 15 when you book early until her laptop crashed her salonthis morning. Or weeks, you never know what the days going to bring when youre running a small business, it might even bring a blue screen of death. Having it problems . Ask a business advisor how to get virus and spyware removal, and 24 7 tech support. Office depot now offers on demand tech support for as little as 15 a month. Right now, buy one hp ink and get a second at 30 off at Office Depot Officemax welcome back. Lets bring in jacob soak rboro. You were doing a story about the children separated from their parents. Kirstjen nielsen throwing out a number 2,000. Its pretty unbelievable, basically well do our best and try not to cut corners to get everybody reunited. Six days from now is the day mandated to have them back. The number they put out yesterday only 14 , 364 of the kids have been reunified so far. We also learned onethird of the parents of those children could be deported immediately after reunification and over onethird are not eligible for any form of reunification so remember this is a crisis that donald trump created, a policy that had never been put into place to systematically separate children from their parents, put them into cages into places like mccallan, texas, which i saw with my own eyes. Third the parents may not be able to be reunited at all, ever. Im glad you got to have a vacation im serious when i say the trauma you witnessed when you were first covering this story. So what happens now . My thing has been we have to stay on the story. You are back from vacation and on this story, not let up, youve listen relentless. How do we continue to bring accountability . The courts are trying. How do we continue to try to bring accountability and when i say we, the democratic republic here. We have to hammer it every single day and im grateful to our network that this is my job now. This is what i focus on day in and day out. We talk about 2,551 kids, we should not rest until every single one of those kids is accounted for. We know right now there are hundreds according to the government but no specifics of parents that have been released from i. C. E. Custody but we dont know where they are and how they will be reunited. There are subsets of information that we need to ask questions just like we did when we are down there, where are the little girls and the toddlers. What happens to the parents already released, what happens to the parents already deported with their families, because the aclu is concerned the Due Process Rights of these Asylum Seeker were completely violated and booted out of the country or may yet immediately after theyre reunified. Tons of different questions we keep asking. Im grateful youre on this. Keep asking those questions. The white house has been lying for weeks talking about how the parents will be reunified with all the children several weeks ago. There are 2,500 short and as you said, tragically, some of the parents may never be reunited with their children. Jacob soboroff thanks for being with us. Keep up the great work. Still ahead, the president answers the scrutiny of the summit with Vladimir Putin by inviting Vladimir Putin to the white house. Thats going to be happening this fall. Plus, new comments from the president about what happens if things with russia dont work out. Well be back with more morning joe in two minutes. Sfx [cell phone dialing] no. No, no, no, no, no. Cancel. Cancel. Please. Aaagh being in the know is a good thing. Thats why discover will alert you if your Social Security number is found on any one of thousands of risky sites. Its a hightech revolution in sleep. The new sleep number 360 smart bed. 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With us we have National Affairs analyst for nbc news and msnbc, john heilemann, we also have Donny Deutsch with us, legendaryed aman and marketer, also republican strategist and msnbc political analyst Susan Delpercio and White House Reporter for the Associated Press Jonathan Lamere and cady kaye. Donny, our introductions of you have been carved up like a thanksgiving turkey. At the beginning you were legendary ad man and now they have don, don d. And Everything Else you hear from me im ad libbing. Tell me as a legendary advertiser and marketing man, what do you make of the president of the United States . Were going to get to this news in one second but it was really shocking that the president of the United States, after being called treasonous by quite a few people in the Foreign Policy Defense Community, still trying to clean up, which is going to be our top story, you know, the mess that he created when he went to helsinki, and cowtowed to an exkgb agent he rushes to announce that Vladimir Putin is coming to washington. Before cleaning up the last mess on aisle seven, whats your take . You know, its interesting, joe, you use the t word and at the beginning of the week a lot of democrat, a lot of people were using it. All of a sudden maybe that was too hard. I dont think its extreme to treason, adhering to their enemies giving them aid and comfo comfort. I think trump, like a petulant child in any time hes rebuked about anything his response is to double first to walk it back and walk back the walk back and to