i'm good to people because it's the way i want to be treated. and i don't believe i'll be reward rewarded in heaven. >> what do you think will happen to you? >> i'm being rewarded now. >> when you die, what happens? >> people who liked me will remember me. >> are you a spiritual person? >> well, not in that sense, but i get a funny feeling when i see a friend or a mountain or an animal. it fills me with joy. my first love is science and nature, but it's explainable. and just because i don't think i'm going to go to heaven, i don't think my life's worth this. >> i do believe. i was brought up a catholic and remain so. >> sure. >> but, you know, i think everyone's entitled to their own beliefs, whatever they may be. >> absolutely. >> the problem for atheists, it must be so doom and gloom. when you get to like 70, 80, to think, that's it. >> of course.