something in the order of $30 billion bill, credits, incentive, helping small businesses. does that look and sound like a robust jobs package that could help african-americans? >> it does sound like that. >> it does. the first -- >> go ahead. >> no, mark, go ahead. >> first, let me say, you know, i don't have a problem getting things from the government. we are citizens of this nation. and somehow african-american people can develop a philosophy where they have to choose between doing for self and getting what they're entitled to as citizens of a democratic government. we should do ourselves but we t. government owes us something, we pay taxes and we need that. the bill, we need tax incentives for businesses to encourage them to hire is t. most vulnerable people, many are black and latino. we need to extend benefits and keep unemployment benefits extended. we need to create opportunities to produce new jobs and new ideas. we need to create the infrastructure for the next big idea. we saw the dotcom boom. we need the next big idea. >> right. angela, let me have you weigh in