Mike knows what that means. Hes an old man. Yeah. I dont know what that means. Dwindling twilight, the fading heat waves, the finale of the night of. The summer is almost over, sports fans. After more than a week of outreach to black voters after mostly white audiences, the Team Announced he will give a speech to the christian tv channel Impact Network and will also speak that day at an africanamerican church in detroit, his first appearance before a miniainly black audien. But this comes against a bunch of other contrasting pieces of evidence and some problems for donald trump when it comes to race relations. On saturday, the New York Times published a piece on a 1973 case against trump and his father fred in which the Justice Department investigated and ultimately sued trump management for discriminating against black applicants for housing. Exhibit b, the second piece of evidence, comes from trump himself on saturday. This very trumpian tweet after dwyane wades cousin was shot. Quote, dwyane wades cousin was just shot and killed walking her baby in chicago. Just what i have been saying. Africanamericans will vote trump, exclamation points and all caps, of course. Today im joined by the legendary, nobody says legendary here, mike barnicle. Mike, given Donald Trumps history, given everything thats happened in the course of this campaign, given that tweet, given all the rest of it, trump is now going to talk to africanamerican voters. Does he have any chance in your view of doing respectably well for a republican in 2016 among africanamerican voters . Could he possibly get to mitt romney levels of black vote support . No, he cant get there, because of his lack of familiarity among africanamerican voters in this country. The things they are familiar with donald trump over, his appearances on tv, celebrity apprentice, stuff like that. Thats one thing. The things they are also familiar with donald trump if they do take the time to become familiar with him do not work to his favor. The fact that hes been talking about getting the black vote and appealing to africanamericans in this country while standing before groups that look like the Admissions Committee for augusta national, that is one thing. The other thing is his tweets can be misread by people. We, when trump went out before largely white audiences and talked about black voters, sometimes in condescending ways, people in our business said you got, first thing you got to do is go talk to actual black audiences. Lets give him credit. He is actually going to talk to africanamericans. Good for him. The bigger problem it seems to me, the main thing most africanamericans know about donald trump is that he spent the early part of the Obama Administration attacking barack obama as not an american, as an illegitimate president , which i think for most, certainly of the africanamericans i know and i bet for many many many of them across the country, has put donald trump out of reach, put them out of reach as votes for donald trump forever because they regard that as a racist attack and rightly so. Lets single out that donald trump originated, he wasnt the only one, but he pursued it with a vehemence that was cruel and stupid. He was the poster boy for birtherism. The Trump Campaign has a new nickname for Hillary Clinton. Hidin hillary. For nine days, trumps team has been sending daily emails to the press highlighting the running count of days since clintons last press conference while posing new questions to clintons team. Today, the 268th day the trump email included a question from Lieutenant GeneralMichael Flynn about the Clinton Foundation. Clintons team in brooklyn has responded to calls for more press access by saying shes given more than 300 interviews resulting in about 2600 questions from the press in 2016. While were on the topic of the clintons and the press, yesterday, Jim Rutenburg of the New York Times wrote about her tendency to travel on a many separate from the jet that carries her press corps. Notably since the 60s, the press has traveled on the candidates planes. Before we get to that, there has been some disagreement on whether press conferences are a thing of the past in this digital age. Do you think they still matter . I do. Look i agree. Theres a ton of people who say, look, the only reason you care about this is because you are in the press. The press will preen in front of the camera, et cetera. Some of those things are true. There is some element of that. We have grandstanding reporters in our midst all the time. One of them sitting here right now. Where . Im sorry, right behind you, there. The reality is, the people who know her Campaign Best are the people who cover it on a difficultt daytoday basis. To put her in a situation where she has to address those people with some regularity and where she dont have controls or constraints over the interview is different than doing a oneonone interview where time is constrained and other constraints are placed on interviews. Its a freeflowing thing where shes questioned by people who know her best. She should do them. Both candidates should do them regularly always as president s should. Oddly enough, i agree with you. Almost completely. I think the principle reason is this. That if you are sitting at home tonight watching this program and you have a son or daughter 15, 16, 17 years of age, you want to know from the potential president of the United States, odds on Hillary Clinton, what are you going to do about syria, about aleppo, about the introduction of the United States military forces in and around the globe, about these hot button situations. You want to know that because you want to know whats going to happen. Its the case, the logical extension of that is even though shes done all these