that reasonable people can disagree about this issue. but i do think that the military at all times, regardless whether it was whether the office of career services was sponsoring or the veterans association was sponsoring, had excellent access to our students. and over many years prior to my deanship, the veterans association had sponsored the department of defense had thought that that sponsorship was fully adequate to their needs. >> and, gloria, hold on for me one second. they're talking about this live right now, the same issue. >> the restriction that we put on was that the office of career services couldn't provide assistance. >> which is the place where most students met employers? >> no. it's just an office, really. 95% of interviews from employers at harvard law school -- >> here's the point. it's clearly not just an office. it was a political statement that you were making, i think -- maybe i'm wrong.