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her two children, who escaped. april, first of all, i'm glad everybody is okay. how frightening, how panicked was it? >> pretty bad because the winds was pretty high when we left the motel and debris flying into the parking lot. on the way there, like i said, we got to the bridge that was in flames underneath and on the sides. the gas station below it on fire. we literally ran out of gas sitting on the bridge. >> you ran out of gas? >> yes. so the bridge was stopped halfway across the bridge with flames. we finally got an officer to stop to get us out of the vehicle and away from the fire. there was debris flying and hitting the vehicle on fire and the kids screaming, you know, scared to death. >> reporter: and you? >> yeah. we didn't have time to grab the stuff in our car. >> reporter: but everybody got out alive. the despite the fact you said you ran out of gas -- >> the gas station was on fire and under the bridge as well. >> reporter: how do you think you made it out? >> god. >> reporter: god? >> yep. no doubt. >> reporter: well, thank you very much. i know you have a long -- do you know where you're going to go next? >> no. >> reporter: thank you so much. >> thank you. >> reporter: april here with her family. like so many families now sort of caught in between the crisis and panic of the moment and the shock of trying to realize that they have survived, but now what happens next. i'm kerry sanders in pigeon forge at one of the evacuation centers. now back to you. >> oh, kerry, thank you. that was just heartbreaking. we wish our best to all of those folks, especially the family that we just heard from. for more on all of this, i want to bring in lieutenant bill mueller, he's public information officer for the tennessee highway patrol. he joins us by phone. lieutenant, i don't know if you could hear that last exchange with a family trapped on a road, one of your roads, trying to get out of that area. give us an update how many people are still in the area, how many are out and safe? >> well, it's -- to hear the story, it's a very heartbreaking story. our hearts go out to her and all of those who have lost so much. we're still very blessed and thankful to know at this present time there hasn't been anyone killed in this terrible fire. property and belongings, thank god, can be replaced. we're just really blessed everyone made it out alive. we know last night throughout the night troopers and firefighters and law enforcement officers from county and city agencies and first responders from numerous, numerous agencies across the state worked throughout the night. just tirelessly to get everyone evacuated out. they evacuated about 14,000 people through the evening and nighttime hours. that is a tremendous accomplishment when you look at what they were doing and with what was surrounding them, the first responders. we have seen images of our troopers navigating on foot through power lines trying to get people out of very dangerous situations. those power lines have fallen and fire is just very close and nearby surrounding areas. we have experienced troopers cutting trees down with personal chain saws to get roadways clear so emergency responders can get into these people who are trapped. it's just a very horrific, very sad situation we're experiencing in east tennessee. we're still very blessed and very happy to know we have not lost anyone yet due to this fire. >> well, that, indeed, is the silver lining. although these pictures we're looking at are just horrible. bill mueller with the tennessee highway patrol, we appreciate you taking a moment to give us an update. thank you, sir. >> thank you. let's get over to ohio now. this is a press conference at ohio state university. this is referring to yesterday's attack, violent attack, that injured 11 people. we expect to get an update right now from doctors at the hospital there and also from local officials, and, perhaps, hear from one of the victims of that attack yesterday, who has recovered. let's take a listen. >> the incident remains under investigation, therefore, officer horujko will not be available for interviews in the foreseeable future. we ask you respect his privacy. we will hold other briefings, if necessary, as information becomes available and if this is appropriate based on consultation with law enforcement. today we're here to brief you and answer your questions about the status of the patients who were affected by yesterday's incident. we are grateful that one of them is with us here today to tell you about his experience and how he is doing. we will hear in a moment from professor william clark, emeritus professor at ohio state university college of engineering. we appreciate you being here, professor clark. but first, we have dr. andrew thomas, who we heard from yesterday, the chief medical officer of the ohio state university, who is going to share an update. doctor? >> thank you, chris. my name is andrew thomas, chief medical officer for ohio state university medical center. i have an update on a handful of items we discussed yesterday at the press briefings. one of our patients who spent the night in the hospital, one of the four patients, has been discharged. that's a professor, who is sitting next to me he. there is still two patients hospitalized over -- up 315 at riverside methodist hospital and one other patient hospitalized here at the osu wexler medical center. they're doing well. i've communicated in person or by phone with the majority of the individuals and everyone still continues to be healing, obviously, working through the trauma of yesterday's events. but at this point, we're just thankful