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Then there is scott pruett. They are asking about his security profile. The companys owner is a wellknown friend and supporter of donald trump. And of course there is there is white house physician dr. Reasony jackson. He is President Trumps pick to lead the Veterans Affairs department. The white house continues to support jackson who is facing allegation ranging from drinking on the job to overprescribing medication that got him the nickname mr. Candyman among subordinates. Number one is improper doling out of prescription drugs. The second bucket is intoxication on the job. Being drunk. He has actually passed out in a room that there were some fix that needed some help. And another person got what they needed out of the medical kit and took care of the problem because he was too intoxicated. The third resolves around a toxic work environment, belittling those around him, screaming hollering. Sarah Huckabee Sanders was pushed on the matter multiple time during the briefing last hour. Doctor jacksons record as a white house physician has been impeccable n. Fact, because dr. Jackson has worked within arms reach of three president s he has received more vetting than most nominees. Given his unique position of trust and responsibility, dr. Jacks jacksons background and character were evaluated during three different administrations. Nbcs Kristen Welker is at the white house. Four different background checks but they didnt know about the i. G. Report . Ert that. I can tell you white house officials echo what sarah Huckabee Sanders said from the podium, bottom line, he has the right to go through his confirmation hearing and to defend him against these allegations which he denies. As you point out the allegations include excessive drinking on the job, overprescribing pills and creating a hostile work environment. Sarah Huckabee Sanders asked specifically about the allegations today. Take a look at how she responded today. Sit the position of the administration that the people who raised these allegations are lying . Thats not what i said. I said weve done multiple background checks have taken lays and we are continuing to look at the situation. Do you not find them credible in other words, these allegations. Again, these are new. I can only speak to political motivation behind them . I can only speak to. So of the personal accounts that those of us have as well as the records that we have that are substantiated through a very detailed and thorough Background Investigation process. Reporter we are learning more details katy about that meeting that President Trump had with dr. Jackson in the oval office yesterday. According to a white house official, the president asked him how he was doing. Dr. Jackson firmly denied the allegations and effectively said he wants to push forward. He wants to essentially fight publicly and not have this cloud hanging over him, if you will. President trump making it very clear hes going to stand behind him. So thats the state of play right now. Of course, katy, there is a political reality to all of this. And it goes back to the very beginning of this announcement with a lot of people criticizing the nomination of dr. Jackson to serve as the next v. A. Secretary pointing to the fact that he has no Major Management experience and that could be a real challenge trying to run the nations second largest government agency. And so there is an acknowledgment really on both sides of pennsylvania avenue that, look, the fact that there is this new hurdle for him to get over is going to make it difficult. Its going to make the confirmation process itself very difficult. When is that confirmation process going to get going again . Thats the big question. Of course he was supposed to have a hearing on capitol hill today. That has been postponed indefinitely. White house Officials Say they want to see it started by mid may. Postponed indefinitely is never a good sign. Kristen welker at the white house thank you very much. An Embattled Environmental Protection Agency head scott pruett will testify tomorrow in front of two committees. The controversy sounding the empattleed epa administrator is fwoun to come up. Now there is another headline he may have to answer. The New York Times reports the head agent of his security detail moonlighted for american media, inc. Whats the big deal in there are restrictions barring federal Law Enforcement personnel from holding outside jobs to avoid conflicts of interests. As the New York Times writes, amis chairman, david j. Pecker is a friend of President Trumps and his publications. The National Enquirer and radar chief among them, have put an emphasis on helping mr. Trump and hurting his rivals, including endorsing his president ial bid. Joining me now is ken vogel, one of the authors of the New York Times piece. Good to see you. Welcome. Hey katy. What is the deal with this. Scott pruett has new controversy every day. Why is this one potentially a big deal as well. This guy, the head of his security detail, was instrumental in clearing the way for some of the spending on travel and other sort of perks of office that have come under scrutiny from both congress and the epa inspector general. There were objections at the agency from senior Staff Members who thought that this type of spending was improper and unnecessary. And this guy, pratta was the guy who both signed off on it and who tried to tamp down on opposition