double down. Just putting it in our faces, putting it in americans faces, and i, as a branding guy, i have no trepidation at all about assigning that treason word. It is no different than had somebody attacked the United States with missiles, when you attack our voting system, actually youre doing more harm to us, because once you destroy that process, our democracy is over. If you have an election, we cant believe in it, that is an act of war in any way, sense or form, and we have a treasonous president who now put it in our face in finland, now going to bring it to our own shores and as Jonathan Swann talked about the fact that 80 of republicans think he behaved okay, gave him a stamp of approval, your exparty, joe, and you wrote about it yesterday in washington post, shame on these pathetic, whimpering cowards. Yeah, yeah. I wrote about it yesterday, who are these people and what have they done to my party. 08 of americans think its okay to cower before an exkgb agent, to insult allies. You do wonder, this isnt just a donald trump problem now. This is a problem with the party cast wide, and really quickly, before we move on to the first script, john heilemann, this is something that we really need to talk about, because i personally believe it changes not only the face of the Republican Party, but in the long run, destroys the Republican Party, that you have treason was used by so many people, criticizing donald trump, even the wall street journal said that Congress Needed to pass a containment plan not only for putin, but also for donald trump. You had the president of the United States doing Vladimir Putins bidding, exactly what he wanted him to do, attacking nato, attacking theresa may, attacking germany, attacking Angela Merkel, attacking all of our closest allies. Again, as were hearing just about every night, it seems, on russian tv, commentateors in russia shocked saying we couldnt succeed this well in the cold war, now Donald Trumps doing all of our work for us. But what is a longterm impact of the Republican Party now who not only is embracing Vladimir Putin and embracing Vladimir Putins agenda, which is to destroy nato, and disrupt elections, but now theyre also, i think i saw somebody last night quoted a pew poll that 37 of republicans support tariffs and protectionism, which again is a complete reversal that will have impact on the long run in this party. I think the corruption and bankruptcy of the Republican Party has been a long time in the making. There is no way youd defend what the Republican Party stood for in the world war ii era. It has become the party of donald trump, so in a thorough way weve seen this not just in the startling polling in relation to how republicans have, rather than to chastise him, to criticize him for russias role in meddling in the american election, hes giving him the ultimate kind of cherry on some of the sundae, this is the thing a russian president would want most of all, to get, especially in this week john, as it goes to republicans, rank and file republicans say 75 , 80 saying they liked what he did in helsinki. His closest allies in the media said he was treasonous or a complete dupe. Who are the people i grew up that were the most, the toughest on russia that fought the cold war alongside with nato, when the soviets goal during the cold war is the same goal that Vladimir Putin has now, which is to disrupt western democracies and break up nato. The goal is identical to what republicans supported. You talk about trade. 73 are telling pollsters they think tariffs are good for america . Who are these people . Political body snatchers. These are the people who now are the Republican Party. The people you think of as having constituted the Republican Party in your life growing up with the party, they are now either no longer in the party or they are in a kind of weak and craving way sitting on the sidelines and wringing their hands over what donald trump has done to the party. Some of them are speaking out, some of them are not. As David Ignatius said over the course of the week as i watched from vacation, could you feel the fabric of the presidency ripping and you can hear there are more republicans speaking out. Its not nearly as much as you might respect but there are more who are speaking out but the rank and file of the party now, the grassroots of the Republican Party are people who believe what donald trump believes and not what you believe, and not what republicans believed in the post world war ii era. They dont believe in free trade, dont believe in immigration, dont believe in standing up to russian, previously soviet expansionism, they dont believe in nato. Thats not what the Republican Party is anymore. To answer your question, i dont know what happens. As you pointed out many times over the course of the last 18 months, there will be a period after donald trump, whether thats in fewer than a couple years from now, where donald trump gets his first term is forestalled, whether donald trump makes it through one term but gets beaten or whether he gets a reelection, at some point, there will be a life after donald trump and then the Republican Party is going to look up and say, what are we . What have we become and does that lead to ia