voting for that time. not really sure this time around. it's hard, you know, to buy in with what the president is trying to sell right now. you voted for that hope and change, but i need you to vote again to allow me to fulfill that hope and change you voted for. that right now is what we're finding is not resonating. >> t.j., we keep saying how people are disappointed and let down by the president. this was a big constituency for the president, first-time votes, kids who were interested in changing the world in terms of energy use and gay rights. is there some sense that -- that people who were obama supporters back then, students, are not today? or are they just not that interested in voting? >> okay. they're a little jaded, yes. there's just -- we know already naturally, ali, most americans don't get as engaged in midterms, and certainly not young people getting engaged as well. a lot of them, they hit that lever back in 2008 and they went about their business, quite