i think it probably given everything that's happened it makes some sense. i think if i were him i would be very aloof. it would be perhaps a criminal corporation, and i would treat them that way. i wouldn't -- i would let them know who is in charge. i would demand answers to any number of questions from the access of our journalists to the constant underestimating what this is. and i would -- i would -- if i was him, i'd be decidedly aloof and cool, if you will. >> what about your strategy advice for the president, ed? >> james and i seldom disagree, and obviously this is his turf. but i would be very, very serious. they talk about the president dropping by this meeting. this is not a drop-by meeting. i would make it very clear that what they've done to this point is totally unacceptable and it