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defendants, so this will be palpable and this will come through to that jury and the more humanity that the defense can spread into that jury box and better chance. there will be a hung jury or an acquittal with that in mind it's rare a defense attorney would recommend a defendant take the stand, but to talk about the humanity of it. do you think it could be a good strategy to bring hunter biden? so it's it's always kate a game time decision. >> you see how the case is playing out. you get the nation during tenor of what's around you. i'm always reluctant to have a defendant testify at brings up a pandora's box. your case can be going very well with regard to reasonable doubt with respect to the form and its authenticity or lack thereof, with regard to the jury buying the notion that he wasn't addicted at the time, he was really struggling and trying to overcome. and so what opens up a big problem in the event he testifies? and let's not forget case. kate, that we are in delaware and you have a largely african american jury. i think those are facts does that in nor to the defendant, mr. biden's benefit? >> that's great to see joe.