interviews she hasnt been asked those questions very often. Theres a better chance she will get those questions if in fact she meets the press. All right. Sunday night, donald trump called on clinton to release her Health Records tweeting quote, i think both candidates, crooked hillary and myself, should release detailed medical records. I have no problem doing so, exclamation point. Hillary, question mark. The Clinton Campaign responded by saying clinton has already released more medical information than Donald Trumps campaign and that his only documentation of health has been an adjectiveaddled letter from his personal physician. The Clinton Campaign questioned the credibility of the doctor who wrote his famous clean bill of health. Take a listen to how that doctor described to nbc on friday how he wrote that letter, a process that took him all of five minutes. I thought about it all day and at the end, i get rushed and i get anxious when i get rushed so i tried to get four or five lines down as fast as possible. In the rush i think some of those words didnt come out exactly the way they were meant. His health is excellent. He thinks hes the best which works out just fine. Theres a lot of arguments about transparency going on here in the campaign. On this question of health, trumps apparently trying to go on offense against clinton. Clintons fighting back. Whos got the upper hand in that argument . Are you kidding me . We just saw Willie Nelson posing as a doctor. Thats like Willie Nelson plus the dude. I have to tell you, i do my own grocery shopping. I meet a lot of ordinary people during the course of it. This campaign is scary enough without pondering about further health statements. We ought to have health statements from both candidates. We ought to know their physical health. Their mental health, thats another thing thats on exhibit every single day. So far, boy, i dont know. Donalds losing. I really find it baffling that trump has decided to try to make this issue for a couple reasons. One is that Hillary Clinton could turn around and basically say you know, imappy to release my Health Records if you are willing to release your taxes which is another issue we agree on. Its rridiculous, insane and totally outrageous trump hasnt yet released his tax returns as every other major candidate has for years going back. Its true what dlithe Clinton Campaign says. She has released more Health Information than he has. This is ridiculous, this gastroenterologist who is standing as trumpsprete pretending to be his internist. He will be, apparently, the healthiest man to enter office ever, including men 30 years younger. I also agree with your instinct that turnout is oddson to be low. It has become kind of this back and forth has become ludicrous even for late summer. Even for this period. The idea we are having this discussion is kind of crazy. What do you think of that doctor . Would you let that guy treat you . Hes been my personal physician for many many years now. Look at me. Im the picture of health. The greatest health ever. Today, Hillary Clintons longtime aide huma abedin announced shes separating from Anthony Weiner after the New York Post published another one of weiners graphic exchanges on twitter. They have been married for six years. Normally the disillusion of a marriage wouldnt warrant our attention on this show but today, donald trump made it political by applauding abedin in a statement, then calling into question clintons judgment for ever allowing weiner quote, such close proximity to highly classified information, unquote. John, trump is trying to work this into the news and into his favor. Does this have any political significance whatsoever . No. I agree. It has no political significance whatsoever. The disillusion of a marriage is a sad thing. In terms of whether this is going to matter to anybody out there in america who is deciding who the next president should be, it doesnt matter, it shouldnt matter and this is really all we probably should say about that on the show right now. I agree. Move on. Coming up, everything Colin Kaepernick related. Stay tuned. This network of portals will shorten the distance packages have to travel, and save jet shoppers money. Unbelievable work where does that one go . 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Heres what kaepernick said on sunday about his sitting protest on the treatment of africanamericans when the press asked if this election season had played any part in the timing. It wasnt a timing thing. It wasnt something that was planned. But i think the two president ial candidates that we currently have also represent the issue that we have in this country right now. Want to expound on that . I mean, you have hillary, who has called black teens or black kids super predators. You have donald trump who is openly racist. I mean, we have a president ial candidate who has deleted emails and done things illegally and is a president ial candidate. That doesnt make sense to me. Because if that was any other person, you would be in prison. So what is this country really standing for . It is a country thats elected a black man president twice, colin. Can you see people saying why the outrage when a country has elected a black president . It has elected a black president but there are also things, a lot of things that havent changed. Our friend and Bloomberg Politics contributor will leach has a column calling kaepernicks protest a quote, Pivotal Moment for the nfl and writes quote, there will be many players who will not appreciate the position kaepernick put them in even if they agree with him because they forced him off the sidelines. You cant dance between the raindrops forever. Will is here with us now from atlanta. The great wi leach. Will, Pivotal