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dr. kolodny, look, you're part of this group, physicians for responsible opioid, but that's been the problem, right? i mean, many doctors made us addicts. >> yeah. and, you know, i heard earlier you asked the ohio senators, why does ohio have an especially severe problem? i think one of the best answers to the question about why some geographic areas have been hit harder than others boils down to exactly what you're asking about -- prescription opioids. we have good data that tells us that the opioid crisis is most severe in the regions of the country where opioids were prescribed most aggressively, like -- >> direct line. you believe there's a direct research line. >> oh, there's no question about it. and to really make sense of what's happening right now with fentanyl, it's important to understand that we, roughly speaking, have three groups of opioid-addicted americans. we have an older, non-white group, mostly black men, who became addicted to heroin many years ago and were longtime heroin users