and the arson arrest that he had in early '90. >> and this afternoon nbc learned from court documents he had a history of extreme erratic behavior and mental problems. including bipolar disorder. officials say all patients are expected to make a recovery. and the two women who lost their lives. are 21-year-old mayci breaux and june thompson. >> she told me not to care what other people think. and taught me how to be a good person. she was my rock. >> let's go live now to lafayette where e we find nbc's craig melvin whose joining us. >> reporter: we are expecting another update on the investigation here 5:00 local time. 6:00 eastern. during that news conference we hope a learn a little more about precisely why. that is the million dollar question right now. not just why did he open fire but why here in lafayette? at this point it does not appear he had any immediate direct connection to the city. he was living in a nearby motile 6 motel 6. the shooter appears to have a posted numerous radical messages on the internet ranging in topics as islamic fundamentalism, domestic terrorism and gay rights. the comments were at times antisemitic. they were antigovernment. and in of the those comments we can also tell you expressed an interest in white supremacy groups. and houser also wrote about lone wolf acts of violence several times. we'll have more on that in just a moment with the fbi profiler clintonen van zandt. right now i want to bring in jacob brew saturdayoussard. he was in the theater across the hall when the attacks took place. first, how are you holding up? >> i'm good. glad to be out of there. >> reporter: describe the scene for me last night when the fire alarms went off inside. >> last night we were about 10 minutes into our movie. and all of a sudden we were told over the loud speakers to exit the building as quickly as we could. and initially we had no clue how serious the situation was. we didn't know what was going on. t and when we got outside immediately all you could hear was sirens all around and all you saw were cop cars just coming in. we exited through the back of the building and when we got to the front there was a woman laying down who had been shot in the leg. and there were people attending to her. there are cops going to the front door with large assault rifles and it was then we figured out there was a guy inside shooting. so it was a crazy, crazy experience. crazy scene. >> did the police interview you shortly thereafter? >> well this happened probably around 7:30 last night. and we didn't get to leave until about 10:30, 11:00. got home around 11:00 because the police had to talk to everybody. it was a long process, a lot of waiting involved. >> jacob, we're glad you are okay. thank you for your time. >> yes, sir, thank you. >> reporter: i'm joined now here by lafayette city council keith patter. thank you for your time. first of all how is your community coping? how are they handling o all of this? >> well it is only day one. and i think in issues like this it is going to take a lot of dialogue for people to come to some resolution and acceptance. and for some of it may never come. especially my heart goes out for those who lost loved ones and had family members that were injured. it is tragic. it is unfathomable. this is a small community. we're close knit. we do have some big city type of issues which people could claim. but we've never had any kind of senseless random act of violence to this extent. >> i want to talk to you about two things. the first of which comes from news conference that wrapped up in phenix, alabama a short time ago where the shooter had been living for a while. he talked about mental illness and the cuts that have been made in mental illness and how that could very well have been a factor in all of this. the other thing i want to talk to you about are guns. you and i both know in louisiana they love their guns. there are a lot of guns in louisiana and more than that, gun violence more prevalent hear than in other states in this country. mental illness and guns with regards to what happened here, what is your take? >> it is a very convoluted situation. mental illness now through -- is -- we're noticing it more. we're seeing it more. i don't know if it is a result of budget cuts on that end. but it is -- you know convoluted to the extent where that falls under hipaa rules and regulars. and you can't -- you can't discuss people's mental conditions. your health is private information. so, you know there is no one fix to the problem. our state here has a very strong sense of personal property rights and the rights to bear arms. different communities and segments of the community have issues. we all have the same -- >> what about the right to public safety? what about the right to being able to sit in a movie theater or go into a church basement or feel comfortable and safe in places where one -- >> there is no denying that. >> so how do you balance the two? >> i don't know. that is going to be a conversation that is going to go on for quite a while. that is a hot political debate. here, you know, i'm more concerned with my constituents and the health of the community and the struggles that we are going to have. with not feeling safe. you know guns -- guns mental health. people kill other people whether it's gun, knives cars. all kinds of things. there has to be something to do but i don't know what the situation, the solution is. >> counselman, thank you for your time. >> thank you for your kind words. i know the local community appreciates the exposure that you give us. unfortunately we'd rather have a little more positive exposure for the things that we do. and now we're on center stage for things that are not very nice. and bad things happen to good people, that's unfortunate. >> it it is. it seems like it happens so o often these days in the country. i want to bring in clinton van zandt now. again, this is a conversation that you and i have had ad nauseum on television. the intersection between guns and mental health. at this point what do we know about the shooters' mental health history? >> craig, you know you have been right on top of this story. and as you know this is somebody who number one he's a college graduate. number two, he's a law school graduate. number three, he has at least a ten year history of mental health issues domestic violence issues. this is a guy who ran for public office and who had to withdraw because he was stealing his opponent's signs from the lawn. well that sounds kind of juvenile. well so are the issues of him trashing a house that he was involved in the purchase of a sale of. his wife felt he was so threatening that she took the guns out of the house. and you know you were talking to your last guest about guns. and that is a major issue. 