Moment, just go into more detail about your argument here. Well, we have had moments in recent history where you have seen lebron james and dwyane wade talk about, they wore hoodies to support the family of Trayvon Martin but its always been, i say in the piece its always been with an approving nike swish, never anything too controversial. Its not something the people that pay them would be so upset about to do. This is different. It is one thing to wear a hoodie in support of Trayvon Martin, another thing not to stand up for the flag, particularly in the nfl when the military actually gives money to nfl teams to promote them on the field. So what this did was, you know, you didnt have to go to every major black athlete after lebron james wears an i cant breathe teeshirt during practice and say hey, what is your stance on that. This is a story that seems like its crossed over a little bit. Its one thing, lot of people might not know all the details of the i cant breathe shirt. They know what it means not to stand for the flag. I think you are going to start seeing major black athletes all asked about this. You will see cam newton asked about this. You are really going to see Russell Wilson asked about this. You are going to see a ton of these guys asked the questions that they have been able to kind of avoid in the past. Well, will, you are absolutely right in one respect. I think largely its going to be a Pivotal Moment because the nfl is our religion on sundays in this country and the nfl has just an enormous hold on an American Public that does nothing else on sunday other than watch pro Football Games that are filled with flyovers and the flag. Kaepernick has a perfect right and thats what the flag is all about, for him to make that statement. But listening to him, listening to that sound bite, i just wish he had come to a full stop after he said timing had nothing to do with it rather than get into the country at large. Im just wondering, he has taken an enormous risk with his career, with whats left of his career, in saying this, dont you think . Well, certainly hes struggling. He was in the super bowl, three or four years ago. He was really considered one of the next hot prospects in the game. He really struggled the last few years. I think its led some people to make these weird discussions like oh, well hes just trying to keep relevant as if yeah, the best way to remain relevant in the nfl is to have Strong Political beliefs. Thats a great way to be employed forever. I think yeah, i think its put him in a difficult situation. Remember, he actually had not stood for the anthem during any of the preseason games this year. It wasnt until he was asked about it and said oh, this is why, but if you had been following him on twitter, this was not a surprise that he would do Something Like this. He very clearly had very Strong Political statements and strong beliefs about this. I think he may have backed into this a little bit and i agree with you, kind of watching the interview, theres some messaging he probably needs to work on a little bit. I dont think theres any question this is something he is willing to take headon. Yeah, there is certainly pressure but again, this is different than the kind of sports speech we usually hear. I think that actually speaks to more whether you agree with him or not, the courage of him to even do it. You think theres a split between how other players are going to feel about this and do feel about it and how the front offices feel about it and how the coaching staffs feel about it . Yeah. Mike freeman, an excellent football reporter for bleacher report, he immediately started calling sources afterwards, said across the board, the vast, vast majority of players were like good for kap, were very happy for him, good job. And zilcho on the executives and the coaches. They wanted nothing to do with it. I think theres part of the nfl culture thats inherently conservative but i think its actually more that players are just not supposed to call trouble, distraction is the big word everyone loves to toss around when it comes to the nfl. The idea that now not only are all of these high profile black athletes going to be asked about this, other 49ers players will be asked about this, the coach will be asked about this. All of these kind of executives. This is the last thing they want to deal with because they just want to be total focused on football. Thats why they dont want to hear about this. This causes a headache for their team. But players, a lot of them, whether or not they agree with kaepernick, a lot of them probably dont but i think they like the idea an athlete is standing for something and saying something in a league where thats often very discouraged. All right. Thanks for coming on, will. Always a pleasure to have you. Coming up, Donald TrumpsCampaign ManagerKellyanne Conway right here in the studio, live and in person. Stay tuned. Uous improvement. Uous improvement. 