fundamental redefinition of the Political Party structures. They are going to look at their Election Results and ask the question, what have we done and why did we sit by and allow this to happen the which it did. Susan delpercio, im just curious. If you go to a Lincoln Reagan dinner, used to just be lincoln dinners where republicans would every year usually january, february, march have their big fundraising dinner and invite a speaker. If you go to a Lincoln Reagan dinner youre talking to rank and file, if you believe these polls, talking to rank and file that no longer believe in tree trade. Okay, so i guess what i said at Lincoln Reagan dinners about free trade i couldnt say anymore if i were still a republican. You talk about balancing the budgets, and reducing the debt. Boy, one of the biggest expansions in deficits in debt spending in the history of our country, history of the world, so i couldnt talk about that. You talk about standing up to an expansionist russia, being tough, not leading from behind. You talk about your alliances with, you know, nato. These are the things that we talked about thats right. For 50 years, not me for 50 years but at least for two decades, and you could go to every Reagan Lincoln dinner across america, Lincoln Reagan dinner across america, and you could say the same thing wherever you went, and youd get the applause. Now according to these polls its not a split. Now 80 of americans are fine with Donald Trumps cowtowing to an exkgb agent who wants to destroy our allies and disrupt their elections and now they support tariffs. What the hell who the hell are these people . What is wrong with these republicans . Where has the party not of my youth, but of my early 50s gone . Its gone, joe, and its really difficult. I was reading your column this morning, and i, too, said like where is my party . I dont recognize it, and i could have gone to a lincoln day dinner even a year ago or two years ago and heard those things. It has happened so quickly. Lets not forget, we did have strong republicans running for president for 2016. Donald trump did beat them, and you know what, jeb bush legitimate. Is a legitimate strong candidate. Marco rubio you may not have agreed with their policies, however, they were strong republicans and they were beaten by the personality of donald trump at that point. The policies of donald trump are now is what has defeated the Republican Party, and that is putting us in a very difficult situation, and personally, i think if we dont start to see republican organizations setting up the field for 2020 to open it up for a conservative republican to run, or just a principled republican, ill leave it at that, then we are going to see this party dive way deeper. Still ahead on morning joe after a long and careful night of deliberation, the white house has decided its not a good idea to hand over a former american diplomat to a hostile foreign power. Thats a decision the senate was a lot quicker in making. Well talk about it with democrat mark warner. But first heres Michelle Grossman with a check on the forecast. Michelle . Thanks so much, joe. The storms that came through the midwest yesterday have moved off to the east so this is what were watching today, strong storms, the possibility for some tornadoes, some large hail and also some flooding conditions. Watch that throughout the afternoon. Otherwise were looking at a Beautiful Day in the northeast, picture perfect, lots of sunshine, low humidity, that will change drastically later on saturday into sunday, watching a coastal low that will bring as many rounds of rain until the beginning of next week and very hot once again, triple digit heat, 106 in oklahoma city. San antonio 102 and the same story throughout sunday so your weekend outlook, record temperatures in the south, Pacific Northwest looking nice. Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. How can we say when you book direct at choicehotels. Com you always get the lowest price on our rooms, guaranteed . Lets say it in a really low voice. Carl . Lowest price, guaranteed. Just stick with badda book. Badda boom. 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The white house is now rejecting russia, just for today, rejecting Vladimir Putins offer to allow the United States investigators to question 1 russians indicted for election meddling, in exchange for the u. S. Agreeing to let moscow investigate americans. It is a proposal that was made in sincerity by president putin, made in sincerity . I think it was cynical, but President Trump disagrees with it. Hopefully president putin will have the 12 identified russians come to the United States to prove their innocence or guilt. The statements claim that President Trump disagrees with it, that is in direct contrast to what trump initially said, calling it an incredible offer, and sanders saying that the white house was considering the proposal. We would expect that the americans would reciprocate and they would question officials, including the officers of Law Enforcement and Intelligence Services of the United States, whom we believe are, who have something to do with illegal actions on the territory of russia. What he did is an incredible offer. He offered to have the people working