there appear to be no life-threatening injuries and we expect all the individuals to make a full recovery. happy to take any questions or -- would you like to turn things over to the professor, chris, at this point? >> let's marhear from professor clark. >> i'm professor clark, engineering, housed in watts hall where the incident took place. had actually taught a class a little down the road in evans lab from 8:00 to 9:00. i went back to my office in watts hall, and as one does at that time of day, make coffee. just started it when our building fire alarm went off. so, everybody exited the building. turned out it was a gas leak in some equipment in one of the research laboratories. so, everybody was standing outside. columbus fire department turned up, the columbus police department came with them as well. and firemen in full gear and breathing apparatus went in to check on this leak. after about, oh, probably, 15, 20 minutes, the firemen came out. that's usually a sign they cleared the building and it's about time to go in. i began to walk back a little bit east on west 19th towards the back entrance of watts hall there, which affronts onto that street. and as i was walking, i suddenly hear a shout and then this tremendous crash and it was a silver car, the perpetrator's car, that had mounted the curb and hit a large -- you saw them, probably. one of those large concrete planters on the curb and bounced off. and that did enough damage to stop the car. as it was stopping, i assume because i didn't really see it, as it was stopping it clipped the back of my right leg. and basically flipped me up in the air and i landed on concrete, which at my age is not what you want to do. and so i was there and a little bit dazed. thinking how to get up. and meanwhile, the perpetrator exited the vehicle on the roadside and begun to attack the students. there was a lot of noise and a lot of shouting. however, i got up and with a number of students and some others, made -- started to make progress towards the building to get in the building and hide. and even as i was doing that, before i could get to the back end of the building, only 20 yards away, i heard the three shots that presumably were the ones that officer horujko fired, that took down the assailant. that was it. i went down into the basement of the building, which was, i know very well -- okay. which i know very well. and sat there and one of the students with me said, oh, you're bleeding. and i said, yeah, i got a little blood. he said, no, there were footprints of blood all the way down the hall. at that point, they called one of the mblg -- i think it was the fire department, emergency technicians that came down. they were, fortunately, already on the scene. i was taken from there and transported to osu medical center, where i was extremely well looked after. so, i've just been discharged this afternoon. so, and that's why i have yellow socks on and walking a little slowly. more than i usually do. [ inaudible ] >> no, i never heard the assailant say anything. first of all, my injuries, i say i've got two severe -- two deep lacerations down here just above the right ankle towards the back. and those were closed in the -- in the operating theater in the trauma center. and i also have some severe confusion down the left-hand side of the left leg, which they were concerned might possibly be a fracture. in the tibia or fib yula. because of the amount of swelling they couldn't see the fracture until some time today. so, they, fortunately, determined there is no fracture. it's sort of swollen and bruising. i am extremely stiff. apart from the leg trauma, obviously, you don't do all these rib muscles and everything else much good when you get shot up into the air like that. so, actually more inconvenient. i'm really sore and stiff in the ribs and back. >> at what point did you realize -- [ inaudible ] >> well, when the car -- you know, when the car hit and hit me, i didn't really know what to think. i thought maybe this is a traffic accident. then people started shouting immediately. i couldn't hear what they said but it was panicked shouting. at that point i figured out it was more than just a car accident. [ inaudible ] >> i think -- i'm not sure. i think the two cuts in the leg were actually from the vehicle. i think the vehicle hit the planter, which basically destroyed much of the front end. and my impression is it left a lot of open, jagged metal work there, and it was that that sliced the back of my leg. the twoallel cuts about four or five inches long. [ inaudible ] >> i wasn't -- you know, it happened so fast. i wasn't -- i turned to go back in the building and all of a sudden this bang and this car is there and i get flipped in the air. and, you know, it all happened so fast. i mean, literally -- at least it seemed to me, maybe the time frame is compressed, but it seemed literally within 15 to 30 seconds i heard the shots and it was over. and i didn't look around. i saw, i think, one other student that was hit by the car and flipped up in the air. he was lying on the ground. and -- but i didn't see any of the people who were stabbed because they were off to my -- [ inaudible ] >> well, i think, you know, at this stage until we really know all the facts, i'd prefer to hold judgment, you know. he was an osu student. he was from -- yes, he was from somalia. but he was an osu student. having been a faculty member for 35 years i'm only aware of things to drive students to do things they wouldn't ordinarily do. before i pass judgment on this young man, i would like to see exactly what the circumstances are and exactly why he took the course of action that he chose to. and in the end of