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Then he talked about the close proximity that he may have had to National Security information that could be highly classified and that it may have compromised our National Security. Let me ask you this question. Stuart stevens, fellow republican consultant, obviously someone who has not been very much in favor of Donald Trumps candidacy tweeted on the basis of this that trump had given over 100,000 to dlithe Clinton Foundation and gave the maximum amount to weiners congressional campaigns and questions the judgment. He seemed to have like the Clinton Foundation plenty and seemed to have liked Anthony Weiner. Whose judgment are more flawed . Are you really going to question Donald Trumps judgment today as opposed to Anthony Weiner not Anthony Weiner. No, no, since you want to go there. Hes questioning Hillary Clintons judgment. Im questioning his judgment. Not Anthony Weiners judgment. He gave 100,000 to the Clinton Foundation which does do some good work for many people around the globe, a. B, hes a new york businessman who has stated very many times that hes contributed to members of congress and other members of the delegation. That doesnt mean he ever wanted anything from Anthony Weiner. That doesnt mean Anthony Weiner is any less of a scoundrel for taking a picture of himself in a compromising position with his child next to him on the same bed. In any event, i dont think theres a comparison about questioning the judgment. Stuart stevens, all he does is attack us all day long. He met with the independent candidate, its reported, evan mcmullin. I dont know why stuart cant just support the republican nominee when so man of us supported mitt romney, gave money, volunteered our time, went on tv and supported his candidacy. Thats fine. Thats his right to not support us. Please dont say hes a republican consultant who just doesnt like Donald Trumps campaign. He is constantly attacking us. I hear from democratic friends all the time who say im with her but i appreciate the fact you are there and your candidate is doing his best to make a difference on his terms. But you know, we are constantly spat at and shot at by a lot of people who are quote, unquote, republicans. At the risk of running this topic into the ground which i will proceed to take that risk now, the statement injected a truly sad, pathetic, sick aspect of a domestic relationship, a man and a wife and a child and the guy is really screwed up. Didnt that give you pause for injecting that into president ial Political Campaign . Did you see the pictures . You know what Anthony Weiner has done that we are actually making donald trump the issue here . This man is a serial sexter who embarrasses his wife routinely. I dont get involved in other peoples relationships but let me tell you something. I looked at the New York Post today and i was nothing short of appalled. I have small children. Who does this . The idea we are going to divert attention away from this issue because of the National Security line. Okay. Well then, look, james comey said she was careless and negligent, used the same words about her handling of her emails. Donald trump now is saying, you know, maybe he said it may have compromised our National Security. Look, Hillary Clinton had one of her worst weeks in the Campaign Last week. We are having our best two weeks, headed into our third best week, tenstate ad buy today with an economic buy that talks about our economic agenda. I understand why people who support Hillary Clinton want to talk about Something Else but we feel really good about taking our case to the voters. We feel really great about the new polls showing us tightening in all the swing states, particularly michigan, pennsylvania, ohio, the Emerson College poll today shows us within the margin of error in each. We are up by 17 points according to Emerson College over Hillary Clinton among independents in ohio. If we are that awful, if we are going to lo, if everybody was quoting the polls three weeks ago, its over, you cant recover, now we are tightening. Lets have a conversation about the polls. Everybody wanted to talk the polls three weeks ago when we were down. Nobody wants to talk about the polls. I have to tell you the last thing i want to talk about is Anthony Weiner because i find his conduct to be disgusting. Mike . We will be right back after this. Thats why a cutting Edge University counts on centurylink to keep their global campus connected. And why a Pro Football Team chose us to deliver fiberenabled broadband to more than 65,000 fans. And why a leading car brand counts on us to keep their Dealer Network streamlined and nimble. Businesses count on communication, and communication counts on centurylink. Ssoon, shell be bingestudying. Now she writes mostly in emoji. 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You guys are finally on the air after a long time not being on the air. Yet we were talking before about the weiner matter and some other things that seem to kind of, you guys kind of want to seem to get in your own way in some respects. Want to ask about Donald Trumps questions about Hillary Clinton, why hes calling her to release more Health Records given the relative transparency on each side. Why raise that issue when, a, hes been less transparent than her and b, this is the issue that you guys want to actually be talking about . We can walk, chew gum and juggle all at the same time at the Trump Campaign. I dont think we get in our way. If people want to cover the ad fairly, they will cover the ad especially as you point out those so critical we had run no ads, Hillary Clinton and her super pac spent gazillions of dollars and look at the polls. What has it really gotten them . We are very happy that this ad will be actually we added a tenth state today, michigan, to the ad buy and we are happy it will be running so we can make our case to middle class voters, all voters about middle class tax relief package. Actually, you can compare the two economic plans. I think that you will find very few issues where they are more at odds, Hillary Clinton and donald trump, with the way they would rebuild the american economy. We will talk about energy investments, infrastructure and things that affect every day people. In terms of Health Records hes saying great, more transparency, lets put them all out there. Hes challenging her to do the same. Why not. What are the records he would put out under the circumstances . I dont know. You would have to ask him. Im not intimately familiar with his medical records, nor