from within the agency. He was successful on that front. At least one of the contracts has now come under skrutny. That for a surveillance sweep for bugs in scott pruetts office was steered by this guy, pratta to an official or a Business Partner of his who works with his outside firm. So you have the merger of the outside employment, which is controversial and something that the federal government tries to restrict, particularly when it comes to federal agents, and scott pruetts spending in a way that is sure to draw additional scrutiny from lawmakers. Pratta dot a waver to have outside employment under the obama administration. Whats the deal with that . Thats correct. He got this waiver in 2013 that allowed him to start a Security Firm that would do a very narrow scope of work, that being mostly related to cyber security. However, what he is advertising on his website a website that does feature this guy how got the 3,000 contract for the security sweep is a much broader array of services, including sort of private intelligence, executive protection, even Background Investigations. And that is something that has piqued the interests of democratic lawmakers who sent a letter to the epa demanding answers. Even trey gowdy, chairman one of the committees that has oversight over the epa expressed interest in his role and asked that the epa provide mr. Perrotta and four other epa officials to the committee to answer questions. The other story thats bubbling today is mulvaney, Donald Trumps budget director talking before bankers and saying if you want to get influence with lawmakers, facetime with lawmakers you have got to pay themmer mo, basically saying pay to play is totally fine. Ken, donald trump campaigned against this. He talked about how he would pay to play and get lawmakers to kiss his a he actually said those words. Any indication that the president is unhappy with the budget director or is this thing totally fine . You would have to think he would be. That said we have any number of officials within his cabinet including pruett and some folks who have already got ten boot like tom price who did do things that sort of embodied the swamp that he pledged to drain. And this administration, i guess you could call it, by mulvaney is the type of thin we sort of suspect and sometimes we are able to peel back sort of pull back the curtain on and show as reporters but its not the type of thing that you should go out there and voice and articulate to lobbyists even though many of them understand thats the way it works. That is a faux pas even by the trump administration. We voted for him on a number of ideas, and this idea that politics was broken because people could pay their way in. Donald trump was saying im going to stop that. Now it seems perfectly okay for member of his own administration to go out there and all but brag about that being the way business works even as donald trump is president. Ken vogel New York Times political reporter. Ken thank you for coming on. I appreciate it. Thanks katy i enjoyed it. To more staffing troubles for the easy president s cabinet. His nominee for cia director gina haswell is meeting with joni ernst. Haswell is tied to harsh interrogation techniques. Following all of the action from capitol hill is msnbcs garrett haake. Pompeo got through the committee. Et cetera a likely he issing go to be made secretary of state. What sort of hurdle hads should we expect gina haswell to come across in this process. A small bit of news. I am told by the cia she is not meeting with ernst today. She has to do her day job currently as one of the deputy directors of the cia. She face as similar set of problems and a similar Political Landscape to mike pompeo but with a couple of differences. Democrats are skeptical about her record. She has not been a public figure in the past. She has been tied in various ways to the enhanced interrogation policies of the Bush Administration after 9 11. Specifically her environment in socalled black sites and potential involvement in covering up things that cia officers may have done during that time. I say may and potential and im very careful in the way i describe this because the real problem for gina haswell is that so money of this remains classified it means that senators cant even discuss it in what would otherwise be an open confirmation hearing. That has democrats and even some republicans frustrated at this point. Because so much of her record and her backgrounds, what would theoretically be her qualifications for the top job at the skrai is something they cant talk about. In developments today, a number of democrats senator on the Intel Committee sent a letter to the cia asking for some of the informing to be declassified. The cia essentially said we will let you review it but we will not declassify it broadly because it could put our people, our sources and methods in danger. What you might see is essentially a proxy fight over methods that the cia may or may not have used more than a decade ago being played out on gina haspel who will be getting her public introduction to the country no sooner than her confirmation hearing. Rand paul said he would be a no forrer had. He also said he would be a no for pompeo. Should we expect a phone call from the president will change pauls opinion on this as well . Paul has been asked about this. This is a question whether this diminishes his credibility as an opponent of the president on some of the issues