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i keep a picture of robert in my wallet. >> this photo appears, a little bit weathered, which would make sense if he was carrying it around for decades. but according to the new york times, it was actually just printed last year by city hall employees, who were directed to ill coffee on it, to ge it that older look. now, the mayor's office is calling this report a false attack, saying in part, to be clear, mor adams made a photocopy of a photograph of officer venabl that was printed in an nypd transit news bulletins from november, 1987. which mayor adams still has possessions of to this day, and which the times saw. now with us now is meredith benson, she is the niece of robert venable, and she joins me now. meredith, thank you for being here. you told the new york -- you told the new york times, initially, that you would be disappointed if that story about the photo in his wallet were true. i wonder, do you still feel that way? >> to me, it's really not about the photo.