should i be. But hes willing to do that. In other words, hes willing to, he has said hes willing to put out his medical records and she can do the same. If she doesnt want to, i know shes in hiding most of the time when shes not giving speeches about him and websites or raising money with her hollywood friends, so one of these times when she comes out of hiding or somebody could send it over to you in the media, if she would like, why not put it out there. I think america have a right to know. What are the odds he will also put out his tax returns along with his Health Records . Just one day, here they are. Heres everything. So he has said and his lawyers and accountants have said to me that he shouldnt do that right now while hes under audit. I defer to them as i defer to his doctor and mrs. Clintons doctor to put out her Health Records as they see fit. Have you seen trumps doctor . We showed him i have seen pictures of him. I never met him. But in any event, i think mr. Trump would probably say to you, mike, that ill put out my taxes after the audit, if we can see her 33,000 missing emails. Hes going to detroit on wednesday. Saturday. Saturday. Phoenix on wednesday. Okay. Immigration on wednesday. Yes. Correct . Yes. How is he going to well, tell us how he intends to clear up the confusion over what exactly is his immigration plan and the 11 million or so people here in this country illegally . How is he going to do that . You have to watch the speech on wednesday. You cant tease us . It will be in there. I could tease you and say there are many tenets to his plan. I think they are incredibly important for everyone to remember. Build the wall, which has been the signature of his campaign since day one. Thats there. No amnesty, no legalization, no sanctuary cities. No amnesty. No amnesty. No sanctuary cities. Sanctuary cities have become a very important Inflection Point in this campaign. In just this last week, hes stood on stages with agnes, julie, laura, michelle, angel moms whose children were murdered by illegal immigrants. They are the faces of our campaign. He will also talk about those who have committed a crime leaving immediately, enforcing the law and then he will talk about the 11 million as he said on a Different Network last week, it could be 30 million, could be two million, we dont know. But look, we dont know what actually happens when you enforce the law because nobody does in washington. They just make new laws. Why cant anybody in the campaign answer the question whether hes still in favor of a deportation force. I answered that many times. He hasnt talked about that in a very long time. Is he in favor or against it . He has not talked about that in a very long time. You have to wait until wednesday. You understand you are not answering the question when you shapes n say he is not asked about it. The reason you dont have robby mook on this show is because they dont talk about issues. They talk about us. Isnt it a disgrace the same campaign that refuses to give you the respect and due you deserve as journalists wont hold a press conference, wont give speeches about issues . Give us the credit we deserve that we actually go into the ring and do that, albeit by ourselves. By the way, her plan on immigration is incredibly coherent. Its scary as heck because she has total open borders, catch and release, sanctuary cities continue, amnesty. Its really a very radical plan. Shes been critical of president obama. She thinks that he is actually not done enough. I know, i just want to ask you this question. You guys both talk about each other. You talk about them, they talk about you. Its not as though we talk about issues, too. They just dont bother. Donald trump has recently called Hillary Clinton a bigot. What does the word mean . You know what the word means. I do know what it means. Yesterday he was called a psycho path by david plouffe. This man is called more names before the sun comes up in the morning. Hes the president ial candidate. He called her a bigot. What does he mean when he calls her that . Hes very clear that the effect of her policies have kept people down who deserve the same opportunities that the rest of us have. Thats not what a bigot means. The dictionary definition. What does it mean for tim kaine, so beneath him, i know he wants to be the Vice President to add to his government resume but what in the world does he mean by saying interesting question but not my question. My question is what does donald trump mean when he calls Hillary Clinton a bigot . He explains it. He does not in fact explain it at all. Its somebody who discriminates against a group of people. So hes claiming that Hillary Clinton is discriminatory human, right . Thats what hes saying. Hes saying he hates certain races, she discriminates against certain groups in america . What he said and he said days before that is the policies are bigoted, that they hurt people and that you cant argue with the facts. Everybody wants this campaign to only be about tone and temperament. Its also about facts and figures. The facts do not help her at all on this question. But on every network where you appear, he has called everything in the book before the sun rises every morning, then he says one thing one time, basically the day before she gives an entire speech on the topic, and everybodys hair is on fire. I think the voters can see through that. One last quick question about facts and figures. You raised it talking about angel mothers who you say are the face of your campaign. In the immigration speech, will donald trump put facts and figures to the number of americans who have actually been killed by people in this country here are here illegally . He may. He certainly will have the facts and figures that attend to this