on the case come and work with their investigators, with respect to the 12 people. I think thats an incredible offer. The president s going to neat with his team and well let you know when we have an aunnoment on that. Reporter is that a topic that came up in their conversation, did president putin raise this with President Trump . There was some conversation about it, but there wasnt a commitment made on behalf of the United States, and the president will work with his team and well let you know if theres an announcement on that front. You know, cady kaye, lets strip this down and be honest about it, no american unless they were a dupe for Vladimir Putin would think that turning a former Russian Ambassador over to russian investigators, especially an ambassador who had been kicked out of russia because he spoke out too forcefully against Vladimir Putins abuses, no redblooded american would think that was an incredible offer, but donald trump did think it was an incredible offer. Sarah Huckabee Sanders said that he had to think about it a day later, and now we have this reversal yet again. Im sure theyll change tomorrow, but what do you make of the backandforths on turning americans over to russians . This was never going to happen. You were never going to turn over a former ambassador, a u. S. Born financier to help implement the act, a bunch of Senate Staffers who helped draw up american law, these are all the people putin wanted. What was President Trump thinking during the course of that twohour meeting . What was it putin said to him . How did he communicate with him, that seemed to win donald trump over, so that when he came out of that meeting, his initial instinct, his gut reaction was to say yeah, this is an incredible offer. I think this is a great idea. I think as we head into the prospect, because one was not enough, why not have a second one, of that second putin meeting, youve got intelligence officials now scrambling to find out what else donald trump may have agreed to, what did he give away . What were the verbal commitments . You have russian officials and president putin saying we came out of helsinki, got these agreements, looking forward to working on them and the head scratching going on in washington particularly in the Defense Community saying we dont know what our president may have just committed this country to, and now we have the prospect of a second meeting as well. It begs belief, its extraordinary. 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I mean, i had some of these fools from the media saying, why didnt you stand there, look him in the face, walk over to him, and start shouting at him . I said, are these people crazy . I want to make a deal. I want to make a deal. You cant do that. I have been far tougher on russia than any president any many, many years, maybe ever. Look at the sanctions ive put on. Look at the diplomats i threw out. Look at all of the things that ive done. Nobody else did what ive done. Obama didnt do it. Obama was a patsy for russia. He was a total patsy. Getting along with president putin, getting along with russia is a positive, not a negative. Right. Now, with that being said, if that doesnt work out, ill be the worst enemy hes ever had, the worst hes ever had. That was President Trump in his new interview with cnbc that aired this morning. We have the vice chairman of the intelligence committee, democratic senator mark warner of virginia. Its interesting, the president is talking about the media, the idiots in the media. Lot of those actually work at Rupert Murdochbacked Media Outlets and i guess donald trump is calling Rupert Murdoch an idiot, calling Rupert Murdoch the purveyor of fake news because you had the wall street journal, fox news, the New York Post attacking the president for being putins p s patsy, putins poodle. The most surprising things and i want to get your reaction if you agreed with the wall street journal editorial page that Congress Needs to implement a containment policy, not only for Vladimir Putin, but for donald trump. Well, joe, there are a number of us who warned about this. We said why would you send in donald trump who prides himself on not doing any preparation against a trained kgb agent, 18 years as leader of his country. We would come in prepped and i was terrified and i think this may have been what happened, putin will come in with facts, with details, might have come in with a map of ukraine and syria and trump got played, he got played for a fool and he embarrassed our country and frankly embarrassed lots of my colleagues across the board, democrats, republicans alike, so we are going to need to figure out ways to put some constraints. We took some actions this past week, past two weeks, reinforcement from nato, that didnt do much in terms of trumps approach to nato. We sent out a message saying no way youre going to turn over american diplomats to russian officials, that was unanimous but i say that builds upon our Senate Intelligence committees work that has reinforced the Intelligence Communitys conclusion that not only did the russians intervene in our elections, but they intervened to help trump and hurt clinton, and that unanimous agreement from our Senate Intel Committee has also been