he was able to hijack media and much of the media surrounding the ninth anniversary of 9/11 by going from 50 congregants to0 being on the cover of 50 newspapers simply by threatening to burn the koran. it's a good example and cautionary tale of theay extremists are able to game the system and hijack the media with deeply disproportionate, unrepresentative statements and that kind of ugliness too often occupies our attention. we need to push back on that. >> hey, john, i have to run, real enjoying this conversation. you had very, vry smart points here. what do we do, besides going to earsch and every person's door try to explain to them about waysamb exactly is, what do we do in this situation, then? >> i think we need to recognize that we are that -- there's a wider war between frdom and fundamentalism around the world and each of us has an obligation as americans to try to bege the chan we want to see and stand up to extremism wherever and whenever we see it up if