he has cared deeply about in the past as a libertarian about civil liberties, enhanced interrogation. I suspect if he continues to hold out in the same way we might see more pressure from the president. He is not on the committee here. He had more say in the nomination of pompeo than he will for haspel. Pauls vote on the tloor could be important but you might also see a similar scenario where you have a couple of democrats willing to vote for haspel and it may make pauls vote on the floor irrelevant. Coming up, where will the Supreme Court stand . For the first time the court is hearing arguments over President Trumps controversial travel ban rgt at thatting people from many muslim majority countries. Hawaii Lieutenant Governor doug chin who has challenged all three versions of the president s ban joins me right after the break to weigh in. You are watching msnbc. Owners always seem so happy . Because theyve chosen the industry leader. Subaru forester holds its value better than any other vehicle in its class according to alg. Better than crv. Better than rav4. Better than rogue. An adventure that starts with a Subaru Forester will always leave you smiling. Get 0 apr financing on the 2018 Subaru Forester. Sometimes you need an expert. I got it. 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We will continue to challenge him as long as all americans, including new americans, are treated with equal dignity and equal fairness. That was gold star father khan whose some was killed in iraq. He spoke outside the Supreme Court. As the high court took up a challenge to the latest version of trumps controversial travel ban which he signed last september. A decision is expected by the end of june. The order put restrictions on visas for travelers from iran, libya, syria, somalia, yemen and north korea as well as some government officials from venezuela. Chad was part of the proclamation but was removed after the white house said it met new visa requirements. This version just like the two previous versions was blocked by federal judges but the Supreme Court allowed the administration to enforce the order while the legal fight is underway. White House Press Secretary sarah Huckabee Sanders had this to say in the past hour. Without the ability to impose entry restrictions, the United States may be forced to unsuspectingly allow dangerous criminals or terrorists into the country. Additionally, without the restrictions Foreign Governments have little incentive to improve their information sharing and Identity Management practices. The focus of this travel ban has been on safety and security. It is limited to a small number of countries. Doug chen is hawaiis lptd govern. As the states attorney general he challenged all three versions of the ban and he was at the Supreme Court for todays arguments. Lieutenant governor, thank you so much for being there. You were there inside court . You were able to get an ear on it in a way that we could not. What is your opinion of how the justices seem to be leaning . It was very active. Eight out of the nine justices, everyone except Justice Thomas asked good questions on both sides. And i can tell you one thing, its going to be a split decision. And it will all boil down to where the middle of the road justices end up deciding. Solicitor general francisco told the court this was a different version than the other two versions. Lets listen to how he described it. It is different than past proclamations but it is typical in the sense that it seeks to identify harmful conduct that a Foreign Government is engaging in. And then it imposes sanctions in order to pressure that government to change. Thats what president carter did rapt to iran, what president reagan did with respect to a. Here the harmful conduct is the failure to provide with us that minimum baseline of information. Lieutenant governor im sorry, the solicitor general is obviously arguing in favor of the travel ban on behalf of the administration. What is your response to that argument there . Heres the biggest difference of all. Both the carter and reagan order had end dates. This is a permanent indefinite travel ban that has no endate whatsoever. So thats the concern is that what the president has done is taken what we described as an iron wrecking ball to the immigration code that congress put out thats really congresss prerogative in terms of deciding what who can come into the country and who cannot. So that was our objection. And thats how we responded to solicitor general francisco. The government argues this is not a ban on religion. It is a ban on a country that has dangerous practices in place or lacking practices in place in terms of vetting or being able to offer materials on the people that are coming into the country. From a lot of folks that were inside the court today it seemed to them that the justices maybe were leaning more in favor of upholding this ban than they could have been for the past versions of the ban. And walking a way from this idea that is a muslim ban and trying to make it more focused on the countries themselves. Are you concerned that your argument not going to be as strong with these justices as it would have been for the others . We cited too Supreme Court precedent that each members this court looked to where they said the actual standard that you look at isnt just what the actual people have done but its actually what does a reasonable observer think if they are looking at what happened