Each of these with their own fees and procurement, design process and structure. To make significant changes of the sort we need, the challenges of these sectors need to be addressed using the very best of systems thinking. In recognition that I’m not an expert on the detail, my colleague Ken Allison is here to help in the discussion. But, I do know that we are not keeping pace with the acceleration of climate change. I hope we can discover what the barriers are to our shared objectives, and you can tell me what we might say to Government about how to collectively overcome them.