improved. >> the perception. they're not selling the message right, and it's the truth. sell the good stuff. >> larry: well said. how's you and brolin work, huh? >> it's been 14 years. >> what's the -- >> how long have you been married? >> larry: 13. >> so we're more than you. >> larry: what's the secret? >> he does his thing in one room and i do mine in another. i don't know. you know, opposites attract. >> larry: they're definitely opposite, right? >> i think so. yeah. >> larry: he's more laid back than you. >> yeah. oh, yeah. much more laid back than me. >> larry: brolin has taken off. >> isn't that great? i just saw him in "true grit" and he was wonderful in that. he's wonderful in everything he does.