here. What we are arguing is that a reasonable observer, if they look at what trump said on the campaign trail but even after he was president and even after the third travel ban was filed, what would they think about this type of ban . And our concern was that there were so many antimuslim statements that were made, even antiislamic videos that President Trump tweeted just days after the third travel ban came out. Doug chin, Lieutenant Governor of hawaii, thank you very much. We are following breaking news out of california where authorities are talking right now about a major breakthrough in a famous decadesold cold case. It involves the socalled Golden State Killer who was reportedly blamed for 12 killings and 45 rapes from 1976 to 1986 and the new suspect is a former cop. Moments ago, officials acknowledged how long this case has deeply affected the entire state. Over these years, hundreds of individuals have sought justice for these victims and their families. Many have dedicated their virtual entire professions to seeking this answer. For many of us, it was more than a professional commitment. It became personal. Nbc newss Steve Patterson is live in los angeles. Steve, what happened . How did they come to this new suspect and get to this point . Katy, this presser is still ongoing. I want to note you off to that. I have you in my left here and the presser in my right ear. Just listening in, this is obviously huge, huge day for Law Enforcement in the entire state of california. You are talking about central, northern, southern. This serial killer led a reign of terror from the late 70s to 80s. You would leave your car unlocked, let your kids play outside at all hours of the night and that all changed in 76 with the first killings. This Golden State Killer, east area rapist as hes known, known for upwards of 50 rapes, 120 burglaries and 12 murders. Police do believe they have the man now responsible in custody at this time. He was taken in last night in sacramento. They said they were searching for a needle in a hay stack essentially and that needle was in the place that they originally started searching back this the lite 70s. They identified 72yearold joseph james dangelo. He was arrested i dont have night. Two counts of murder for a couple in 1978. But, again, you are talking about a span of murders, rapes, and burglaries stretching the entire state of california for ten years. Then, as you just reported, as you mentioned, its known to police that this guy became a Police Officer in nearby sort of suburban sacramento until he was kicked off the force in 1979 for shoplifting. Wow. So he was not only not only was he a Police Officer, but he was one during the active spree, while it was happening. I sort of had started working on this story about two years ago in 2016, the fbi reopened the case. There was a flood of new information that came out. The fbi put up billboards. They released packets of information the reporters. They put it on Digital Media and sort of searches on twitter and facebook and instagram and the one thing that came out of that is that eventually, based on what we are doing now, we are going to catch this guy. And they believe them him in right now. Katy. Wow. Steve patterson, just wow. Thank you very much. You got it. Coming up, is the gop losing steam at the polls . Republican debby lessco may have won arizona especially Congressional Election but she did it very a very slim margin, in deep red trump country. Will democrats keep the momentum going and seize on what might be a sign of more republican losses to come in november . Plus, he gained fame with this video of him confronting arizona senator jeff flake over the tax bill. And it went viral. Ed ay barkin then launch advocator Mobilization Campaign targeting lawmakers up for reflex who voted yes on the tax bill. Joins me next. Your letting go thing. Your sorry not sorry thing. Your out with the old in with the new, onto bigger and better thing. Get the live tv you love. No bulky hardware. No satellite. No annual contract. Try directv now for 10 mo for 3 months. More for your thing. Thats our thing. Visit directvnow dot com theres nothing more important than your health. 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Vaughn, here is a headline from the arizona republic, the biggest newspaper in the state. Debby besko wins the state, leaves republicans anxious about the fall. There is nine congressional seats. The neighboring district, donald trump won that one by ten points, half of what he won here in this district. Democrats were looking to pick six or seven of those congressional districts. Kasie hunt has some concerns. Everybody talks about once you win you are a congressman. Doesnt matter by how much you win. Does it give you any fear going into november that republicans are going to bible to keep the house. I dont think so. There is a lot of time. Somebody once told me that a week is a lifetime in politics. And we are talking about months. Everybody well aware as a republican that it is going to be a very challenging political environment in november. And i think these special Election Results reinforce that challenge. There is an engagement among voters here katy that we saw on the ground in the west valley. Here i toll you this yesterday, the democrats never had a field office, no operations here. In fact they have tripled the number of activists on the undertro. Had he you are seeing that in a place like cda that