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>> is there room for a third party candidate in 2024? after, all polls have consistently shown most americans do not want a donald trump versus joe biden rematch. now, a nonprofit political group known as no label says it is determined to give voters potentially another option, especially if the country is in store for that 2020 rematch. the democrats and anti trumpers say that a third party could just end up playing spoiler in all of this by siphoning votes from president biden in swing states and, therefore, handing the election to donald trump. joining us now is a longtime associate of no labels, former michigan republican congressman, fred upton. i know you told me not to call you congressman. let's talk about this group, no labels. as the wall street journal is, riding its latest report says, it's called no labels, many political strategist have their own label, spoiler.