office of the judge advocate general? >> senator hatch, i appreciate that reasonable people can disagree about this issue u. but i do think that the military at all times, regardless whether it was -- whether the office of career services was sponsoring or the veterans association was sponsoring, had excellent access to our students. and over many years prior to my deanship, the veterans association had sponsored the department of defense had thought that that sponsorship was fully adequate to their needs. >> donna, how are you seeing this play out? because it continues to come up, it continues to get questioned. is this one thing that one bit of controversy, if you will? and they can pit this as a democratic nominee, of a democratic president being anti military? >> well, i think that is what the frame is. but clearly, and jeffrey