315 million americans. 300 million guns. but while this case took place yesterday in broken arrow, oklahoma. a 16 and 18-year-old teenager used knives to stap their parents and three siblings to death. these are ongoing mental health issues and it doesn't negate that we need to do something about firearms. but craig, as you know it is so darn easy to get your hand on a gun. you buy it you steal it you borrow it. you find it. because we've got guns unfortunately that lay around and aren't locked up. we've got to deal with human behavior. we've got to teach kids from five years old on up that violence is not an acceptable form of conflict resolution. and we got to deal with these mental health issues. craig, this guy's family the mental health community, law enforcement, his friends, public officials and the media. they all had a piece of this guy. people described him as erratic, troubled depressed. a drinking problem. so everybody saw the issue but nobody in the family community, society took it on themselves to deal with this guy. >> clinton van zandt, i always appreciate your ib sight sir. thank you. >> thank you craig. >> we will be back in just a few minutes from here in lafayette, louisiana. right now back up to new york city where aimeamon is standing by. >> we'll have much more on the louisiana shooting in in the next hour. but after the break, big 2016 news that could be a game changer. will the justice department launch an investigation go into hillary's personal e-mail information at the justice department to determine if personal information was mishandled. auty can be yours with a down payment and 10% financing. oh larry, lawrence. thanks to the tools and help at experian.com, i know i have a 798 fico score. 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what should we be doing collectively as a society that we're not doing right now? >> oh geez so many things. but first and foremost extensive background checks that are universal that no matter who is selling the gun you have to go through a background check. right now online at just one online seller there are over 70,000 guns for sale. and just about 60% or more are without a background check. they are individual private sales. so that needs to be dealt with. our mental illness. i hate the fact that we're using mental illness as an excuse over and over again. it is unfair to those mentally ill. most mentally ill are not violent and function well in society. and i don't like that they are being being. >> targeted. >> yes. targeted. literally sometimes. yes. and it is unfair to them. this man is a former felon. they knew he had issues. he should not have had access to guns. i know the counsel was talking about hipaa laws but the fact of the matter is any therapist, psychologist, psychiatrist can report their patients to nix and ask they please not have access to guns. so we're not doing a good job as the nation on our nix system. we need to probably tweak our hipaa laws and becertainly needwe certainly need universal background checks. >> this is deja vu. it is the same thing. >> let me play devils advocate for a second here. what about those who would say, if you have 300 million guns on the streets, in houses -- which is what we have in this country. if you have 300 million weapon literally one for every person in america, how reasonable is it to expect that we can honestly stop someone whose hell bent and perhaps even sick? how reasonable is it to expect that we're going to be able to stop all of those would be terrorists? >> actually that is a fairly easy question. most of the guns in america are only owned by a very few millions of people. they are not -- you know you said a gun for every person in america. but actually most americans do not own guns. it is only this one part of the population. and then you are dealing with 2% of that population who are rabid gun owners. and hopefully responsible gun owners. but those are the ones that are making sure that you and i are paying the ultimate price. and that is not to say that they are murderous by any means of the imagination. but they are the ones that are fighting and vocal. and we have to outyell them. and this is our opportunity do just that. >> another easy answer for that also. 300 million guns in the country now. certainly more guns is not the answer. if we had better laws to prevent felons and domestic abusers and mentally ill people from getting their hands on those gun, that would solve a lot of problems and go a long ways to stopping the mass murders that we're having now. almost one a week. >> one a day. >> well according to the washington post today they just come out too. four mass murders in 2004 days since newtown. >> no since the first of this year. >> since the first of the year. i'm sorry. so it is escalating at the rapid rate. >> lonnie, sandy phillips, thank you so much. >> thank you for having us. we appreciate it. >> we will have much much more from here in lafayette, louisiana. we'll also have more news from new york city as well right after this. cause the photos look amazing? 