but memo to you guys, they're already here. you don't have to fight them over there. they're here. the times square bomber. he was an accountant who lived in -- >> larry: you think something else big is going to happen? >> i'm just saying they're already here and they're incited to violence. >> larry: are you giving up? how do you defeat terrorism? >> you don't ever defeat it. that's part of the problems that we couch it in terms of it's a war. we think a war has an end. it doesn't have an end any more than a police problem has an end. murder doesn't ever end. robbery doesn't ever end. you just contain it and fight it as best you can. >> larry: there's no victory day. >> once, you know, you listen to what these terrorists who have tried to attack us said, they're pissed off that we're in afghanistan, that we're in iraq, that israel -- it's american foreign policy. we've let -- i mean, to make an analogy to the oil, which is the only thing i can ever think of these days, the terrorist genie is out of the bottle. the oil is gushing already. now the problem is how do we stop it from getting to the