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right now she is doing better among independents, but i don't know if she'll ever get to a point to make that argument. >> well, she's got -- remember, as the poll shows, a big portion of her support is democrats who plan to caucus tomorrow, and independents. and i think that goes to this, erin, your question about intensity and enthusiasm. because if you're a democrat, 40 below? not so sure i'm going risk anything. john's point too about older voters. here is what is really important to keep an eye tomorrow, and that is the evangelical vote. what we've seen, two things. evangelical vote critical to republican victory in november. those voters, as we know have said, they see donald trump as the person who is fighting for them. every time he gets attacked, that's who -- jeff and i talked about this, and unfortunately, his support hardens. but we're starting to see a little bit of a split in iowa with evangelical supporters who are supporting desantis. and he has the support of a very significant evangelical leader. so do we see a split in the evangelical vote? that's obviously something nikki haley hasn't been following, but it will matter again in south carolina, and it will matter again in the super tuesday states. >> and margaret, it is amaze