very complex issue. Look, this is what president s and leaders do. They talk about issues, they put out plans long before they are elected so people can at least go ahead and look at them and say i either like your plan or i dont. And it would be nice to have a twoway coersation with Hillary Clinton before we get to the president ial debates. Dont you think voters deserve to have a full and fair discussion on important issues that they tell pollsters including the bloomberg poll and msnbc poll and nbc polls that matter most to them before we get to three 90minute debates . Are we really waiting for the debates to find out what secretary clinton thinks on some of these issues . We are doing it now. Wednesday. You mentioned the debates. There was a story in the Washington Post about the way the two candidates are going about their debate preparations. Who is going to play Hillary Clinton in your debate prep . No one, probably. No one . No ones been decided right now. Will you do mock debates like the traditional debate prep sty style . Perhaps. You are talking about, everybody for 15 months now has wanted the most unconventional candidate to work conventionally. Im just asking the question. How are you going to do debate prep and who will play Hillary Clinton . No one has been chosen to play Hillary Clinton. The Laura Ingraham report was wrong . Im very happy she will give us any type of advice and counsel based on her very busy life. Is roger ailes part of it . Playing Hillary Clinton . That would be unconventional. No. Look, mr. Trump is preparing for the debates in many different ways. The best way he prepares for debates is two things. The way he prepared for the debates in the primaries where he took center stage from the very beginning, the first fox news debate on august 6, 2015 and never left the center. Never left the number one position which is telling you something. Number two, he prepares for these debates by giving his policy speeches. We would expect that thats whats going to be asked in the debates. Are you not going to ask do you think it will rain tomorrow. They will say whats your vision, whats next for obamacare, the Affordable Care act, how would you destroy isis and terrorism. Thats the way he prepares. I have to say, i think the Clinton Campaign is taking a risk by keeping her in so much hiding because you get good at doing something by practicing it and doing it regularly. Kellyanne conway, if you had not become Campaign Manager, you would have made an excellent standin for Hillary Clinton. You think im tough enough . You would have been fantastic at that. Thank you for coming on the show. K you could still do it. Coming up, Jim Rutenburg of the New York Times. Americans are buying more and more of everything online. And so many businesses rely on the United States poal service to get it there. 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We were talking earlier whether its a thing of the past digitally or whatever, wouldnt you love to hear someone stand up and ask Hillary Clinton or donald trump, but Hillary Clinton, what are we going to do about aleppo and syria . We have had our Foreign Policy, we have Foreign Policy reporter has been wanting to ask her those questions for this whole campaign. We are now in almost september and we havent had this kind of policy issue. This is what this election should really be about. You have been out of the actual reporting business for quite a long time. Thank you for noting. But you have so have you, actually. But you preside over a bunch of reporters. What i hear all the time is like all your reporters are obsessed, why do we care about press conferences, why do they matter, why is that different in some categorical way from doing interviews . Its a danger to talk too much about are we on the plane or not. The real question is the one jim got to, which is, is she being forced to address tough questions or not. I think there is a risk of focusing too much on the proxy which is the press conference and not talking about the important thing which is the question, which is what the press is rightly concerned about. Its not about us setting ourselves above the candidates. Its about making sure we played the role we traditionally played of trying to hold them accountable to the american people. That is our role in this process is to ask some questions they might be uncomfortable addressing otherwise and they might not even have an interest in talking to each other about, as you were pointing out in the last segment. Right now its name calling. Do you think the plan actually matters . I do think it matters. I have been looking back through the old clips, and what you see is when you are on the plane, you are getting a question in here or there. Policy is kind of being talked about and by the way, its really robbing history because those moments on the plane do Say Something about the people involved. What it takes part of the campaign. Thats sorely lacking this year. I have been on those plas before you were born, probably, and what matters is the distribution of information, as you just said, but also the candidate gets to know members of the press corps in a function other than a standing press conference. And you alluded to it in your piece today. Part of the issue might be, not might be, it is, that the Clinton Campaign clearly has made a decision that because we are so disliked, the media, that they can make the conscious decision not to have the press conference as good political strategy. I question even the political strategy there because its humanizing when you see them in more intimate moments. To james point, its not all about that. But its part of the process, who are these people who want to run the country. One of the things that you