which is a radical free speech on the internet. i would argue maybe it's the only value the internet actually has. >> you say you admire them. how far does that go? cyber war is the new frontier. china could shut down our grid. where do you draw the line of what's permissible? >> i wouldn't equate this with wiber war. >> why not. >> >> i don't know that they broke any laws, right? >> all they did was show up. >> all they did was show up. all they did was request the website. a lot of people requested the website at once. >> if china were to do that and try to overwhelm our internet structure -- >> we should be shut down. >> you're talking about a sovereign state going after another infrastructure. >> a nonsovereign, 10,000 people who are anarchists -- >> this was a brief attack that actually disabled a few systems for very short period of time. it's very analogous to a sit-in. >> the defense of people like a pay pal or a visa or master card is kind of like the defense that the major telecommunications