is a concern to uns re. This was a place they didnt think they would have to play. Rnc put in 1 pld to protect this seat alone. It was just five percentage points, and the republican is far from being an offensive figure like the republicans put the blame on in alabama. Why did the democrats not put more money into this race . Are they regretting this. A month ago they had a vickly with connor lastminute in pa 18. Tipper nene didnt massacre aid as being more conservative be that she was or playing to the trump base. She said she was for universal health care access. She she was against 26 billion of spend for the wall. And a week ago there were a few people shaking their head. But debby lesko liked to say she doesnt fit the district. She said no, i do. Im here going to protect Social Security and she went on what was generally a progress i have message trying to make the case to the Republican Voters and moderates that that progressive message is the best for them. Look how well it played even though she didnt win. Vaughn hillyard in arizona. One of the reasons the arizona race was so competitive may be my next guest. He says he helped raise more than 100,000 for dr. Tipper nene and her campaign through his group be a hero fund activist. Addy barkin who is battling als started to to elect candidates who will protect health care and he shared his story about why it means so much to him. Addy confronted jeff flake about his vote for the tax bill last year and has participated at many sitins at the capitol. He has been a frequent guest of this show and joins us ten. Im honored i get to talk to you today. Ill glad im filling in for ali on this of all days. First of all how are you feeling about the results in arizona . I know dr. Tipperniny didnt win but she narrowed the margin. Im feeling great. Great to meet you katy. Thanks for having me on. It is a special election. There are 435 elections in november. And this is an amazing bellwether. Trump won by 21. Lesko won by five. You carry that over to november, like 120 or 140 ace races up for grabs. Could she have won this if the National Democratic party put more money into her campaign . I think she could have. I think it was a big missed opportunity. I think if we want to take seriously the idea that we are going to elect women and people of color and immigrants to congress, then they need to invest here just like they did with lamb and their candidate in georgia. They spend 40 million and barely did better. Tipperniny was a brave progressive candidate and an amazing woman. We should have invested in her. Im glad that i was able to help raise money and push. I hope she runs again in november. And i hope folks all around the country want a Progressive Congress invest in this project with me and volunteer and get their friend to volunteer so we can win a lot of races. Who are you focused on next . Well, i think there is a bunch of important republicans that we need to take out. We need to take out racists like peter king. We need to make sure we take paul ryans seat in wisconsin because of what he stands for. There are amazing progressives in texas and california and michigan. But the real thing in there that i want to convey to americans is that every seat should be up for grabs. And they can organize and build power in a democratic small d democratic way that says we can all be heroes if we take responsibility for this democracy. Its not up to the democrats in washington or in the state capital. Its up to you. So im asking folks to pledge at be a hero fund. Com to do that, to be active citizens. Our democracy is under threat and this is our opportunity the take it back. Do you mean peter king of long island . Thats right. I think he has been attacking imfwrants immigrants for so long and its time to replace him. Not steve king of iowa . Hes pretty racist, too. I would love the take them both out. Thank you for coming on. We appreciate it. Happy birthday to our son. Turns 2 next month, right. Thats right. We are going to have a blowout bash. Watch for the cute videos on my twitter feed. I will truth absolutely do that. Thank you very much. You can learn more about the be a hero fund. Com at that wbts. Up necks, facebook releases its internal guidelines on how it decides what content to leave up and what content to take down, including bullying hate speech, and nudity. Is this effort to be more transparent a good move by the social media giant . A facebook investor and former mentor to Mark Zuckerberg joins me next. Aturally begins to change which may cause trouble with recall. 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He is also an early and current facebook investor and an early mentor to Mark Zuckerberg. Roger, it is great to see you. Do they go far enough. Katy no, obviously they dont. But every incremental disclosure is good news. What is going on here, is on may 25th the European Union puts in place the Global Data Protection plan, essentially a bill of rights for users relative to their own data. What facebook is doing ands adopting some of the disclosure and content management things which essentially is the low hanging fruit of data protectioning arelation. The reality is that putting it in the terms of service wont help. They have a thing against hate speech in myanmar and sri lanka. They have noable to enforce those terms of service. The reality is in the United States even they have never shown any ability to regulate hate speech or any of those