done a lot of things differently. >> area a bit oblique in saying people he surrounded himself with. who in particular captures the sort of status quo perspective that strayed from the sort of transformative agenda he laid out? >> i think in the sense that work wasn't done to negotiate -- i mean, first of all, the bailout is viewed by many people, washington, functionaries, it's been viewed as a success. that they spent $750 billion and they've gotten most of it back. >> right. >> the money still ended up in the wrong play. the money was paid back. it lined the pockets very wealthy people. i think at a time when people are being asked to raise their taxes and cut spending and schools and roads and infrastructure. i think if you didn't do a better pr job of selling that bailout, geithner should have been fired. >> all right, i made my point clear about tim way back. i don't think he should have been there in the first place.