to demonize and undermine the courts. we need to stand up for that. >> miss gallagher, this is probably going to go to the supreme court. given the conservative nature of the court right now, are you confident that they would not -- that they will uphold proposition 8? >> i'm optimistic. this isn't the first federal judge to strike down a marriage amendment. it happened in nebraska in 2005. the 8th circuit immediately rejected the idea that there's a right to gay marriage in our constitution, which doesn't exist. and we think the reason -- you know, this case was pushed by two straight guys with big egos. you just heard from them. against the wishes of the gay legal establishment. i think they fear what we anticipate, that there are not five votes to import into our federal constitution the idea that to make a marriage you need a husband and wife is somehow bigotry akin to -- >> mr. wolfson, do you agree with that? the supreme court may not uphold? t.? >> well, we're going to have to see what the supreme court does, and there are many twists ahead. one of the things we can do to help the supreme court get there is to have the abundant evidence