things. Talk about low hanging fruit, though, roger. Now, suddenly, terrorist activity is no longer allowed on facebook . That was allowed before . The critical point here is on facebook the basic rule is if whatever you do increases their profits, you are pretty much allowed to do it until the pressure becomes really intense. So i mean facebook the whole thing with respect to user data leaking out to Cambridge Analytic and other applications, that was not an accident. Those things were all part of the business process. This whole issue of allowing disinformation and fake news, those things are all really good for the business. And thats what the problem is here. Its why we have to keep the pressure up. Because the hearings in congress were a step forward but we are not actually any closer today to a solution than we were a month ago. And we really need one because we have elections coming up in november. And facebook has done next to nothing to protect us. Lets get realistic roger, is there any way to fix this . I mean facebook is so large. It reaches billions of users. It would be hard for any one company to police that sort of content in a quick manner i man. Im not a coder, so i imagine am i wrong . No, i actually think you are totally correct. In fact, i believe that this company is too large to be managed. As a consequence, i think one of the smart things we can do both for shareholders and for the good of the whole world is to break it into smaller components. Huh. There is a press department for that with the at t antitrust case. When you say break it into smaller components what exactly due mean . Right now they have instagram, whats app, they have facebook. They shouldnt be allowed to coexist and i think around the world there is an argument for breaking up facebook by territory so it can bemer managed. Roger, thank you very much. Good to see you. Rapper meek mill is a free man today after the pennsylvania Supreme Court ordered him released on bail. 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Donald trump said whenever he wanted something done he would give a lawmaker money and they would have to kiss his a. Those are words he said. What do you think of this . You know, look, this is a form of corruption that has now become so thorough, so deep, so in the dna of these people that theyre not even embarrassed about it. Theyre not even ashamed. Mick mulvaney stood up in front of 1300 bankers, knew that the media was there and said, hey, this is how it worked in my office. Pay to play. And if you dont want to pay, you dont get to play. Thats what corruption is all about, and thats why people all across this country are so furious with congress, with this administration, with a government that just keeps working better and better for those who can pay, but not for anyone else. Senator, does the president not know about had . I imagine if he did know about it, considered how he campaigned, he would be upset with his budget director. You know, look, i dont know whether the president knows about it or not. But he should sure know about it by now, and that means one of two things is true. Either he puts calls Mick Mulvaney in and gets rid of him in this job, or the president says in effect, okay by me. But thats the fundamental question. Just exactly how much corruption does donald trump want to put up with, how much corruption is there going to be in this government before people around this country just say, weve had enough. We just cant do this any more. You cant run a government where the lobbyists who pay money are the ones who get heard and the people dont. Senator mulvaney seems to be single handedly dismantling the agency you started in 2010. Here is what hes done in the few months since hes taken offer. He scaled back an investigation into the equifax data breach, which exposed the information of more than 145 million americans. Stripped Enforcement Powers from the office of fair lending, and equal opportunity, the unit responsible for pursuing discrimination cases. Scrapped a lawsuit against four kansas pay lenders that allegedly sold millions of dollars from Consumers Bank accounts. Reporting from vox and the New York Times he got more than 60,000 from pay day lenders when he was a lawmaker. Uhhuh. How does this affect regular voters . Mick mulvaney is in a place where he can touch the lives, and his decisions do touch the lives of every Single Person in this country. Everybody with a checking account, everybody with a credit card, everybody with a mortgage, everybody that has to turn to a pay day lender. Everybody whos got a student loan. Its Mick Mulvaney is right at the head of the agency, an agency whose sole job is to make sure American Families dont get cheated, dont get trapped. Giant Financial Institutions dont get to build their Business Models around cheating people. And now what Mick Mulvaney is doing, hes doing everything he can to keep that agency from doing its job, to rein it in, to pull it back. He has not, as far as we know, started any new investigations for the last four months since hes been there. Hes doing what he can to keep the agency from working for the American People. Now, my view on that is hes saying he doesnt want to be held accountable. Then we need to hold all of our elected officials accountable. Accountable for making this government run for the people instead of running, as Mick Mulvaney wants to do it, for the pay day lenders and big banks and others who