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>> we'll we're certainly pleased about the correction but this was really an unfortunate incident that never should have happened and i feel bad for the "new york times." i know both of the reporters that work on the story. they are both professionals but to be candid i think they got taken for a ride here by partisan sources on the house p benghazi commit that have made a habit of leaking information in tempt to make hillary clinton look bad. we've gotten far afield from the jurisdiction of the work of this committee and work was supposed to be wrapped up months ago and now they are telegraphing it will extend well into 2016 which clearly an effort to stain the campaign. and it's tragically sad. >> i want to put on the screen a statement from the letter from the inspector general. we noted that none of the e-mails we reviewed had classified. but some included classified information and should have been handled as classified. appropriately marked and transmitted via a secure network. and a spokesman had this to say. the four e-mails were classified when they were sent and are classified now. >> what is your response to this letter from the inspector general saying there were at least four e-mails sent that contained classified information and more importantly that should have been transmitted through a secure network. >> well a couple points. one is the inspect general's office has indicated that there were no marks at the time. so i don't think that anything they are saying today is contending that hillary clinton knew there was anything that could have been considered classified material that was transmitted on her server. secondly there is disagreement about whether this information would have been properly classified at the time. the state department which has ban co-equal partner in reviewing the materials has come to a different conclusion. hillary clinton is the secretary of state and the agency where she worked is saying as recently as today they respectfully disagree and don't think the materials would have been classified at the time. so the fact of the matter is 55,000 pages of documents that are being worked through that is an army of government lawyers from the intelligence committee. there is bound to be instances where after the fact lawyers come forward and think they would rather redact something and make it public but in every instance so far it's been identified as something after the fact and we've taken appropriate steps to safeguard that material. but again there is a reasonable disagreement there. we believe hillary clinton handled all the materials properly. >> and we've obviously been getting a lot of political reaction from the gop on this. i want your reaction. how much does this rev up you believe republicans call for secretary clinton to hand over the server. senator boehner. she could prove it by immediately turn over her server to the authorities and allowing them to examine the complete record. is that something we can expect? >> she has handed over 55,000 pages o worth of materials. it is an unprecedented step for a secretary of state. no one wants those materials to be released more quickly than she does. we have a prolonged schedule here because of the sheer volume of review in into this. but she has called for them to be release as can quickly as possible. and once they are people will have a window into her work. but i think the statements you have seen today from speaker boehner have deliberately mischaracterized the nature of the referral made here and we believe it was partisan sources in the first place that helped mislead the times into reporting this story that they have since had to correct which has just been an unfortunate episode. >> press secretary of hill deliberate's clint's campaign. thank you. >> let's bring in the panel. i get to finally turn the tables on you and ask you questions. >> i'm a little scared. >> it is not going to be as hard the questions you asked me. let me start by asking you about this. did the clinton campaign get some traction today, you know, their claims they face a publish first, ask questions later type of campaign and media scrutiny against them? >> any time you face a story that is this tough and potentially explosive. especially in the context of a presidential campaign t strategy always for press secretaries for campaigns is to find something they can get either a retraction or correction on to cast doubt on the story. so that's pretty classic strategy. no matter what side of the aisle you are on. i do think that, you know that is a substantial correction that was made. and there have been other small revisions that were made to the story. so that is -- that is substantive in that matter. that said i don't know that it necessarily erases the fundamental problems with how these e-mails were handled and the questions that surround it. i think it gets them through the new cycle but i think the story is going to keep going. you don't kill the story with this one correction. >> and this raises questions about the relationship between the campaign and the media, possibly even an adversarial relationship. they responded i think about 3:11 when the story first broke. what does that tell us? >> well only 15 months to go until election day. but it is interesting. we're sitting here at 4:30 in the afternoon. and this particular story looks and feels different right now than it did when we all first woke up this morning and read it. in two key ways. one, as you say it was initially portrayed as the criminal probe that was taking place. it is not. that is what we found out today. also the head line originally made it sound like there was something directed at hillary clinton herself. hillary clinton was being investigated. she was under the microscope. that was changed to something more passive. so in that sense you look told this does not look as severe as this morning. but what this is really about whenever we're talking about hillary clinton and the e-mails. it is the question we've been talking ant with the clintons since bill clinton first ran for president in 1992. the question of trust. and the idea of are they hiding something? she didn't turn over the server. e they set it up in the e-mail. selective review and that part is never going to go away. >> we're once again talking about this. how much does this trigger the narrative of the clintons as scandal prone and