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ten years ago and she n a way, is struggling to catch up with where the republican base is today and i think he's going to try to hold her feet to the fire on those issues. >> it will be interesting to see because i am curious for you to talk, i'm curious what you think about the fact that they probably are going to go after each other because the frontrunner is not there. what do you think they need to communicate to the audience tonight? >> well, first of all, great to be with you, sara. i will come find you after this segment to say hello again. the most important thing that we have to realize is that donald trump is doing counter programming strategically, right. he is the make character, and he wants to keep it that way. that's why he's been able to avoid being part of these debates, and his rivals aren't helping when they show that they are afraid to go after him. right. they're so concerned about still courting his voters and making sure that they don't offend those voters, that they haven't gone after him in the way that is necessary to really distinguish themselves.