are the lobbyists who have given him money through the years. Thats what i think is going to be on the table in the 2018 election. But ill tell you this. It doesnt just wait until next november. It starts right now. There is a reason to stand up every single day and call out Mick Mulvaney when he does this. Call out Mick Mulvaney and say, you know, pay to play is not okay with us in america. To call out his boss, President Trump, and say, no pay to play in america. Do something about this. Weve got to have peoples voices all across this country. Weve got to say, this is not normal. We are not putting up with this. Senator, if the American People dont like what theyre seeing with Mick Mulvaney, with the president the way things are being run right now, who should they be looking to in 2020 to change things . We cant wait until 2020. I want this to be clear. We have an election coming up in 2018, and the consequence of the democrats getting back in charge of the house and the senate means that we will have some ability to rein in this administration. And try to push some honesty and integrity back into the system. Look, im out there running. Im up in 2018. Ive got a lot of colleagues who are running and what were running on is a basic message that says, give us the chance. Put us in the majority. And we wont be working for the lobbyists who pay. Well be working for the people. Thats our job. Senator elizabeth warren. Senator, thank you very much for joining us. Thank you. And now to huge developments in a story that has become a focal point for critics calling for criminal justice reform, musician meek mill was released from prison while he appeals gun and drug convictions from 2008. And what did he do after he got out . Well, he rang the ceremonial liberty bell replica before sitting court side at his hometown philadelphia 76ers as they beat the miami heat to win their playoff series. Gosh, the playoffs have already started. Time flies. Meek mill has been in prison since november after charges that were dismissed led to a technical violation of his probation. On top of that, the philadelphia d. A. s office said last week the original 2008 conviction should be vacated because of the credibility of a Police Officer in that case. With me now is the reverend mark thompson, host of make it plain on sirius xm, progressive 127. Mark, thanks so much for being here. Thank you. Why is this case garnering so much National Attention . Well, because, you know, meek is a national figure. Hes a rapper, hes a star. And i think he said it best last night. He hopes that his case isnt singled out as just one problem, one case. He laments that others dont have the resources he had to get himself out and thats what hes fighting for and what hes going to continue to advocate for. How did the system fail him here . Well, just like organizations like the Justice League nyc have articulated, we have got to do something about sentencing reform, bail reform, those types of things because they keep people in the system. He should never have been locked up anyway. Think about bail reform and bond. After all, the waffle houts shooter was at first given bond. Meek couldnt even get that. Why do you think that was . Color of his skin obviously. There is a greater and disproportionate criminallization of africanamerican men than it is others and thats whats shameful. With mulvaney, hes breaking the law and nothing is going to happen to him. He pops wheelies and he goes to prison. The league is working closely with meek mill. Have to have a sunset on probation and convictions. In our community we call it being on paper. A lot of times youre on paper for almost the rest of your life and thats absurd. It has to change. So meek mill tweeted after his release, to the philly district attorneys office, im grateful to your commitment to justice. People dont have that luxury and i plan to use my platform to shine a light on those issues. What can he do specifically is this he can speak up for others in the position he is in. As jay z spoke up for him. Bankers can lobby state legislatures to change the sentencing laws, to do bail reform as a matter of fact. Uh these things they can do. They have a very powerful platform to do that as musicians. Mark thompson, i love your tie today. Thank you. Its bright, springy and putting a smile on my face. Thank you for saying that. I got the gray memo. Thing about gray you dont have to worry about lint. It doesnt show. I dont have the precedent to wipe lint off my shoulder. That right there is going to wrap up a busy afternoon for me, two full hours. Allie will ali will be back in the chair tomorrow. In the meantime, my dear friend, star of the hour, deadline white house anchor Nicolle Wallace takes it away right now. With friends like that, wow. Hi, everyone. Its 4 00 in new york. One former senior u. S. Government official today described the botched white house handling of the Ronny Jackson nomination as, quote, leading a lamb to slaughter. Jackson, of course, is the president s pick to head the department of Veterans Affairs. And what began as an embarrassment for the white house has blossomed into a fullblown political and Public Relations crisis. Here are a few of todays headlines jackson who served as Top White House doctor before being tapped to run one of the largest federal bureaucracies. Jackson known as candy man giving drugds to passengers, democrats

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