reinforced by facebook, by twitter, by google who all acknowledged russians misuse their platform, so i wonder why mr. Trump continues to be willing to kind of cowtow to this autocrat. Does he not understand our allies in europe are not only defense allies but allies in democracies in terms of belief in a free press, one person, one vote, open society, all things that putin frankly stands against taken stairs the dickens out of me it seems like trump continues to side with putin. And of course, in that press conference again, donald trump is talking about how tough he was standing next to Vladimir Putin, but the fact was that he undercut his Intelligence Community. He said that he didnt think that, had no reason to believe that Vladimir Putin had interfered with the 2016 elections, and thats something that, again, going back to media outlet that is seen as an ally of donald trump, Rupert Murdochs New York Post attacked him for taking a see no evil approach. Joe, if you just think is that a fair characterization . I think its a fair characterization, because there were no shades of gray here. This was a very weak performance by donald trump, cowtowing to a russian leader. Think about this in historical context. If john f. Kennedy had said and accepted khrushchevs allegation there were no missiles in cuba the country and the world would have been very different. If Ronald Reagan said to then soviet leader gorbachev, hey, keep the wall, you figure out when you want to reform your own country, our world would be different. America has been the leader of the west standing up to soviet and russian aggression, that all in many ways disappeared this past monday. John heilemann . My question for you, senator warren, is twofold. The first fold is, what does it say to you that, given what President Trump now says about his grudging acceptance of the Intelligence Communitys assessment of what happened in 2016 that he is now in the same weak turned around and offered not punishment but a reward to Vladimir Putin by giving him a summit in washington, d. C. , and second, what can we do to find out what else those two leaders talked about in the two hours without anybody else but interpreters present . Lets take both those. One, i think its outrageous that the president is rewarding putin with another meeting before the election, particularly since dan coats and other Intelligence Community leaders and for that matter the social media platforms indicated the russians will be back. They were successful in 2016, in terms of sowing disarray in our electoral process, and the fact that in a normal administration with this kind of threat there would be somebody in the white house designated on Election Security, somebody designated to work bet we are social Media Companies to make sure were protected against the misinformation and disinformation, thats not happening. Were trying to do that in a bipartisan way out of our Senate Intel Committee but thats a huge ongoing concern, and then the notion that he was willing or was going to at least think about the idea of turning over an american diplomat to russian authorities, its just you dont need to think about that. Thats a straight out no, unacceptable, particularly when we, the work that bob mueller has done with the 12 russian agents, russian spies, gru agents that weve got documentation on those individuals, yes, we need to pursue them. Im not sure that putins going to actually turn them over to us, but it is a warning signal that the russians were successful in 2016 and every indication is theyll be back in 2018 and my feeling is again, this president s getting played. Senator, its jonathan lam e lamiere. There are concerns what the president may have said in the private meeting with president putin. The only other people there were interpreters. Theres been an idea suggested a subpoena may be issued to the translators to get them to testify as to what they heard, but that of course is not their skill set. Its a real time thing, theyre translating, theyre not taking notes, theyre not necessarily the most reliable witnesses, so i want to get your take, why do you think that would be effective, is it appropriate and what sort of precedent might it set Going Forward for future one on one summits between not just this president but future president s and other leaders which is something that happens from time to time. No, youre right. There have been one on one meetings between russian leaders and american president s in the past, but generally those american president s go in prepped, prepared. They have their teams, they think about the meetings with advanced warning and i think there is a, yes, if the translator can testify or present their version of whats happened, i think we need to get that, because this is such an extraordinary case. I also think we need a readout from mike pompeo, jon huntsman from other members of the president s team who were there. Again, i feel somewhat bad for some of the Intelligence Community leaders all what accepted that russian intervened like dan coats and the cia director and the fbi director, the nsa director, but then this president constantly undercuts them by his behavior and performance not only in helsinki, but whats equally