the day, as i said earlier, i mean, i'm sore but i'm going home this afternoon and he's dead, so my sense is out of respect just for the living and the dead that we should wait until we know exactly what the truth is. >> what was it like -- [ inaudible ] >> i'm sorry? [ inaudible ] >> my wife drove me there today. my colleagues were in a faculty meeting. watts hall itself wasn't threatened. this was a street accident, street incident. it's unfortunate because of this completely unrelated fire alarm there were a lot of people there. very fortunate he hit this big, concrete planter because that had not been there and he ridden into the curb, he would have mroud in plowed into 40 or 50 people. [ inaudible ] >> i think it's very sad. i think it's very tragic when something like this happens at any university, you know. you know, i decided on a career in universities because, you know, i think there's some sort of calling there. you know, taking young people at 17, 18, you're trying to turn them into functional adults. that doesn't just mean you train them in the classroom. you're also trying to show them how to live life. and so whenever anything like this happens, i think it's absolutely tragic. it's tragic for the people who are hurt, it's tragic for the young man's family and relatives, you know, if they weren't implicated in anything sinister. so, i think it's just -- it's very, very sad. especially on university campuses, of all places. because those are the one places where, you know, you feel that young people should be safe. [ inaudible ] >> i think he got out of the car after he crashed. yes, i heard the crash and then i was on the ground, just trying to get up. there was a little kay yot here. i was on the driver's side of the car, facing towards the rear. and he got out on the driver's side, the other side, and that's where he started attacking people out towards the street. so, all i heard was the shouting and screaming from the people standing there. i didn't hear him say anything at all. [ inaudible ] >> i wasn't aware of separating him from -- there were a lot of people around on the street, and i -- i say by the time the gunshots -- i heard the gunshots, i think he had taken off well down 19th avenue. >> reporter: professor, can you -- [ inaudible ] >> no, i think he was a business manager. i'm an engineering major. it just so happened -- whether he was even in that building at all, because he drove along sxleej turned down there. so, he had no business or any affiliation or anything that went on in there, even though some classrooms are pooled classrooms, which are shared by all kinds of disciplines across the university. so, no, i never had seen him before. >> did you hear anything he was saying -- [ inaudible ] >> you know, to be honest, i mean, that was a kind of screaming but i couldn't but my finger on any specific sentence that anybody said. but, sure, yeah, it sounded like people screaming because they felt threatened by somebody who was armed in some way. [ inaudible ] >> well, sure, i mean, you know, i -- like i said before, i think i would -- i would like to see what all the circumstances are that led to him doing this and all the history that led up to it, what -- where there's an implication with stresses at school or with colleagues because, you know, he graduated from columbus state in the summer, the spring, in the pictures of graduation shows jubilant young man. and so to do this -- this to happen four, five months later, yes, i would be very interested to know what all the circumstances were. [ inaudible ] >> yeah, i'm a professor, i'm a research professor, so i like to make my guesses based on data, i'm afraid. so, no, i -- i don't know. i mean, i'm not going to speculate on whether he did or whether he didn't. there are all kinds of ways something like that could happen, if it did, but until we find out, i think, you know, the fbi and the columbus police and so on is a much better place to do that than me. [ inaudible ] >> well, i mean, i -- anybody can take responsibility for anything if they want, if they see it as a feather in their cap. so, to me, that doesn't necessarily imply they were behind the planning or whatever. [ inaudible ] >> no, because until i know whether or not they were in fact, behind it, until i know this was something to do with a radical group and whether that's the entire story or whether there's some other personal family issues and social issues behind it, you know, i withhold judgment and not make -- [ inaudible ] >> i went down -- we went into the building in watts down into the basement. a lot of rooms in the basement, that i know very well. so probably 20 yards or so. and, you know, my legs were sore but i didn't have any particular pain. i was surprised to see the cut. i was even more surprised to see the footprints. but it bled a lot. [ inaudible ] >> yeah, uh-huh. like somebody taking your legs out from under you, yeah. [ inaudible ] >> well, you know, i have a group of students, the class i'm teaching are a group of students and many of them were standing there when this took place. you know, i'm supposed to meet with them tomorrow. i've canceled that class. i think what we -- just to give them a little time to adjust. because some of them -- i saw them were extremely distraught. and so, i think we may talk a little about it on friday in class just to open it up. i hope people realize, as horrible as this is, this is one of these isolated incidents, in a large community, 50,000, 6 0,000, and things happen on university campuses and campuses are vulnerable because we are an open society so young people can grow up and learn and to a certain amount make mistakes