if jesus christ came back tomorrow surrounded by angels and said barack obama is a citizen, they would say it is the antichrist. >> what do you think is behind -- what do you think is behind the belief? what is the motivation? >> you know, there are some people who just can't fathom some things in life. life has dealt them a raw turn or something. so they come one elaborate conspiracy theories. we see this. this is one of those cases. >> what are the odds of lieutenant colonel lakin actually getting anywhere with his defense? >> remember the old elvis costello song, less than zero? i would say that's what his choices are in this whole enterprise. >> it is sad. this is a guy who has given 18 years of service. apparently served honorably. a doctor. and then seems to be parsing out his career for this. there are principle stands you can take. >> in your interview you kept saying what an honorable man he is. these people are bigots,