embarrassing is performance after the fact. Senator, Donny Deutsch, nice to chat with you. In the backdrop youre at the opportunity 2020 conference, Democratic Leaders getting together to kind of shape where the party is going in 2020, we were talking about messaging earlier. I have a concern when i see kind of the frontrunner president ial face is the bernie sanders, elizabeth warrens, what happened in one of the new york congressional districts theres a tendency for the party to really lean hard, hard, hard left, which i think is an electoral mistake. Id love your thoughts on where youd see this going and what 2020 is trying to do. Donny, i think that we need to get out of this false choice of red versus blue, or left versus right. I think our politics and the insecurity that donald trump has played so well upon is because people are uncertain about the future, globalization, technology, automation. I think the democrats have got to be willing to lean in to the future. Those issues are not going away. The democrats ought to be the party that says we want to give everybody in this country an opportunity to earn a good life, and so that means we need to address not only why trump is bad and i think people disagree with trump, i think they agree with Democratic Values in terms of immigration, in terms of fairness, but i think we also have an economic theory that says, yes, we have to address economic inequality, and there are ways we can do that through the government, also ways we can do that in terms of rewarding businesses that look for longterm value rather than short term. We need to look at a tax code that says if you buy a computer, thats an asset, you invest in a human being thats a cost so we got to think business and Government Action together. I think we ought to look at economic insecurity, which i think is one of the great unspoken questions. Nobodys going to work for the same job for 35 years the way my dad did, yet we had a social contract that basically said the only way youre going to get benefits is if you work full time. Third of the American Workforce today doesnt work full time. They work parttime, independent contractors, we need a new social contract that basically is built upon portal benefits and finally we need to realize theres a crisis of opportunity in this country. Parts of this country, new york, boston, san francisco, theyre doing great, but something is wrong when 75 of all the Venture Capital goes to three states, massachusetts, california, and new york, and when less than 1 of the Venture Capital, and i used to be a Venture Capitalist goes to African Americans that is going to present a crisis of opportunity. Begot wide swathes of prosperity but 2000 of the 3,000 counties in america have not seen a net job increase in the last ten years. Democrats ought to be about spreading that opportunity, economic insecurity, yes taking on economic inequality but its going to take a forwardleaning and frankly progrowth agenda to do that and i might add along the way, something ive spent a lot of time on recently the questions around National Security, america just spent 713 billion on a defense budget, largest ever. Russia spent 67 billion. I sometimes wonder are we buying the worlds best 20th century military in terms of planes, tanks, trucks, when weve seen that conflict in the 21st century particularly with near peer adversaries like russia and china, they are our peers in the recommend of cyber and disinformation. We need a National Security agenda for the 21st century. Senator mark warner, thanks for being with us, we appreciate it. Thank you. Coming up next, Something Different to cleanse our palettes after another week of head spinning development. If youre a fan of the simpsons youre not going to want to miss our next interview. Commanded armies. Yielded to no one. When i found you in my dna, i learned where my strength comes from. My name is courtney mckinney, and this is my ancestrydna story. Now with 2 times more geographic detail than other dna tests. Order your kit at ancestrydna. Com. Its so hard to believe but its all coming back me. Baby, baby, baby. All you can eat is back, baby. Applebees. 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During a 2016 interview, simpsons writer dan greenie called the scene a warning to america. Well, we recently sat down with one of the original writers of the longest running animated sitcom of alltime, mike reiss. Hes the author of the new book springfield confidential jokes, secrets and outright lies from a life time of writing for the simpsons. We begin our conversation talking about the number of predictions that his show has gotten right. Didnt you guys predict if fox was going to buy disney . Oh my gosh. Disney would buy fox and we predicted the u. S. Would win the gold medal in curling but thats it. You got three things right in 30 years. Get one thing right every decade and that makes us some of the best psychics in america. Pretty darned good. So talk about the book, the extraordinary run, and the fact that my 10yearold and i, and we pull mika into this, too, can select from, you know, 30 seasons of simpsons. Who could have believed when you started i guess tracy ullman show that 30 years later youre still here. Nobody