untrustworthy. >> that is the narrative that is always there. from the clinton standpoint i guess the saving grace for them when you look you say there is poisonous poll numbers for hillary when you get to the question of trust. that was also the question of bill clinton. it didn't stop him from winning. this country would never elect someone the majority of americans say they didn't trust. well the country did it. and twice. >> and one of the fundamental arguments in favor of a clinton presidential campaign is her experience and competence, especially in regards to foreign policy and international affairs. she has much more experience than any of the people on the republican side. i think that what you are going to see is a lot of republicans raising the question of, you know, whatever was -- whether these things were classified before or after, there was a common sense argument from the very beginning that it was not wise to use a private server and private e-mails for such a large amount of state department business. and i think that is an argument that probably a lot of typical voters who may not dive into the particulars of this are going to say, yeah that is a little bit weird. and i think you are going to see republicans push that a lot. >> and we're going to have to wait and see if the actual servers ever get handed over. thanks again for joining us. real pleasure. you can catch steve on tomorrow morning's shoef up with steve kornacci. and back to lafayette, louisiana where we're learning more about the gunmen who killed two and injured nine others at a movie theater last night. so you're a small business expert from at&t? 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>> thank you. and it is a pleasure to be here and talk about these issues that are very important. not only to this community but to our nation. some of the loopholes in the gun laws are you can buy face to face with a person at a gun show. you can buy on the streets from an individual. where those persons are purchasing the guns there is that way in the world that the law enforcement and atf and all the requirements where a person goes to a gun shop and fill out the form. how do we prevent making a face to face purchase with an individual without any notification of the atf, which is a requirement by federal law and what is also a requirement by most states. >> we should note though at that this point we don't know whether he acquired the gun legally or illegal. >> we do not know whether or not he acquired it legally or illegally. the reports we're getting in our briefing is this guy had a mental case. he was denied a gun purchase in another state. the circumstances behind that is not known. >> criminal domestic violence complaint. >> should have been a national broadcast. so i suggest he didn't go into a gun store and purchase it the way normal citizens purchase their guns. he got it either off the street or at a gun show where there weren't any requirements. >> this state, as you know for a long time has been a somewhat proud of its fairly lax gun laws. would that be a fair characterization. >> i don't want to call it lax gub laws. >> -- >> liberal. >> especially compared to some other states. >> we have some of the most liberal gun laws in the country. because of hunting and those type of initiatives are a way of life. it is a part of the culture. hunting, we hunt ducks. we hunt rabbits. we hunt deer. it is a way of life for people that come up. especially in the rural areas. those are not the people that are causing this type of incident. it is the people that are going out there that have a mental problem. people who are trying to cause harm. people who have an agenda that is contrary to what government is. we hear this debate from a group of people that government is wrong. they were talking about military exercises in texas, whether or not we were going to evade. people in this country go to a presidential visit with a gun something is wrong. and we got to have a real debate. and any time in this discussion that we put gun rights in front of human rights we're on a slippery slope. >> representative terry landry. thank you sir. thank you for your time. >> i want to bring in colin goddard now. and again, colin, unfortunately i see too much of you on television as well. because typically we talk to you when things like this happen. survived the virginia tech shooting back in 2007. shot four times. in the wake of that became an advocate and now as the senior policy advocate for every town for gun safety. colin thanks for being with me. i want to pick one the representative just left off. we have this conversation in the wake of every mass shooting it seems like. is there any reason to think that this time it is going to be any different than it has been in times past? >> i'll say this again. you know we have become the country where when someone says did you hear about the shooting in a movie theater, we have to say with which one. did you hear about the shooting in the school? which one. or the kid who found a gown in his closet and killed his friend. we have a say which one. americans are fed up with this activity happening over and over again. and. >> colin -- >> and looping in the same conversation over and over again. >> i want to interrupt you. a you say that americans are fed up. if americans were really that fed up wouldn't we have universal background checks? if people were really that fed up about what happened here what happened in charleston what happened in aurora, what's happened on countless occasions. don't you think that lawmakers by now would feel as if they had to do something? obligated to co-something? are people really that fed up? >> people are absolutely fed up. even recently since sandy hook we've had states improve their background check laws. or became the 18th state to require background check on all handgun sells. you cannot show me a poll where the american poll does not support the idea of doing a background check before you sell. but you are right there is a gap between that american support and what elected officials do in congress