growing up. so, i will tell them, we're still a great university, we still beat michigan, looking at a national championship. we're still in the top 20 in university rankings in the country. and this isn't going to change it. >> reporter: what would you say to the officer -- [ inaudible ] >> you know, i've thought about that. it turns out, my daughter knows him, friends, similar age. to me, if he was here, i would put my arm around him and tell him he has a lot to cope with in the days to come. he has to live with this for the rest of his life. but he did -- he did the right thing. it's what he was trained to do and that's what he did. and who knows. this was -- a lot of people walking around between classes. who knows what other damage this -- this young man would have done. and my understanding is that he was challenged three times to put the knife down and advanced towards the officer and i don't think he had much choice. >> one more question. [ inaudible ] >> yeah. well, yeah. >> i think that's a great question. i know we discussed this a little bit at some of the events yesterday. the event that chris mentioned that's this evening is a part of that healing of trying to bring the community together with student leaders, faculty leaders, administrators and staff leaders to make those next steps towards healing. sometimes this is something that time helps with, but then obviously there are other times when people need additional help. whether it's counseling, time off, whatever it may be. actually, a large part of what i've spent doing in my day today is working with our folks in the office of student life doing outreach to the students that were involved in the incident, making sure they understand the counseling services available, we've been working for the students that were injured, working with their professors, getting them out of exams, out of classes, making sure that notification goes out. it is something that time will help, but i think probably in some ways the entire university has -- will be changed by this in some ways. i think over time, much like any of these crisis that occur, it gets better over time. it gets better because we work together. we are a city within a city, i like to can call it. we have over 50,000 students and tens of thousands of faculty and staff imbedded in a city of well over 1 million people. we are used to coming together. we've had other tragedies on campus in the past, whether it was students or faculty or staff. and i think this is certainly very different one but this is something i'm quite confident we will be resilient and be fine down the road. >> reporter: given the nature of the impact, were you surprised there -- [ inaudible ] >> i think i'll leave it to the law enforcement folks to talk about that. all i'm aware of is what's been discussed in the press. i think certainly thankfully the individual didn't have a gun, i think, is probably the one thing that's a blessing and allowed the sofficer to act before he injured anyone even more severely than he did. also thinking about other venues and things on campus where we have large groups of people, i think this was obviously something that was a unique opportunity with students standing on the sidewalk. i do have a statement to read. one of the students who was injured has given us a written statement she asked to have read at this press conference. this is from an undergraduate student by the name of katie schultz, spelled s-c-h-u-l-t-z. quote, my family and i appreciate everyone's concern about my well-being. right now i'm focused on my recovery and my family is providing me with the support and love that i need during this difficult time. we're thankful i was not seriously injured and we thank -- and we thank emergency responders for ending the situation as quickly as possible. we request privacy and are declining all media requests for interviews. that's the end of the statement. >> we appreciate you guys coming in today. >> reporter: can the university confirm the suspect's major? >> we don't -- >> i don't have that information. >> we don't have that information. >> the student i read the statement for? oh, professor? >> clark, c-l-a-r-k. [ inaudible ] >> we've been listening to a press conference at ohio state university, columbus, ohio. you've been listening to dr. andrew thomas, chief medical officer at osu, and before that was professor clark, a man injured yesterday by chance. he was standing outside after a fire alarm went off, was standing out on the pavement when that car came up over the curb and hit him in the leg. you heard him describe being injured and bleeding, but thankfully he's all right. he's been released from the hospital. he says he just has some bruises, contusions and cuts on his legs. the most dramatic thing we heard is he said, first off, that he never heard the assailant say anything. he never heard the suspect say anything at all. he said that within 15 or 20 seconds, to his recollection, that suspect was down, shot by an officer who just happened to be close by. and you heard him choke up when he described that officer. he was asked about the police officer who fired those shots. he said, if he were here, i'd put my arms around him. he also said that he had heard the officer challenge the man three times to put the knife down before firing any shots. and he was asked at length about the man who did all of this, who we now know to be abdul razak ali artan. when asked about him, he said, i'm not going to speculate. i'm not going to get out there in front of what we know. he said, i'm sore but i'm going home this afternoon. this man is dead. out of respect for the living and the dead, i will withhold my