saw it coming. Nobody saw it coming and in fact, i tell the story too much that two weeks before the show came on the air, we were sitting in our writers trailer because fox wouldnt even commit to a realment radio, so were in a trailer and if the show failed they were planning to back the trailer up to the ocean and drown us all. I said how long do you think the show is going to last, and everybody said six weeks. And we had made 13, so we never even thought theyd show everything we made. So were in our 1500th week right now, and wow. Its still i think the number one, number two show on fox. So what happened . When did you realize, hey, wait a second this is my life. This is craze why i here. It was funny, we had a premiere party the night the show debuted in a Bowling Alley. Again, this is how much faith fox had in us, were in a Bowling Alley and they showed the show on these monitors where you usually see your score and everyone is sitting there going, hey, this is pretty good. None of us realized until that moment the show was any good, and then they came in with the reviews from all over the country, and they said the critics figured it out. They said this is a game changer. We go, wow, and then the next morning, we found out we had debuted to the highest ratings in the history of the fox network. So it really took a half hour before we took america. It was a slow struggle. So much animated comedy now, mike, that its easy to forget that what you guys did was revolutionary and people didnt maybe get the concept at first that you were going to have cartoon characters, were used to being sweet, cuddly people but in this razor sharp edged comedy. It was kind of a step off the cliff at that moment. It sure was, yeah. Again, i got the call to do the job from sam simon, one of the creators, and i said, you dont know me . Why are you calling me . He said because everyone else has turned this job down. And that was it. It was supposed to be a summer job, and i didnt tell anyone what i was doing. I thought, i have hit rock bottom, and so we just had fun. I think it may be be sort of th thats sort of the key. Nothing to lose. Swing for the fences. We said no ones going to see this so lets just fill it with the kind of stuff we want to see on tv. Well never get this chance again. Run through some of the people who were sitting in that writers room. We had conan obrien there. Thats about it. You wouldnt have heard about any of the other 99 people who have written for the show. Conan obrien and Craig Daniels who created the office and king of the hill. Mostly its just a bunch of guys you never heard of. I have officially become the most famous writer ever for the simpsons by being here. Answer the question, where is springfield . Okay. Springfield, right here. Dad, its over here. Hey, what you doing . Nobody watches this show, right, so i can tell you, because its a closely guarded secret. We know and the answer is springfield is in hawaii. What . No. Its nowhere. Its like its everywhere but nowhere. Its ohio. We chose the name because there are 48 springfields in america. In 43 states. Which means five states have two springfields. Is there one or two episodes that stand out to you . You know, theres two years i didnt work on the show. Two years i went off and which seasons . Seasons six and seven i think. Those were great years. The best years. The show is so much better without me. No. So theres one, theres a halloween show i really love. We did 3d homer in it and that was pretty exciting. It was funny because the software to do that caused 750,000 at the time. And now its a free app. That was a good one. And i dont know, i like the one certainly when we had thomas pinchen on the show. We had him on twice. A guy who wont be interviewed, wont be photographed. He came on our show twice because he said i got to do something to impress my kids. So what do you like about homer . Homers a comedy writers dream. Hes got everything wrong with him. Hes fat. Hes bald. Hes stupid. Hes angry. Hes drunk. Hes lazy. I think hes got all seven deadly sins. And then season four, we had him walk into a pet shop and the pet shop owner goes oh, my, what is that smell . Ooh, its you. One of the writers goes, i guess he smells now too. I got to say, my favorite the seven deadly sins. Yes. I think my favorite moment, and it is impossible because, again, weve seen them all, and my sons have seen them all. I think my favorite moment was when homer sold his soul to the devil for a doughnut. Ahh now, remember, the instant you finish it, i own your soul for but devtle says he immediately goes to hell and hes chained to a conveyer belt and the devil goes, oh, you like doughnuts do you, and he presses the button and of course, you know, its supposed to be and he keeps eating the doughnuts. And then its like 30 minutes later and the devils looking, like, basically forget it. This always works. And, like, he ran out of doughnuts. That is home e er simpson. What do you think about marge . Shes great. Bart . Bart is the guy all the writers wish they were in school. They wish they had been bart but they were all little lisas who were too smart and had no friends and then one day they grew up and theyre homer. Never had a bart phase. And poor