across these networks are able to bring exostential threats across these networks. will we defeat every terrorist, every terrorist effort throughout history? no, of course not. terrorism has been a tactic going all the way back into human history. but we can certainly defeat that network of extremists most clearly al qaeda. >> that's interesting, you see. i would have said if you declare war on al qaeda, that would have been a winnable war. eventually you could have dismantled that organization hopefully in a way that you could declare victory. >> well, it was a little broader than alt qaeda, though, and that was the point. those who use terror as a political weapon against the existence of a set of values and, therefore, embodied, for instance, in a country like the united states, had to be