hear from people, again, there have been a lot of arguments made by people who work for Hillary Clinton and people who are just supporters of hers, is this is a trivial issue, the question of press conferences, when you set it against the question of donald trump and his taxes, for instance. Its of course my view you can want both. This is a false choice, false binary between the two, but what do you say to people who say you must do more, meaning you, the New York Times, us, the press collectively, we must do more to somehow force Greater Transparency on donald trump. Whats the answer to that . I just think we have an obligation to explore the way these candidates see the world in the greatest depth possible. They are competing to take on the most important job probably in the world and there are a number of issues they are going to have to grapple with that go beyond the question of whether or not one candidate is a bigot when they are actually in office. What to do about syria is a great example. What to do about Affordable Housing in this country. What to do about the state of our infrastructure. How do they really think about the tax system. We are still in an age where citizen journalists have many more tools than they ever had. We still play really important function in drawing out with some depth, nuance and complexity how they actually think about those questions and if they think about them at all. So this is a lot of highflying talk over here from this guy. Sorry. All of which i agree with. I think that she should do press conferences. I think trump should release his taxes. Again, im just playing devils advocate with all of you. A lot of democratic partisans will say you know, all she can do if she gives a press conference, she wont get questions like that. She will get 120 questions about her email, she will get a bunch of questions about the foundation, all you guys are going to do is harp on the same story over and over again. You wont ask about aleppo or some of the things james is talking about. How do you answer that . I have two answers for that. One is okay, then i want to hear you say the same thing when its your opponent up there, and two, you cant argue for less access. You can as a partisan but journalistically its a nonstarter. I think you might be surprised if the press conference she decided to held was held in a place like pittsburgh with local reporters mixd in with National Reporters and she might be asked, tell us please, secretary clinton, what impact you think nafta had on this area in terms of income inequality. I want to hear the answer to that as a voter, as a citizen. I would want to hear the answer to that. I think she would be asked questions like that. How you enjoying running that editorial page . Its great. Great privilege. Its a Crazy Campaign to be doing it. It is a Crazy Campaign. Again, part of the challenge to us is also to write about issues we think people should be thinking about that maybe arent. We are in this funny campaign where the candidates themselves arent necessarily having that conversation. I think we can play a role. We are honored to have both of guys here. You are both souch smarter than we are. Coming up, Penn Gillette. He performs a special magic trick. He will make heilemann disappear. A special magic trick for donald trump after this. burke at farmers, weve seen almost everything, so we know how to cover almost anything. Even mermutts. 1940s aqua music burke and we covered it, february third, twentysixteen. Talk to farmers. We know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two. We are farmers. Bumpadum, bumbumbumbum 80 try to eat healthy, yet up to 90 fall short in getting key nutrients from food alone. Lets do more. Add one a day mens gummies. 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Did two tours of duty on celebrity apprentice. I spent some time around trump. I know the way he works. You raised a ton of money and a lot of people will be very happy with the job youve done. I just created off the top of my head a donald trump card trick to illustrate how hes running his campaign. This perfectly ordinary deck of cards, you will see they are indeed all different. Say the campaign is a card trick, okay . Say the American Public have been asked by trump to pick a card. He fans the cards out like so and acts like the selection of the card doesnt really matter. Its an old magicians trick, the selection of the card always matters. You have to be a certain kind of nonchalant. Say they pick this card right here. Say they pick the jack of hearts and trump doesnt know that. They then take the card, put it back into the deck. Thats how the campaign starts. Dont forget its the jack of hearts. Its somewhere in the middle of the deck. He then gives the cards a shuffle while hes talking. The pattern does not matter. You can say absolutely anything that pops into your head. Say i got a perfectly ordinary deck of cards here and mexicans are rapists. Then you shuffle a little bit more and say i still have a perfectly ordinary deck of cards here and no muslims into our country. The First Amendment is essentially obliterated. Another little shuffle, puts in a little more misdirection. Shoot somebody and i wouldnt lose any blood coming out of her Lee Harvey Oswald i dont remember. Saying stuff like soldiers who died in battle probably maybe she wasnt allowed to have anything to say. You tell me. When election time comes, after all this misdirection, all this shuffling, all the handling of the cards, he then has a card on top and handling it like this he produces the card and says is this your card and its the 6 of hearts, not the jack of hearts because hes an idiot. He would never get it right. 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