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prosecutions of january 6th rioters, even some sentenced today by judges in this court. so it really was a moment full circle having donald trump there in court as a criminal defendant now to see his name announced, to see the case announced u.s. v. trump. >> thank you very much. and let's get straight to where kaitlan is talking about this row, elliot. this row of judges. and talking about how highly unusual it is. you got the chief judge and you've got judges ruling in other cases. what -- what do you read into that? >> i have never seen that and i have been an attorney 20 plus years. i have also never seen a former president of the united states indicted on four federal crimes, including conspiring to obstruct official proceedings, so on. i think it might have been the significance of the moment more than anything else. the judges are -- look, courtrooms are open to the public, and that includes to