of 30. they're very outward looking people. they want to be part of the world. they're not as isolated as saddam hussein's iraq was. what we know in iraq is that the sanctions were failing. yes, i think you use difference tactics, different tools and different places, but the thing to remember about saddam hussein is this is someone who was under a cease-fire agreement, was systematically violating it, had violated dozens -- >> we're going to come to that next. when i return, i'm going to ask dr. rice if she still stands by this statement about saddam hussein. >> we know he is acquiring weapons of mass destruction, he has extreme animus against the united states. my name is rachel robinson. i am a banker with quicken loans. this is kathy, who i helped do her first home loan, and this is her sister tina, who i also helped do her first home loan. it was unbelievable how well it all fell together. kathy said, "well, let me give you rachel's number."