judgment. that coming from professor william clark. let's go to kevin tibbles, who's on scene there at ohio state university. kevin, what do we know about the state of the investigation now into this young man, who's deceased now, but why this man happened in the first place? >> reporter: well, kate, the fbi has been on the scene since last evening, as have local police here so far what has come out is something that is on social media, which is so often the case in instances such as this. this young man did make some statements on social media, on facebook posting some things prior to taking his relative's car and then doing what he's accused of doing outside the engineering complex here at the osu. essentially, there was a bit of a rant that he made on facebook, but there was another document that was found that essentially talks about a lone wolf attack and also refers to complaining about the fact or the allegation that the united states is meddling in muslim countries. now, obviously, as you heard the professor say, there is still a long way to go in the investigation as to whether or not this can be deemed an act of terrorism. obviously, to those who were involved yesterday, anything along those lines could be deemed an act of terrorism in one way or another. but as to whether or not this young man had any ties to any other group or any other people with regards to this sort of thing, that simply has not come out as of yet. and i think the professor put it best, really, when he said that, you know, this is a very open community. i would also like to add that many moms and dads have their kids in this community and this really is the sort of thing that shakes up a place like ohio state, as it would anywhere. and they've got security plans put in place, kids are back in school today but obviously, it will take some time to get over this. in fact, they do have some counseling sessions taking place here today, kate. >> in fact, that's what the doctor was describing from the medical center there, that they're doing a lot of outreach today to make sure those who were injured, those who were involved, the students in professor clark's class, for example, that they all get the mental health care they need right now. kevin tibbles outside in columbus, ohio, thanks so much. after the break, watching those big gold elevators at trump tower, a pair of new cabinet announcements today. who are they and how closely one is connected to mitch mcconnell, the senate leader, up next. 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>> reporter: kate, i think you can look at the selection of elaine chao and tom price as indications that donald trump is serious about following through on two campaign pledges. first, the $1 trillion plan to revitalize the nation's infrastructure, to repair it, to make our roads and bridges better. elaine chao will play a very important role in that plan as secretary of transportation. she comes to the administration with lots of washington experience. she was department transportation secretary for george hmpkts w. bush, the secretary of labor for george w. bush, and most importantly, to donald trump's plans for that $1 trillion he needs congress to approve. she is married to senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. you expect elaine chao to play a big role in that infrastructure plan. then on the issue of congressman tom price, he's an orthopedic surgeon. he represents the northern suburbs of atlanta. and as you say, he has been a very outspoken critic about obamacare, saying that prices have gone up way too much and choice has gone down and that is not right. he's not just been a critic of obamacare aside from repealing it, he's also offered suggestions to replace it. so, again, the trump campaign trying to follow through on that promise to repeal and replace obamacare. now, two sightings within the half hour. tennessee senator bob corker, who's been mentioned as a potential secretary of state candidate, he came out. he said he had very good meetings with the president-elect. he said he has a decision to make and he has to find somebody he is comfortable with. he has to find somebody who he feels there is no daylight between him, the president-elect, and his secretary of state. also leaving within the last five minutes, billionaire investor wilbur ross, spoken about as a potential candidate for commerce secretary. >> it is a busy day at trump tower. anne thompson, appreciate it. let's get a closer look at congressman tom price and what his selection for secretary of health and human services means for the future of obamacare. joining me now, dylan scott, washington correspondent for stat, which is a national publication that focuses on health care issues. dylan, anne just touched on this, representative price pretty outspoken critic of obamacare. earlier this month he praised trump's commitment to, quote, fully repealing this failed law. what can he do on day one to obamacare? >> on day one there is one big action price and the trump administration can take place. there's a lawsuit going on in which price is suing predecessor sylvia burwell over these payments the government makes to insurance plans in order to keep insurance affordable for the people who buy coverage through the affordable care act. and if price and the trump administration were to back out of that lawsuit on day one and stop defending it, it would make the obamacare insurance market untenable going forward. that's one big action they could take right off the bat. >> anne mentioned this. price has actually introduced a plan in congress previously to repeal and replace obamacare. it was called the empowering patients' first