lisa, talk about lisa. Lisas the heart and soul of the show. Is she really . Yes. You consider her the heart and soul of the show . Absolutely. Oh, my gosh, you dont see that . That was very early in the run of the show. James l. Brooks came to me and my partner and said, i have a plot for an episode you got to write. We go, great, what is it . Lisa is sad. That was a great use of the animated medium. But we did that episode and it changed the series. Thats where people sort of woke up and said oh, this show can touch my heart. Maggie. Maggie. It hit me the other day, if the show if the characters age like real people, maggie would be a 31yearold people who never talks. So shed be jared kushner. Oh. Its like a brilliant mind. Theres no reason to think about the end of this show because its still going strong but have you guys talked over the years about how you might end the simpsons . Weve been talking about it for 29 years. Its no joke to say nobodys ever had a good idea. I think its one reason the show keeps running is because we dont know how to end it. No one has had one good suggestion for it. Wow. So William Shatner was the first celebrity to refuse . Yes. Would not do selfparody . Would not. Now he is selfparody. And springsteen also a holdout . Yes, springsteen is the guy we go after year after year, he always says no. George lucas . Theres three celebrities who asked to be on the show and then we wrote them a part and they turned it down. George lucas was the best part. Where we had him hanging around with comic book guy and he was always talking about star wars but he didnt seem to really know the film. And hes always saying thats hilarious. The comic book guy, he says, you and me, were like the guys in my movie, you know, the guy in the vest and the big dog. So, you know, mike, perhaps the greatest simpsons fan despite the fact ive seen every one, is our executive producer alex, who i can actually say we need a clip from like i think it was the eighth season and hell immediately go, oh, yeah. So alex, we havent i dont know weve done this before but youve got to ask a couple of questions to mike because you are our simpsons super computer. Oh, boy. Well, put me on the spot. So the simpsons movie. Any talk of a sequel there . Theres no talk of it. It was so hard to do the first one. Theyd been asking us for 15 years to do a simpsons movie and we kept saying no, no, no. We said what can we show people that we cant show them on tv . And finally we said, oh, barts wiener. So we did that. We got nothing left. I think sooner or later, yes, well make another one, but theres no plans. Okay. I got one more. To make it a little bit on the political side of things. Theres been a lot of discussion about apoos character and the appropriateness, the mocking. Any thoughts . Theres a documentary out i think on netflix now about the problem with apoo. Its a great documentary. But its about three years too late because we became aware of it three years ago. And we did a whole episode addressing it. We had an indian character come on. You are ashamed of me . Who has been as loyal to you. Thats exactly what im talking about. Youre my uncle and i love you but youre a stereotype. Then we retired apoo. Theres all these complaints. He hasnt been on the show for three years. We put him out to pasture. No one seems to notice. The documentary is like making a documentary saying val kilmer shouldnt play batman anymore. Its like nobodys asking. By the wait, apoo did bring mccartney to the simpsons. For 20 years, apoo was the only indian on television. He was a very popular character. Indian people would thank me for putting apoo on. Times changed. Its an old show. The world has changed. Were trying to slowly keep up with it. All right. The book is springfield confidential. Jokes, secrets and outright lies from a lifetime of writing for the simpsons. Mike, glad to meet you. If you meet them in an airport, theyll put you on the shot. Exactly. Easy. Thats the secret of morning joe. That does it for us this morning. Stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. Hi there, everyone, happy friday, im Stephanie Ruhle with a lot to cover this morning. Unfortunately, starting with some very sad news. Horrifying in fact. At least 13 people, including children, were killed in a duck boat accident. Were going to go live to branson, missouri, for latest as the search continues for the remaining who are still missing. A surprise summit announcement. The white house letting us know new plans for a second meeting between Vladimir Putin and President Trump that will take place in washington. Catching many in the administration, including the director of National Intelligence, completely off guard. Vladimir putin is coming to the white house in the fall. Say that again. Okay. Thats going to be special. And fed up. President trump breaks tradition. Blasting the Federal Reserve and its chairman who he appointed, jerome powell, over raising interest rates. Im not thrilled. Because, you know, we go up and every time you go up, they want to raise rates again. And i dont really i am not happy about it. We begin with breaking and very tragic news this hour. I need to warn you, some of the video, its clearly very disturbing to watch