>> larry: distant second. >> right. in some ways, that helps you keep some balance, you know, about how important whatever pain you're going through now is. it really does give you some perspective on it. doesn't mean it hurts less. but it does -- you know, you say if i had to choose between one of these, what would i choose, this is a no brainer. >> larry: we're honoring the name thing and i understand it. is it that you have difficulty with it? >> no, what it is, this is my story, and if people want to talk about that part of the story, they're not talking about the book. if you were talking about the book and -- >> larry: the book is about "resilience." >> the book is about what i went through. when wade died or when the cancer came or when the cancer came back or when i found out that my marriage was not, you know, all i believed and hoped that it was. what did i do. not what did anybody else do, but what did i do. and so if somebody wants to talk about that, they're clearly -- it's more sensational kind of