act. walk us through. what did that do is that sort of an outline for what we might expect? >> it certainly fits the conservative model for replacing obamacare. one is the most conservative way to repeal and replace obamacare. when it comes to a wide range of policies that republicans have talked about for a long time. high-risk pools for the sickest people, softening obamacare requirements that insurance cover people with pre-existing conditions or not charge older people and sicker people far more than younger and healthier people. price's plan is the most conservative take on how to replace that. he wants to switch obamacare subsidies, which right now pay people based on their income to pay people based on age. so, it would be a significant overhaul. while he certainly won't be writing legislation as hhs secretary, it gives you some sense of the philosophy the trump administration is going to have. >> talk to me about the future of medicare. so many americans care about that. trump said during the campaign he would not make cuts to medicare but my understanding is price has actually said republicans are eyeing major changes to medicare, right after the election he said this, prior to his selection as hhs secretary. so, what happens to medicare? >> that's the biggest question right now, i think. the obamacare fight is going to be huge, but if republicans are serious about overhauling medicare, that's going to be a huge fight. as you pointed out, price said in the days after the election that he thinks the new congress should overhaul medicare. he's a supporter of house speaker paul ryan's plan to push the program toward a voucher-based system where instead of traditional medicare, people would receive a check from the government in order to purchase private health insurance. but, again, as you said, president trump is a bit unorthodox when it comes to health policy and how that aligns with what republicans have talked about for a long time. he said he didn't -- during the campaign that he didn't want to touch medicare. so, how they resolve those differences is going to be fascinating. >> thanks for being with us. appreciate it. >> thank you. up next, in case you haven't had enough elections for one lifetime, there's one happening tomorrow. democrats in the house will vote for their leadership. is minority leader nancy pelosi in trouble? 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how many people are on your side in this fight against pelosi right now? >> well, we're within striking distance. i think a lot of people are going to be surprised on wednesday at the number. >> that was msnbc kasie hunt on capitol hill catching up with tim ryan, who is taking on nancy pelosi tomorrow in a race for who will lead the house democrats. much more on that after a quick break. but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do? drive three-quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement™, you'd get your whole car back. i guess they don't want you driving around on three wheels. smart. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, we'll replace the full value of your car. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. when a moment spontaneously turns romantic, why pause to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, or adempas for pulmonary hypertension, as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long-term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, or any symptoms of an allergic reaction, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis and a $200 savings card. right here in new york city, one-third of public school students will actually drop out before graduating. kids who drop out are then eight times as likely to become incarcerated and three times more likely to be unemployed. city new york is a committee looking to change those. this is part of our giving tuesday. we're joined by, on this givinging tuesday, by ty reeves, one of the instructors at city year and erica hamilton, city year's vice president and executive director. so happy to have you ladies in the studio yoe. thanks for coming in. for people who aren't in new york, maybe they don't know so much about the program. what's the point? >> it's a national educational nonprofit. our focus is helping all students succeed. we do that by recruiting thousands of young people like ty to go into schools and serve as tutors and mentors for kids in high poverty areas to stay on track and stay in school. >> you've been doing this for a couple years now? >> yes, this is my second year. >> what's it like? >> it's phenomenal. you get to work with students one-on-one and intentionally you get to create spaces for intelligence. it's incredible. >> what age kids do you work with? >> i work in the middle school in queens. >> that's like the hardest grades ever, right? >> yes. a lot of transformation happening for them and us. >> and how do you keep them in school? how do you keep them from skipping days or missing days and then eventually graduating? how do you do that 1234. >> yeah. we have wonderful people like ty who basically work in schools during the daytime. they help with tutoring, they help making sure kids stay well behaved. they serve as basically positive near-peer role models and mentors for students. then they run after-school programs to keep kids out of trouble when the school day ends. >> you're pretty young, do they like that? do they like the energy that city year brings? >> yes. i think that's what makes city year unique is the peer-to-peer relationship, near peer-to-peer, i should say. the student love it because we're just old enough to know enough and been where they are and also old