particularly here in washington d.c. and it is nothing but -- it is a shame. it is not right how our democracy is functioning on this issue. too many people here in washington d.c. are afraid of the gun lobbyists and are afraid if they vote for background checks they will lose their next election. and changing that narrative and mind set takes time. we need major election cycles to happen where people who vote for background checks win and others lose. and that is something that takes time. and it is going to happen when you see 2014 this coming november and in the years ahead. now we're seeing an equal playing field. every town for gun safety going toe to toe with the nra. and fundraising and doing the same basic work that the nra has done for years. and we're seeing progress on the state level and we'll take that to washington d.c. >> kol p goddard, thank you for your time as always, sir. have a good weekend. >> thank you. >> more from lafayette louisiana in a little bit. right now back to aim in in new york. >> has donald trump reached his peak? 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[ laughter ] that is the question i'm going to start with both of you. have we reached the peak? >> i don't think so. that is the hope. the dream. but this has been a very good week for him. and i was surprised by going to the border and doubling down on immigration. i think going towards mccain was not a very smart move for him. but this is a sad part of the democracy is that most people aren't participant in the democracy. we're spectators. and we watch people who try to via for leadership. so if you are going to be a spectator right now there is nothing more compelling than this. it is not the most grown up moment of politics but it is hard to imagine this won't play out at least in the first debate. >> so are his 15 minutes up? are we going to see closer to the debates a filtering down process? >> i could see the debate possibly being his actual peak which is in a couple of weeks. the thing about donald trump is he is effectively a political troll. he is saying things to get a reaction. and in a lot of ways the summer the july august months are a perfect time for a candidate like that to get traction. because there is a little bit less news a lot of the time. and we tend to want more entertainment, more fluffy and substantial news. i think that once the debate happens, people get back from their summer vacations, they actually start paying attention to this thing as the real campaign, not just a side show. i think you will probably see his support start to erode. i don't think that what a lot of republicans have a hoped for and a lot of people have predicted that there would be a crash and burn moment for trump. a lot of people said that after the mccain thing. i don't think he's going to have one moment where he says something and everyone is just going to be oh i can't vote for him. the insanity and the rhetoric is baked into his persona. i think it will steadily erode. >> how much does his past identification with the democratic party t fact that he's donated money. hillary clinton said she had received money from him. and the fact that he himself said he identified as the democrat in the past or on those issues. >> that might be appealing to independent minded voters who find him appealing because his doesn't obey the part line politics. he's demagoguing a particular segment of the republican primary electorate which is very hostile to immigration. so that grouping if he -- even today he was talking about or recently talking about, you know some of the these people deserve to be here for merit. those are moments where he's pivoting to a rationality that could really upset that particular set of voters. so i do think it is going to be interesting as he keeps talking and you will see a slightly bipartisan incoherent logic to him, it is going to be interesting. and the other thing for party. he keeps accusing people of misquoting him. because hess going after illegals. he can hate on illegals and than latinos love me. there is this way in which he wants the hate and he wants the bill to pivot to latino voters and that doesn't work and won't woerk. >> he's going back to iowa this weekend. chuck todd said earlier we may be underestimating trump a little bit. has he demonstrated more dexterity than what we give him credit for? >> here is a nice thing i will say about donald trump. he has demonstrated an ability to work harder at this than i think a lot of of people expected. when i wrote about him last year. i spent some time with him and wreet profile. i wrote they would wait until he was actually in front of sweaty crowds in iowa and really campaigning before i took him seriously. he's kind of doing that now. he's out there and doing the hard work of campaigning. i don't know that that necessarily means he'll end up winning any primaries but he's certainly shown he's going to be around as long as he wants to. >> thank you very much. and we're going to do have more after the break. ♪ ♪ hp instant ink saves you up to 50% on ink ...so you can print all you want and never run out. plans start at $2.99 a month. ♪ ♪ did you leave behind something reliable? something that felt like... home? and now you can't connect the way you used to... because you switched wireless carriers and can't get a reliable connection anymore. it's okay. we're still here for you and we'll be happy to have you back on a reliable network. come home to verizon and get 10 gigs for $80 a month plus $15 per line. only at verizon. ♪ building aircraft, the likes of which the world has never seen. this is what we do. ♪ that's the value of performance. northrop grumman. bring us your aching and sleep deprived. bring us those who want to feel well rested. aleve pm. the only one to combine a sleep aid... plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. be a morning person again, with aleve pm. you total your brand new car. nobody's hurt,but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do, drive three-quarters of a car? 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