enough to know what's to come and how to prepare for that successfully. >> how do you recruit people like ty? do they come from all over the country? >> all over the new york. about half come from new york and about half of them come from outside new york. they're very diverse. about 50% of our core people of color so we're diverse ethnically and about 880% are college graduates. >> i'm a big fan, we were talking on the commercial break, i'm a big fan of mentoring. i was on the board of big brothers & big sisters. on this day, giving tuesday, i feel like people are paying attention today to some of their options. would it be easy for people to get involved? >> yes, very easy. if you're a young person, we encourage you to apply to become a ty, to work in the school every day. >> become a ty. >> that's our new hashtag. >> if you are someone who is not as young as him, more in my generation, come out and we do wonderful days where we beautify schools and create places where we want to learn and engage this. go to our website and learn more about the education crisis. >> give me a story. just one. you must have millions of a kid. >> i have a student in my seventh grade class and she was is den gauged and distracted and at the end of the year, she was so far advanced she was helping peers in the classroom. >> it was sort of individual person by person. this was nitty-gritty and looking at a child in a high poverty community and tayloring your approach. >> i have to think ty is a role model. if you can do that, i can too. where do do you go from here? >> hopefully still doing service. >> teaching is on the horizon for sure. >> i appreciate it. appreciate the break. tim ryan is taking on nancy pelosi for the top spot with house democrats tomorrow. he is within striking distance of winning. i want to bring in congressman eric from california from washington. congressman, i know you disagree. you are supporting nancy pelosi in the battle for house leadership, but i was talking with tim ryan not too long ago and he said it's time for change. he said why not bring in somebody who knows the very voters who backed donald trump and didn't go democrat. why not a breath of fresh air after 14 years of nancy pelosi? >> i'm a living example of a breath of fresh air. i came to congress in my early 30s and had student load debt and leader pelosi asked me to start future form and listened to millennials and have written to lift an entire generation out of student loan debt. she nominated me to be the youngest number of the leadership team. she will be reelected tomorrow because she has given opportunities to younger members newscast congress. >> who is the voice of the democratic party right now? >> leader pelosi. she has done this before and she did this as the opposition leader and brought us to the majority. with voices and hands across the country, we will be back in the majority. >> do you think she has trouble tomorrow securing her leadership position? tim ryan said she is within striking distance. >> i know she contacted almost every member of the caucus and listened to the concerns and want to make sure we are all up and that's why she will earn the trust and confidence. >> she wins by a big majority? >> yes. >> the green party has asked for recounts in a couple of states, in pennsylvania and wisconsin and possibly michigan as well. paul ryan on a radio show called the recount a ridiculous fund-raising and publicity stunt. >> donald trump told the country that the elections were going to be rigged and he said that millions of people illegally voted. we want to know if the elections indeed were credible. i don't know why anyone would oppose a constitutionally allowed recount. >> how will you work with president-elect trump? >> we will defend the progress we made with the affordable care act and climate change and wall street reform and be open minded to what he wants to do with transportation and infrastructure. if that means giveaways to corporations and not truly investing in the roads, bridges, and tunnels, i don't see an opportunity here. he did talk a lot about getting money out of politics. if he is sincere, i know there is a democratic party that wants to reform citizens unite and move to a more, i would say, citizen-matched publicly financed campaign system. >> you mentioned roads, tunnels and bridges. elaine chow named as transportation secretary. could you work with her in congress to get infrastructure improvements going? >> i respect her, but i will say donald trump again told the country he was going to drain the swamp and now as president-elect trump, he refilled the swamp with recycled water. most of his cabinet are former or current washington insiders. he is saying one thing and doing another. >> congressman eric from california, appreciate it. >> new details about that recount in pennsylvania. a hearing will be held december 5th in harrisburg. plus, coming up, donald trump and flag burning. he think you should lose your citizenship and a year in jail. a closer look at where that comes from. to folks out there whose diabetic nerve pain... shoots and burns its way into your day, i hear you. to everyone with this pain that makes ordinary tasks extraordinarily painful, i hear you. make sure your doctor hears you too! i hear you because i was there when my dad suffered with diabetic nerve pain. if you have diabetes and burning, shooting pain in your feet or hands, don't suffer in silence! step on up and ask your doctor about diabetic nerve pain. tell 'em cedric sent you. ♪ everything your family touches sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox. do you have thecare? 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